Pakistan has a Problem | Quwa Group - My Counter Thoughts

[Vapour]

In an active situation, where all your eyes and ears are fully awake, should AD even come into it - isn't it a failure of our intelligence (in all its forms) to be able to locate and relay targets for us to neutralise before they even launch?

 

[Developereo]

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A big a portion is their own fault, they were too busy doing COIN in Iraq, Afghanistan, parts of Africa, bombing backwards insurgents and then calling their weapons "battle tested"

To be fair, we haven't seen American weapons tested against Chinese weapons in anger. But we saw European v/s Chinese and the Europeans were left in the dust. Not just once, but over and over again.

The only success India had was with BrahMos but that's because defence against such missiles can never be 100% effective. Even Israel, with its multilayered, world class defence tech, was unable to stop all incoming missiles

 

[iblini]

What's even more impressive is the speed with which Chinese tech is advancing. Even as last as ten years ago, Europe was ahead of China in military tech but China has already closed the gap and on track to leave them in the dust.

The only competition now for China is America.

There is need, there is wills and we have less bureaucratic issues thus resoures can be better utilized, which EU lacks, although each EU nation has her own speciality in different area but they are scattered, lacks of will after the collapsed of Soviet.

 

[iblini]

lol, Is it painful? China's "garbage" has left a serious trauma on Indians. Even now, Indians are still howling continuously at J10 and PL15 in various corners of the online world. The shock wave generated by this is far greater than that of your Brahmos. Do you know why? Because behind the India Pakistan conflict is the conflict of Eastern and Western technology. Your Brahmos only dares to hide and shoot from a distance of 200 kilometers in such favorable terrain environment in Pakistan, and the entire airspace map shows this. This is the shame bestowed upon India by PL15. We have shattered your myth of gusts. India wants to be the Israel of South Asia, but in the end, it becomes the Houthis of South Asia. This is a dual humiliation of psychology and reality towards you. Your Modi knows one thing, Pakistan's counterattack has begun, and if the conflict continues, with your crippled air force, they cannot achieve a decisive victory. This is an important reason why India asked Trump to mediate. Through this test, China knows how rubbish India is hahaha.Do you know why the dog media controlled by BJP dare not howl loudly at China after the India Pakistan conflict? Because if you confront us, you will really be finished hahaha. Your fate will be stick humiliation. In fact, hand to hand combat is the most respectable place for you to lose, once weapons are fired. Go back to 1962 and create a new New Delhi.
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The missile we produced ten years ago can create a 200 kilometer fighter jet restricted zone in India,

It's one of the component not the whole missile but anyway, better igored this kind of pure indian troll, they don't worth our times.

 

[Toxic]

To be fair, we haven't seen American weapons tested against Chinese weapons in anger. But we saw European v/s Chinese and the Europeans were left in the dust. Not just once, but over and over again.

The only success India had was with BrahMos but that's because defence against such missiles can never be 100% effective. Even Israel, with its multilayered, world class defence tech, was unable to stop all incoming missiles

I would say American and Chinese weapons are on par but man Europeans are grifters when it comes to arms sales, like for example how could Dassault have known spectra could stop the PL-15 when they weren't used against it until recently? The Answer is they didn't, it was snakeoil they were selling along with some nice bribes

 

[guangdongt]

It's one of the component not the whole missile but anyway, better igored this kind of pure indian troll, they don't worth our times.

Yes, but it's interesting to see Indians so angry and frustrated. They usually come to Pakistan forums to promote their psychological advantages. Such hysterical attacks on Chinese weapons in the Pakistan forum. This is the first time, it's ridiculous。Speaking of which, due to potential missile export control regulations. Our sales of offensive weapons are influenced by Western forces behind India. Although Ukraine has lifted the reality of attacks on the Russian interior. In South Asia, this is still a default balance between the East and the West. In this conflict, India has returned to where it should have been.

 

[Lulldapull]

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A big a portion is their own fault, they were too busy doing COIN in Iraq, Afghanistan, parts of Africa, bombing backwards insurgents and then calling their weapons "battle tested"

Bilkul!........Iraani's have punk'd em time n again along wid their AL-Yahuday/ Sawdi / GCC toady.

How many times now?

Good ghaaddh how many times punk'd em all no?

 

[iblini]

Yes, but it's interesting to see Indians so angry and frustrated. They usually come to Pakistan forums to promote their psychological advantages. Such hysterical attacks on Chinese weapons in the Pakistan forum. This is the first time, it's ridiculous。Speaking of which, due to potential missile export control regulations. Our sales of offensive weapons are influenced by Western forces behind India. Although Ukraine has lifted the reality of attacks on the Russian interior. In South Asia, this is still a default balance between the East and the West. In this conflict, India has returned to where it should have been.

Their airforce rep in the drain around the world, no matter how hard they tried on the internet..so let them be.

 

[codeforfood]

Despite victories one needs a critical view and always look for improvements. Pakistan needs a solid answer to BrahMos. Next time India dares to launch BrahMos, Pakistan needs to have an immediate answer.

Best answer is not wait for them continually shoot at you and then after a while you respond. Response should be response in kind. Think of two boxers in a ring one thinks that he can Block all of his opponents shot without attacking. Would or Could it ever work when the opponent has no fear of counter punch. That attack with arsenal is the best defense and deterrent.

 

[MS Sandhu]

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so naturally, we shot this episode before the HQ-19 announcement- but the ukrainians belive a ABM system would probably do a better job at intercepting P800's than other sams in their inventory.

Ukraine’s Latest Missile Problem – How to Shoot Down Russia’s ‘Onyx’

Russia has taken to using Onyx supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles against southern coastal cities, highlighting the shortage of air defense systems capable of taking them on.

www.kyivpost.com

quite interesting, but also quite sad we didnt learn from their exp

It's strange
How an ABM is going to work against such a low flying threat?
I'm unable to understand

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

yes, its this sort of critical introspection is what is needed to prevent this from happening again, but instead we'd rather pretend things are ok and let this all reoccur.

what is the relation of these new offers from china that is J-35, KJ-500 and HQ-19 with respect to brahmos and drone swarm? I Think KJ-500 and HQ-19 radars are for detecting, locating and oberving brahmos and drones path? what is your take on the detection side of these radars with respect to these threats?

 

[Lulldapull]

It's strange
How an ABM is going to work against such a low flying threat?
I'm unable to understand

Your SHORADS supposed to be responsible for dat task no?

What do we got proven in dat category?

yous got dis?


You gots dis?



Yous got dis:



or dis:

Nahi hae na?





Bhai aap ko kya bolain ab?

 

[Lulldapull]

You got all dis Muhammad Saanddhu Singh?

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

You don't need the heavy heat resistant airframe that of barhamos, you don't need hardened guidance to with withstand mach 3 pressure, For pak things are quite simple and straight forward, I was being conservative with 100-150. Initially Babur had quad MLV which later was redesigned, initially it was seen has potent precision strike platform, all that info is available on net.
That's the basis of my argument, we did not had Jeff's In numbers back than. We needed a long hitting stick and it was Babur.
Another reason for it's volume deployment in conventional role is it's MLV which can three of them, something not even available for Shaheen 1. The MLV is the biggest reason I think we have deployed Babur in volume. pak had a regiment of baburs in service in 2008, you access the current numbers yourself.

Babur has added a deadly dimension to the battlefield

In operational terms, cruise missiles are better suited than ballistic missiles for use with conventional warheads as their accuracy is far better.

forceindia.net

Give it a read, it's worth it.

The why didnt we used them? atleast in bunyanum marsoos? I mean whats the reason in your opinion? why they held it back?

Someone please ban these indian paajeets cow urine drunker

Request to all other please do not respond to these indian bots. ignore them completely

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Countermeasures are too resource intensive and expensive. Pakistan doesn’t have the time or luxury.

Two things...
What is being protected and Who is being protected. Not everyone or everything is replaceable.... some never.

That being said it is not feasible nor conducive to match bullet for bullet... keeping parity or overwhelming the opponent especially a much larger one. Taking out platforms, warehouses and guarding against those missed is a worthwhile proposition.