Iran Plans to Buy Chinese J-10C Instead of Russian Su-35

[MH.Yang]

Ravit Baer Israel's consul General in Shanghai has asked China to pressure Iran in the nuclear field.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-07-02/israel-urges-china-to-pressure-iran-to-rein-in-nuclear-ambitions

I know for a fact, they were successful in bargaining with China when UNSC imposed 2231 on Iran. An other fact, Israel can lobby in China, not as greatly as lobbying in the US. But its a fact that they can influence Chinese decision making process. @MH.Yang

For this part, China has not only flip flopping politically but also it was a complete short-sightedness from your leadership. After fall of Iran and Russia, they will surely come for you too. Starting with Taiwan, Israel's big daddy will surround you from every direction.

Every word you said can be thrown at yourself. I had a discussion with @Beijingwalker about this matter. I can repeat it here

China's position is clear. First, China does not support nuclear proliferation, even if Iran's ally, Russia, does not. The Iranians should give up the illusion. The position of any major power on nuclear proliferation is unanimous. Even all your neighbors will take the same position. Yes, PDF members of Pakistan are in favor of Iran getting nuclear weapons, but I'm pretty sure 100% of Pakistan's political elite are against Iran getting nuclear weapons. When it comes to nuclear weapons, the whole world is your enemy, and you shouldn't let the whole world know that in the first place. What China opposes is Israel and the US using force to resolve the Iranian nuclear issue, Israel's genocide of Palestine, and Israel's aggressive expansion in the Middle East. What China opposes is the way the United States solves the problem, and what China opposes is Israel's massacres. But China does not support Iran acquiring nuclear weapons, and China does not support sanctions against Iran. At the United Nations, China would agree with the proposed accusations against Iran over the nuclear issue. China would abstain on the sanctions proposal (Russia would veto it). China would veto any proposal for military action.

 

[MH.Yang]

Iran fought 8 years war with the whole west and east. Iraq had a variety of western to Eastern equipment. What happened in the end?

Now our friend @MH.Yang thinks that we are gonna give a military base to China out of fear or something.

Looks like keeping it civil with our Chinese friends becomes harder and harder.

I asked people focus on economic development, they insist on military deals.

Again, Iranian defense minister's visit to China was an scheduled SCO meeting. There maybe initial discussions about possible military cooperations but until formal confirmation, whatever people say online is just rumors, non sensical speculations and wishful thinking of users. Nothing else

I'm not talking about the military base, but the port of Chabahar. It was a key condition of the 25-year agreement between China and Iran. But Iran gave the port to the Indians, dealing a serious blow to China's B&R program. You don't put the blame on China, Iran is the one who should take the blame for the deal being broken.

 

[mulj]

Delay in Russia is due to Russia-Ukraine war , and Russians also producing assets for their own Air-force

I am sure Russia will start processing Algerian , Iran orders 40 Units

The J10C order will be likely a supplemental order to balance things out

That is shitty excuse, they have plenty of SU-35 to deliver promised without jeopardizing their combat posture in ukraina.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

I really wonder what’s Iran’s endgame? what they want?

doesn't want nukes because ‘nukes are evil’
doesn't want be seen as ‘protected by foreign powers’ so putin‘s offers got turned down, multiple times

Trust me, right now no one knows what Iran really wants

Even as the 'Pyrrhic victor' of the 12 days war, still a strong voice from Iranian top level reaching out for negotiations, which will no doubt be perceived as 'fence sitting' by Russian and Chinese leadership. quite frankly, it's exhausting watching all this

Maybe by now we should accept Iran is its own country, calling its own shots, and will never pivot to either camp, Which is fine, but for seeking such total independence, YOU NEED FUCKING NUKES!! Say whatever you want about north Korea, at least you don't see Americans dropping massive bombs on their heads.

Fantasy time: If I were Iran, I would have at least bombed Israel for 2 more months even after they begged for ceasefire, then I would invite this man in for 'inspection', only to hang him in public, with a crane. Then a few months later, do an open nuclear test right above his dead body

 

[MH.Yang]

doesn't want nukes because ‘nukes are evil’
doesn't want be seen as ‘protected by foreign powers’ so putin‘s offers got turned down, multiple times

Trust me, right now no one knows what Iran really wants

Even as the 'Pyrrhic victor' of the 12 days war, still a strong voice from Iranian top level reaching out for negotiations, which will no doubt be perceived as 'fence sitting' by Russian and Chinese leadership. quite frankly, it's exhausting watching all this

Maybe by now we should accept Iran is its own country, calling its own shots, and will never pivot to either camp, Which is fine, but for seeking such total independence, YOU NEED FUCKING NUKES!! Say whatever you want about north Korea, at least you don't see Americans dropping massive bombs on their heads.

Fantasy time: If I were Iran, I would have at least bombed Israel for 2 more months even after they begged for ceasefire, then I would invite this man in for 'inspection', only to hang him in public, with a crane. Then a few months later, do an open nuclear test right above his dead body

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Iran's steel production is 30 million tons per year, the 10th largest steel producer in the world, and cement production is 100 million tons per year, the top 10 in the world. Automobile production has a capacity of 1.5 million units per year and even has 79% mobile internet coverage. Iran is also the only country in the Middle East with a complete industrial system, covering petrochemicals, military industry, automotive, machinery, electronics, pharmaceuticals and other fields, especially in the field of heavy industry and military industry is outstanding.

Iran's real power is far stronger than some of the national power projected by Israel and the United States in the Middle East.

How did China use its huge population and territory to defeat Japan, which was 42 times more industrially powerful than China, in the war against Japan? No surrender, no negotiations, no ceasefire. As long as these three points are adhered to, the final victory will surely belong to the side with stronger overall national strength. The Iranian government will not fail to understand this.

 

[ety]

doesn't want nukes because ‘nukes are evil’
doesn't want be seen as ‘protected by foreign powers’ so putin‘s offers got turned down, multiple times

Trust me, right now no one knows what Iran really wants

Even as the 'Pyrrhic victor' of the 12 days war, still a strong voice from Iranian top level reaching out for negotiations, which will no doubt be perceived as 'fence sitting' by Russian and Chinese leadership. quite frankly, it's exhausting watching all this

Maybe by now we should accept Iran is its own country, calling its own shots, and will never pivot to either camp, Which is fine, but for seeking such total independence, YOU NEED FUCKING NUKES!! Say whatever you want about north Korea, at least you don't see Americans dropping massive bombs on their heads.

Fantasy time: If I were Iran, I would have at least bombed Israel for 2 more months even after they begged for ceasefire, then I would invite this man in for 'inspection', only to hang him in public, with a crane. Then a few months later, do an open nuclear test right above his dead body

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What Iran should do is shut up and then secretly make the bombs as NK did, then US and Israel are not very likely able to stop it.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Sure, China help Iran, supposedly, and we help Israel. Fair game.

How is China going to deliver those jets? Fly them in and risk being shot down en route? China to declare war against Israel? Good luck with that.

Bottom line is that as long as Israel controls Iranian airspace, Iranian future essentially belongs to Israel.

How many Iranian jets has Israel shot down in this conflict? What has Israel claimed? How many new IAF aces were made in this conflict?

We saw some Tomcats(!!) destroyed on the ground, 3 of them(most of which people have said had been parked there fore years as spare parts sources). And some helicopters, and 1 large boeing. Beyond that, what is the impact on the Iranian Airforce as of now?

If there were lots of air-to-air kills, wouldn't the IAF announced that by now?

Israel at the height of its operations could only maintain jets over Iran for limited periods of time for hit-and-run type operations due to the logics and distances involved. It is not a persistent air superiority because Iran is so far away for Israel. It is not like Syria where IAF could maintain continuous operations.

 

[muhammed45]

China's position is clear. First, China does not support nuclear proliferation, even if Iran's ally, Russia, does not. The Iranians should give up the illusion. The position of any major power on nuclear proliferation is unanimous. Even all your neighbors will take the same position. Yes, PDF members of Pakistan are in favor of Iran getting nuclear weapons, but I'm pretty sure 100% of Pakistan's political elite are against Iran getting nuclear weapons. When it comes to nuclear weapons, the whole world is your enemy, and you shouldn't let the whole world know that in the first place. What China opposes is Israel and the US using force to resolve the Iranian nuclear issue, Israel's genocide of Palestine, and Israel's aggressive expansion in the Middle East. What China opposes is the way the United States solves the problem, and what China opposes is Israel's massacres. But China does not support Iran acquiring nuclear weapons, and China does not support sanctions against Iran. At the United Nations, China would agree with the proposed accusations against Iran over the nuclear issue. China would abstain on the sanctions proposal (Russia would veto it). China would veto any proposal for military action.

Iran just started leaving NPT. Let's see who is gonna stop us. And I don't think that Chinese government gives a hoot about it. Its good for them to have an independent Iran rather than a US aligned one. Remember Iran of Shah was the reason why Europe failed to have its own independent currency. Shah sanctioned the whole oil output of west Asia to Europe and Europe faced a complete energy crisis and then agreed to greenback's monopoly.

About Chabahar, your perception is completely wrong. Gwadar is a Chinese project, Chabahar is an Iranian project.

India as an investor was allowed to freely trade wheat with Afghanistan and Europe in return for their investment for a period of time. Chinese investment is completely different. Chinese presence in Gwadar is not for a short period of time.

It's most welcome to have Chinese presence in Pakistan at all from our pov. It avoids American presence in the region. That's why I claim your leadership suffers from short-sightedness.

 

[MH.Yang]

Iran just started leaving NPT. Let's see who is gonna stop us. And I don't think that Chinese government gives a hoot about it. Its good for them to have an independent Iran rather than a US aligned one. Remember Iran of Shah was the reason why Europe failed to have its own independent currency. Shah sanctioned the whole oil output of west Asia to Europe and Europe faced a complete energy crisis and then agreed to greenback's monopoly.

About Chabahar, your perception is completely wrong. Gwadar is a Chinese project, Chabahar is an Iranian project.

India as an investor was allowed to freely trade wheat with Afghanistan and Europe in return for their investment for a period of time. Chinese investment is completely different. Chinese presence in Gwadar is not for a short period of time.

It's most welcome to have Chinese presence in Pakistan at all from our pov. It avoids American presence in the region. That's why I claim your leadership suffers from short-sightedness.

Let me explain it to you this way. All the nuclear countries in this world are quietly working on nuclear weapons until they conduct nuclear experiments to declare themselves as nuclear countries, with the exception of Iran.

Nuclear non-proliferation is the consensus of all countries around the globe and is absolutely politically correct. China can be an enemy of the US, an enemy of Israel, an enemy of NATO, but even China does not dare to be an enemy of the whole world.

I don't know if any country supports Iran in building nuclear weapons, I personally don't think so. Even if there is a country that supports Iran in obtaining nuclear weapons, this country would never dare to say so, and it would certainly oppose Iran obtaining nuclear weapons against nuclear proliferation in the open. I hope you understand that any resolution condemning nuclear proliferation at the United Nations will be passed unanimously, and no country will dare to vote against it, especially those who hold veto power.

Most countries would have a veto-wielding state guarding its interests in the United Nations. Pakistan's veto comes from China and Iran's from Russia. China's opposition to sanctions against Iran and preventing the presence of UN troops in Iran is as far as it can go. You can't ask China to veto a resolution on nuclear proliferation.

The Chinese have thousands of years of friendship with the Iranians, and emotionally the Chinese certainly favor the Iranians over the Jews. The Chinese are well aware that our behavior during the Iran-Iraq war was sorry to the Iranians and Iraqis, while selling weapons to both warring parties went too far. But at that time the foreign exchange reserves in the Chinese treasury of 1.4 billion people was only 2.9 billion dollars, 1.4 billion people are 1.4 billion beggars. China at that time needed money to survive and we even sold our most important ballistic missiles. China is not the same now. Our weapons are backed by strong industrial strength and scientific research, no longer the crap we had 40 years ago, and our business ethics are not like those of the Chinese 40 years ago who dared to sell anything.

China was sincere with Iran when they signed the 25 year deal. $400 billion investment in exchange for Iranian ports as a key node in the B&R program. Spent a lot of diplomatic resources to reach a Saudi-Iranian rapprochement and pave the way for a diplomatic icebreaker for Iran, TikTok is full of videos of Israel massacring Palestinians. But what happened?President Raisi died inexplicably, the ports were given to India, and a bunch of Iranians on youtube were singing <Les menottes>...... that's what led to the deal being frozen, and Chinese people's perception of Iran getting worse and worse.

The Iranian government's understanding of geopolitics differs significantly from that of China. Most of China, including myself, although angry about President Raisi and the port, still retains hope for cooperation between the two countries. I hope that this time the Iranian government will respond to sincerity with sincerity, respect what is in the 25-year agreement, and not be duplicitous. Let's be friends with real mutual trust.

 

[vizier]

What Iran should do is shut up and then secretly make the bombs as NK did, then US and Israel are not very likely able to stop it.

Whether Iran develops the nuclear bomb or not they need an immediate stop gap measure which is dirty bomb radioactive uranium-iridium dust warheads that can be detonated at several thousand feet altitude to create area radiation effect. It is not destructive but area denial effect would last for centuries or more so noone can live in that area of detonation in long term. It provides somewhat deterrence in abscence of nukes.

They can get nuke designs from NK perhaps but they cannot trust anyone especially a country controlled by one man like Kim. If Kim is compromised you are toast basicly. The design might be fake which is a well known intel op tactic and intel agencies can easily track the design is taken by Iran. First have alternate plans if it doesnt work like immediate dirty bomb warheads then work on any design you want whether it is NK or others or your own.

 

[OldTwilight]

Iran will stick to Su35 deal, we just trained our pilots and ground crew ...
it's not rational to cancel the deal right now.

and for current conflict , buying s300 and s400 , Buks , tor m1 from Russia is more feasible than purchasing anything from China ....

although nothing can equalize the power balance better than nukes for us

 

[muhammed45]

Let me explain it to you this way. All the nuclear countries in this world are quietly working on nuclear weapons until they conduct nuclear experiments to declare themselves as nuclear countries, with the exception of Iran.

Nuclear non-proliferation is the consensus of all countries around the globe and is absolutely politically correct. China can be an enemy of the US, an enemy of Israel, an enemy of NATO, but even China does not dare to be an enemy of the whole world.

I don't know if any country supports Iran in building nuclear weapons, I personally don't think so. Even if there is a country that supports Iran in obtaining nuclear weapons, this country would never dare to say so, and it would certainly oppose Iran obtaining nuclear weapons against nuclear proliferation in the open. I hope you understand that any resolution condemning nuclear proliferation at the United Nations will be passed unanimously, and no country will dare to vote against it, especially those who hold veto power.

Most countries would have a veto-wielding state guarding its interests in the United Nations. Pakistan's veto comes from China and Iran's from Russia. China's opposition to sanctions against Iran and preventing the presence of UN troops in Iran is as far as it can go. You can't ask China to veto a resolution on nuclear proliferation.

The Chinese have thousands of years of friendship with the Iranians, and emotionally the Chinese certainly favor the Iranians over the Jews. The Chinese are well aware that our behavior during the Iran-Iraq war was sorry to the Iranians and Iraqis, while selling weapons to both warring parties went too far. But at that time the foreign exchange reserves in the Chinese treasury of 1.4 billion people was only 2.9 billion dollars, 1.4 billion people are 1.4 billion beggars. China at that time needed money to survive and we even sold our most important ballistic missiles. China is not the same now. Our weapons are backed by strong industrial strength and scientific research, no longer the crap we had 40 years ago, and our business ethics are not like those of the Chinese 40 years ago who dared to sell anything.

China was sincere with Iran when they signed the 25 year deal. $400 billion investment in exchange for Iranian ports as a key node in the B&R program. Spent a lot of diplomatic resources to reach a Saudi-Iranian rapprochement and pave the way for a diplomatic icebreaker for Iran, TikTok is full of videos of Israel massacring Palestinians. But what happened?President Raisi died inexplicably, the ports were given to India, and a bunch of Iranians on youtube were singing <Les menottes>...... that's what led to the deal being frozen, and Chinese people's perception of Iran getting worse and worse.

The Iranian government's understanding of geopolitics differs significantly from that of China. Most of China, including myself, although angry about President Raisi and the port, still retains hope for cooperation between the two countries. I hope that this time the Iranian government will respond to sincerity with sincerity, respect what is in the 25-year agreement, and not be duplicitous. Let's be friends with real mutual trust.

I get your point. The whole political atmosphere has been friendly with China for hundreds of years. I have always thought about this historical reality.

Biggest problem of reformists in Iran is self humiliation when it comes to west. And it didn't start with our reformists. From Qajar dynasty to this day, west worshippers weakened Iran. They have a base among the public too. Hence their vote is influential. You may think that this is just a political game played by Iranian leader to have two branches and hide his true intention behind that game. No, reformist or fundamentalism is not his inventions. Our leader is a revolutionary man. And above that all, an Islamic leader. Islamic leaders care about public opinion even if it costs their lives. Politics is not a tool in their hands to fool their people.

If you want to know more about Shia leaders and their thoughts and also if you want to deeply get to know them well, you should read the book of Nahj al-Balagha. It's a book that's been praised by Christian researcher George Jordac. He says, I read this book for 40 times and still I found it interesting to read it again. A Lebanese Christian that before reading that book never held a positive opinion about Muslims. Then read Jordac's book 'the human justice' which is based upon his understandings of that holy book. Note, Christians are naturally foes of Muslims. So his opinions is opinions of a foe not a neutral man like a Chinese man.

I know that you Chinese freidns are not religious and you are known to be communist people, but after all, it's just a book. And books if they don't defy basic ethics, always increase our knowledge even if we don't accept them. They are all food for thought.

I know Chinese as an ancient civilization with a proud history.

Regards

 

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yes, interception been made over 10 to 13 points.

 

[StrategicBear]

Iran will stick to Su35 deal, we just trained our pilots and ground crew ...
it's not rational to cancel the deal right now.

and for current conflict , buying s300 and s400 , Buks , tor m1 from Russia is more feasible than purchasing anything from China ....

although nothing can equalize the power balance better than nukes for us

You still believe Zionist Russia will deliver them? Putin who says that "many Israelis speak Russian?"

 

[Farhan23]

China will not sell the jets until sanctions are removed which they won´t be and China will protect their air defense industry from second sanctions.

Iran should first rather focus on removing the sanctions