PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[RajaBaja]

I would like to slightly differ. The future of increasing #of jets may belong to stealthy unmanned jet platforms like KE and ANKA-3 etc. which can automously operating at a fraction of manned platforms lifetime cost including constant training.....

Pakistan will go heavy on manned one's and for the right reasons. We have excelled in EW. We jammed India's data links as well as Satellite systems that were providing guidance to Indian jets and missiles.

We are technologically extremely experienced in EW domain. With India's growing defense budget nearing $ 80 billion, they will also put a lot of money into EW as they now understand the importance of it. Israeli is also an EW advance country that will help India.

Under these future dynamics, you couldn't employ unmanned systems because they work on data feed. That feed is risky. So I think we'll see loyal wingman employment in large numbers post 2030 than KE and ANKA. We will have some of these though.

You could argue that KE or ANKA may be two good platforms for CAP duties also in peacetime complementing JFT's "workhorse" capability.

 

[MH.Yang]

Only if Pakistan's economy was little better.

It wasn't about money, it was about India's diplomatic relations with Russia. Pakistan needs to find a way to undermine the diplomatic relations between India and Russia.

 

[Michael]

So---as far as i am concerned---Mr. Gao is a spokesman for the chinese govt. unless the chinese govt denies it---.

I must say that you know nothing about China. This is a very harsh statement, but I can't find a better way to express it. I don't mean to offend.

Let me give you the conclusion first: Victor Gao is not a spokesperson for China, and he doesn't even understand Chinese politics.
I don't want to say too much to criticize him. I'm just describing a phenomenon that is widely present in China.

There is a newspaper in China called "People's Daily". It is the core propaganda channel of the CCP. This newspaper completely represents the CCP and the Chinese government.

In China, all super bosses will read this newspaper frequently. If you can understand its meaning, you will make huge profits in future business activities. If you can't understand it or misunderstand its meaning, you may face a disastrous defeat.
This is the basic rule of Chinese business activities. Whether it is Chinese or foreign companies, they must do this. Many bosses of large foreign companies investing in China will study this newspaper in depth. (Only very large bosses will read this newspaper.)
The premise of being able to understand this newspaper is that you must study Chinese politics in depth.
All local governments in China will also read this newspaper for a long time. But the degree of understanding is different.

Let me put it from another angle.
If you can fully understand this newspaper, then you can easily make huge wealth in China. How much you can understand depends on how much Chinese political wisdom you have.

If Victor Gao had enough Chinese political background and Chinese political wisdom, he would not have relied on selling red wine online to make a fortune.
If you can understand the meaning of the photo below, you will no longer argue with me about this issue.

This is totally irrelevant to this thread. Let's end it.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Under these future dynamics, you couldn't employ unmanned systems because they work on data feed. That feed is risky. So I think we'll see loyal wingman employment in large numbers post 2030 than KE and ANKA. We will have some of these though.

You could argue that KE or ANKA may be two good platforms for CAP duties also in peacetime complementing JFT's "workhorse" capability.

In fact, the Turkish AF also faces an extreme EW-rich neighborhood: Russia, France (via Greece), Israil, USA etc. Hence, the Turkish MIC has been especially focusing on EW, ES, EA, ECM etc. and ultra-secured comms. To this end they have developed a spoofing-proof digital wireless communication system - unlike anything commercially available from the 3rd parties - to integrate all of their distributed assets under a common networking backbone. And, this system has been uniquely built from the scratch with indigenous aspects of its building blocks (semiconductor devices, ICs, hardware, software etc. to leave no room to the Imperialists to interfere): be it multiple access techniques, cryptology, protocol stacks, baseband controllers, transceiver devices, antenna systems, power amplifiers, or something else. And, these systems have proved their worth during the Liberation of Karabagh and Syria. The "usual bastards" couldn't find a clue about what's going on....

 

[RajaBaja]

In fact, the Turkish AF also faces an extreme EW-rich neighborhood: Russia, France (via Greece), Israil, USA etc. Hence, the Turkish MIC has been especially focusing on EW, ES, EA, ECM etc. and ultra-secured comms. To this end they have developed a spoofing-proof digital wireless communication system - unlike anything commercially available from the 3rd parties - to integrate all of their distributed assets under a common networking backbone. And, this system has been uniquely built from the scratch with indigenous aspects of its building blocks (semiconductor devices, ICs, hardware, software etc. to leave no room to the Imperialists to interfere): be it multiple access techniques, cryptology, protocol stacks, baseband controllers, transceiver devices, antenna systems, power amplifiers, or something else. And, these systems have proved their worth during the Liberation of Karabagh and Syria. The "usual bastards" couldn't find a clue about what's going on....

Your logic is valid for Turkish theater not Pakistan India. For Turkey, Greece and Turkey are both NATO. Can't fight beyond air to air simulations and big talk. Turkey and Israel won't fight either. Both are advanced in military tech and attacking Turkey means asking NATO for a war. So if they ever go hot, it would be an attack or two.

India - Pakistan share a border. Distance between Indian border to Islamabad is like 80 KM's. Similarly distance to major Indian cities from certain places is also 60-80KM. A volley of supersonic missiles can get to targets on both sides in less than a minute.

Pakistan doesn't have strategic depth. It can't afford to think of a "second chance" if let's say its front end KE or Anka failed. So it would employ humans at all cost. In future we might see some dangerous ops shift to KE or Anka like platforms like attacking Indian air defenses, kimikaze like ops.

 

[Falcon26]

It wasn't about money, it was about India's diplomatic relations with Russia. Pakistan needs to find a way to undermine the diplomatic relations between India and Russia.

Pakistan should nurture the diplomatic relationship between India and Russia. It serves Pakistan core geostrategic interest

 

[enroger]

Hi,

In the weapons and war world---Mr. Gao serves an extremely important purpose that works greatly to the advantage of pakistan---.

You know in our business---cars and truck sales---the promise that a salesman makes---mean nothing on the face---but when something goes wrong---the customer will hold our feet to the fire---and we will comply to their demands---.

So---as far as i am concerned---Mr. Gao is a spokesman for the chinese govt. unless the chinese govt denies it---.

I would say that the chinese govt is in a catch 22---

No, Gao is not affiliated with the government now his is retired. Gao is more like a online celebrity nowadays, I like the guy, I like his stance on many issues, he is a great debater against western journalists/experts/thinktank...etc.

However, the man does not represent Chinese government, nor does he has more inside knowledge than others. Sometimes the things he saids is straight up wrong lol

 

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[Scorpio]

With advances in material science, it shouldn't be a problem for the J-10C to carry PL-17/21 in the future. But J-35 may need to sacrifice stealth capability when carrying it.

Don't underestimate Chinese.. they can create downsize version of PL17... Soon or may be already created (is confidential)

 

[Scorpio]

In the long run Pakistan actually needs F-15EX/J-16. at least J-11BS/Su-35S/Su-30SM. don't follow Iran and India's dependence on missiles, but the US and Israel.

We cant afford F15 , PAf will not go for su-35 ... Remaining J16 or J11 seems to be not available for export (so china never showcase them for export)..

 

[MastanKhan]

No, Gao is not affiliated with the government now his is retired. Gao is more like a online celebrity nowadays, I like the guy, I like his stance on many issues, he is a great debater against western journalists/experts/thinktank...etc.

However, the man does not represent Chinese government, nor does he has more inside knowledge than others. Sometimes the things he saids is straight up wrong lol

Hi,

The confidence that he speaks with---it matters not if he is a govt rep or not---.

The ball is in the chinese court---. They cannot outright reject his statements---.

Damned if they do it---and damned if they don't.

 

[MastanKhan]

I must say that you know nothing about China. This is a very harsh statement, but I can't find a better way to express it. I don't mean to offend.

Let me give you the conclusion first: Victor Gao is not a spokesperson for China, and he doesn't even understand Chinese politics.
I don't want to say too much to criticize him. I'm just describing a phenomenon that is widely present in China.

There is a newspaper in China called "People's Daily". It is the core propaganda channel of the CCP. This newspaper completely represents the CCP and the Chinese government.

In China, all super bosses will read this newspaper frequently. If you can understand its meaning, you will make huge profits in future business activities. If you can't understand it or misunderstand its meaning, you may face a disastrous defeat.
This is the basic rule of Chinese business activities. Whether it is Chinese or foreign companies, they must do this. Many bosses of large foreign companies investing in China will study this newspaper in depth. (Only very large bosses will read this newspaper.)
The premise of being able to understand this newspaper is that you must study Chinese politics in depth.
All local governments in China will also read this newspaper for a long time. But the degree of understanding is different.

Let me put it from another angle.
If you can fully understand this newspaper, then you can easily make huge wealth in China. How much you can understand depends on how much Chinese political wisdom you have.

If Victor Gao had enough Chinese political background and Chinese political wisdom, he would not have relied on selling red wine online to make a fortune.
If you can understand the meaning of the photo below, you will no longer argue with me about this issue.
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This is totally irrelevant to this thread. Let's end it.

Hi,

You know how a policeman makes a criminal to admit his crime---he throws information up in the air and blames him for the crimes he did not do and the criminal spills out his guts telling him what he did.

So---for sure---I don't know anything about china or many many other things---but the response to my post will be very informative.

 

[Ali_Baba]

In the long run Pakistan actually needs F-15EX/J-16. at least J-11BS/Su-35S/Su-30SM. don't follow Iran and India's dependence on missiles, but the US and Israel.

I do think that the PAF views the Kaan as the long range heavy strike requirement, it has all the advantages that the F-15EX/J-16 / J-11BS/Su-35S/Su-30SM will offer, with the additional value add of Stealth. By the time the Kaan is ready, PAF will have inducted enough J-35AE/J10CEs/JF17-PFX to perform the bulk of the air fleet replenishment programme and those can start to focus on long range strike capabilities, something it has never really had before.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Why the Pakistan Air Force's Future is in Drones, Not Fighter Jets​

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