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People don't understand that Anti ballistic missile success doesn't mean only destroying incoming missile every time during interception. It can also deviate missile so missile don't fall where it supposed to be. That also a successful AD.

Missile has to fall somewhere on ground. A camera far away cannot predict if it's fail or successful intercept.
 
F1 CEP is already Down to 15m, as per GIDS. Either the number of missiles available to us were the problem or we excerised too much restraint, Cities like Mumbai Gao Chennai, Delhi, Kolkata should been hit. They attached all of our major urban centers we should have done the same, I definitely know they are some S1,2&3 for conventional purposes why were they not used?
That remains to be answered.
Options to hit India are not problem but the will to is.
For now India has smelled blood, they can launch missiles wit impunity against are urban centers and we will only targeted bases in north just the bases, India with drones terrorised pakistani cities, why didn't?.
The response no way established any deterrence for now India knows from where to hit and how bleed PAF. Hope GHQ doesn't makes a mistake and pays heed to what happened next volley begin with missiles no Indian aircraft will strike pak that's for sure.
15m CEP is still high enough to miss the ttargets. A faster F1 with a CEP of under 5m would have damaged Indian airbase had enough of these reached their targets.

Lets imagine a survivability ratio from Indian air defence of only 25%.. launch 18/20 in one go and this should be higher.. even with a figure of 25%, 4 to 5 F1 out of 18 to 20 would be enough to cause considerable damage to any infrastructure. Make 3 airbases redundant and the dynamics swing in your favour.

Consider the same for F2/3 which brings whole of Himachal pradesh, Punjab, Haryana, Delhi, Rajasthan and Gujrat under their range. why fire a ballistic or cruise missile at these places when it can be done cheaply.
If things get out of hand then we can move to ballistic and cruise missiles and target any place in India including Mumbai, Bangalore etc.
so whereas ai would take your word of 15m I honestly believe Fatah series need to evolve fast. Efforts should be made to make all or the maximum components of the system in-house and produce them in number. When needed, shoot and scoot.
 
It seems like the Fatah 2 warhead does actually separate if you watch this test footage. Not sure what's up with the SMASH missile...

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You need to have all options at your disposal.
Agree, Pakistan needs to utilise/coordinate all services to have the desired impact on the enemy and it's forces.

To maximise the impact of any military operation against enemy forces, Pakistan must fully utilise all branches of its armed forces in a coordinated and integrated manner. Here's how that works and why it's essential:

Full-Spectrum Military Coordination for Maximum Impact

1. Army (Ground Forces)

- Role: Engage in direct combat, secure territory, and hold strategic positions.
- Impact: Ground dominance is essential for controlling key areas and pushing back enemy forces.

2. Air Force

- Role: Provide air superiority, conduct precision strikes, and support ground troops.
- Impact: Disrupts enemy logistics, destroys high-value targets, and protects friendly forces from aerial threats.

3. Navy
- Role: Secure maritime borders, launch sea-based missile strikes, and support amphibious operations.
- Impact: Prevents enemy reinforcements or supplies via sea and enables coastal offensives.

4. Intelligence Services (e.g., ISI)

- Role: Gather actionable intelligence, monitor enemy movements, and support targeting.
- Impact: Enhances precision, reduces collateral damage, and increases operational success.

5. Cyber and Electronic Warfare Units

- Role: Disrupt enemy communications, radar, and command systems.
- Impact: Creates confusion and delays in enemy response, giving Pakistan a tactical edge.

Why Full Utilisation Matters

- Synergy: Each branch complements the others — airstrikes soften targets, ground forces capture them, and naval forces secure flanks.

- Speed and Surprise: Coordinated attacks overwhelm the enemy before they can respond effectively.

- Sustainability: Joint operations allow for better resource management and long-term operational endurance.

How the Pakistan military conducts coordinated attacks.

1. Strategic Planning

Before any operation, military leadership conducts strategic planning. This involves:
- Identifying objectives (e.g. neutralising a threat, securing territory)
- Assessing enemy capabilities
- Allocating resources (troops, aircraft, naval units, etc.)
- Establishing timelines and phases of the operation

This planning is typically done at the Joint Staff Headquarters (JS HQ), which oversees coordination between the Army, Navy, and Air Force.

2. Intelligence Gathering

Intelligence is gathered through:
- Reconnaissance missions
- Satellite imagery
- Signals intelligence (SIGINT)
- Human intelligence (HUMINT)

This information helps commanders understand enemy positions, movements, and weaknesses.

3. Joint Operations Coordination

Pakistan’s military uses a joint command structure to synchronise efforts across all branches:
- Army: Ground forces execute direct assaults, secure areas, and hold positions.
- Air Force: Provides air cover, conducts airstrikes, and supports troop movements.
- Navy: Engages in maritime operations, especially in coastal or amphibious missions.

They use secure communication systems and real-time data sharing to stay coordinated.

4. Execution of the Attack

Once everything is in place:
- Airstrikes or artillery may begin the assault to weaken enemy defences.
- Ground troops move in to capture or clear the area.
- Special forces may be deployed for high-value targets or sabotage missions.
- Naval units may block enemy reinforcements or supply lines if near coastal areas.

5. Post-Operation Review

After the mission:
- A debriefing is conducted to assess success and identify lessons learned.
- Casualty reports, equipment status, and mission outcomes are documented.
- Adjustments are made for future operations.

Pakistan needs to ensure that all the tri-services work effectively to achieve their goals. In addition, all political services do their job professionally and be 2 steps ahead of the enemy country (Give directions, continue to Lobby/influence other Governments, be effective in Information Warfare etc.).
 
Agree, Pakistan needs to utilise/coordinate all services to have the desired impact on the enemy and it's forces.

To maximise the impact of any military operation against enemy forces, Pakistan must fully utilise all branches of its armed forces in a coordinated and integrated manner. Here's how that works and why it's essential:

Full-Spectrum Military Coordination for Maximum Impact

1. Army (Ground Forces)

- Role: Engage in direct combat, secure territory, and hold strategic positions.
- Impact: Ground dominance is essential for controlling key areas and pushing back enemy forces.

2. Air Force

- Role: Provide air superiority, conduct precision strikes, and support ground troops.
- Impact: Disrupts enemy logistics, destroys high-value targets, and protects friendly forces from aerial threats.

3. Navy
- Role: Secure maritime borders, launch sea-based missile strikes, and support amphibious operations.
- Impact: Prevents enemy reinforcements or supplies via sea and enables coastal offensives.

4. Intelligence Services (e.g., ISI)

- Role: Gather actionable intelligence, monitor enemy movements, and support targeting.
- Impact: Enhances precision, reduces collateral damage, and increases operational success.

5. Cyber and Electronic Warfare Units

- Role: Disrupt enemy communications, radar, and command systems.
- Impact: Creates confusion and delays in enemy response, giving Pakistan a tactical edge.

Why Full Utilisation Matters

- Synergy: Each branch complements the others — airstrikes soften targets, ground forces capture them, and naval forces secure flanks.

- Speed and Surprise: Coordinated attacks overwhelm the enemy before they can respond effectively.

- Sustainability: Joint operations allow for better resource management and long-term operational endurance.

How the Pakistan military conducts coordinated attacks.

1. Strategic Planning

Before any operation, military leadership conducts strategic planning. This involves:
- Identifying objectives (e.g. neutralising a threat, securing territory)
- Assessing enemy capabilities
- Allocating resources (troops, aircraft, naval units, etc.)
- Establishing timelines and phases of the operation

This planning is typically done at the Joint Staff Headquarters (JS HQ), which oversees coordination between the Army, Navy, and Air Force.

2. Intelligence Gathering

Intelligence is gathered through:
- Reconnaissance missions
- Satellite imagery
- Signals intelligence (SIGINT)
- Human intelligence (HUMINT)

This information helps commanders understand enemy positions, movements, and weaknesses.

3. Joint Operations Coordination

Pakistan’s military uses a joint command structure to synchronise efforts across all branches:
- Army: Ground forces execute direct assaults, secure areas, and hold positions.
- Air Force: Provides air cover, conducts airstrikes, and supports troop movements.
- Navy: Engages in maritime operations, especially in coastal or amphibious missions.

They use secure communication systems and real-time data sharing to stay coordinated.

4. Execution of the Attack

Once everything is in place:
- Airstrikes or artillery may begin the assault to weaken enemy defences.
- Ground troops move in to capture or clear the area.
- Special forces may be deployed for high-value targets or sabotage missions.
- Naval units may block enemy reinforcements or supply lines if near coastal areas.

5. Post-Operation Review

After the mission:
- A debriefing is conducted to assess success and identify lessons learned.
- Casualty reports, equipment status, and mission outcomes are documented.
- Adjustments are made for future operations.

Pakistan needs to ensure that all the tri-services work effectively to achieve their goals. In addition, all political services do their job professionally and be 2 steps ahead of the enemy country (Give directions, continue to Lobby/influence other Governments, be effective in Information Warfare etc.).

Exactly. You need the full spectrum.
 
I wonder how Pakistani missile compares to Iran's? I understand they are up against one of the most formidable air defences in the world backed by EU/US.

But our re-entry vehicles and solid rocket motor tech looks outdated. I mean no Pakistani missile has any control fins which are typically associated with MaRVs. I guess they are strategic in nature so accuracy isn't a focus, but maneuverability & terminal speeds is still important.

Shaheen 2 seems to resemble the Khorramshahr-4 missile.
 
I wonder how Pakistani missile compares to Iran's? I understand they are up against one of the most formidable air defences in the world backed by EU/US.

But our re-entry vehicles and solid rocket motor tech looks outdated. I mean no Pakistani missile has any control fins which are typically associated with MaRVs. I guess they are strategic in nature so accuracy isn't a focus, but maneuverability & terminal speeds is still important.

Shaheen 2 seems to resemble the Khorramshahr-4 missile.
Absolutely huge lessons for us again another wake up call i would say . India will try to copy recent Israel attack on iran in next conflict against us only firing same or more missile can help us have control of escalation Both quantity and quality should be addressed ASAP.
 
I wonder how Pakistani missile compares to Iran's? I understand they are up against one of the most formidable air defences in the world backed by EU/US.

But our re-entry vehicles and solid rocket motor tech looks outdated. I mean no Pakistani missile has any control fins which are typically associated with MaRVs. I guess they are strategic in nature so accuracy isn't a focus, but maneuverability & terminal speeds is still important.

Shaheen 2 seems to resemble the Khorramshahr-4 missile.

We need more advancements on missile tech. Unless they are keeping it hidden and not announcing it.
 
I wonder how Pakistani missile compares to Iran's? I understand they are up against one of the most formidable air defences in the world backed by EU/US.

But our re-entry vehicles and solid rocket motor tech looks outdated. I mean no Pakistani missile has any control fins which are typically associated with MaRVs. I guess they are strategic in nature so accuracy isn't a focus, but maneuverability & terminal speeds is still important.

Shaheen 2 seems to resemble the Khorramshahr-4 missile.
Hi, i read few years ago abt shaheen 3 eeaching israel between 12 to 15 mins i calculated on that base its btw mach 17 to 18. But its very high hypersonic.

Correction terminal phase figures are debatable i am wrong that its mach 18 in terminal.
 
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We need more advancements on missile tech. Unless they are keeping it hidden and not announcing it.
The US sanctions we saw on suppliers for our missile programs that came last year must mean we are doing something for them to take notice
 
I remember there was a discussion here once on the possible origin of the Fatah-2 missile.

IMO, I think it's a domestically modified version of China's DF-12 missile. (Which China also explicitly offers for export). The missile bodies look extremely similar and stated specs.

Chinese DF-12 (export name 'M-20' in Belarus)

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Pakistani Fatah-2

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One thing to note is that the Fatah 2's warhead area or 'nose tip' looked slightly different on parade day.

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can carry different types of warheads
 
I wonder how Pakistani missile compares to Iran's? I understand they are up against one of the most formidable air defences in the world backed by EU/US.

But our re-entry vehicles and solid rocket motor tech looks outdated. I mean no Pakistani missile has any control fins which are typically associated with MaRVs. I guess they are strategic in nature so accuracy isn't a focus, but maneuverability & terminal speeds is still important.

Shaheen 2 seems to resemble the Khorramshahr-4 missile.
External Control fins only increase drag limiting the missile speed.
So Pakistan has moved away from external fins
Earlier Shaheen Versions had fins.

Even you can see fins on Fatah-2 but Fatah-3 comes with no fins at all
I suspect 50km increase in range may be due to Separable Warhead + Finless design.

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F3 - Finless & Separable Warhead Design
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F2 - central and baseline Fins design
 
External Control fins only increase drag limiting the missile speed.
So Pakistan has moved away from external fins
Earlier Shaheen Versions had fins.

Even you can see fins on Fatah-2 but Fatah-3 comes with no fins at all
I suspect 50km increase in range may be due to Separable Warhead + Finless design.

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F3 - Finless & Separable Warhead Design
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F2 - central and baseline Fins design
Why do advanced Chinese missiles and the Pershing use control fins on the RV then?

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Interesting video on Iranian missile program, valuable to this thread I think.

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