India to develop with France engine for desi stealth fighter

[BonPlan]

So the most technical bits of the PL-15 are "interesting".

You need to make up your mind, and remember all that "interesting" stuff is over 10 years old now

The frame and the powder engine may have 10 years. But what about the seeker and the electronic parts?

MICA for exemple is produced since 1996 circa. It's just impossible the RF seeker is the same on a 2020 missile than in a 1996 missile.

 

[Yasser76]

The frame and the powder engine may have 10 years. But what about the seeker and the electronic parts?

MICA for exemple is produced since 1996 circa. It's just impossible the RF seeker is the same on a 2020 missile than in a 1996 missile.

So China made no improevments to the missile in 10 years despite their amazing tech progress?

 

[Corax]

The frame and the powder engine may have 10 years. But what about the seeker and the electronic parts?

MICA for exemple is produced since 1996 circa. It's just impossible the RF seeker is the same on a 2020 missile than in a 1996 missile.

There's nothing special about that seeker either. The success of the PL15 against Spectre was due to it's networking capabilities and being guided by data link. I asked you this before but you keep ignoring, why didn't the MAWS on the Rafales spectre detect the PL15?

 

[BonPlan]

Engine technology is the crown jewel of manufacturing; mastering fifth-generation fighter engine technology marks a nation's ascent to the world's top tier of industrial powers. In short, it cannot be bought or copied. It requires decades of sustained investment in basic science, engineering, industrial chains, and capital. Thus, whether a country can master this technology has become the gold standard for judging whether it possesses a globally leading, self-reliant manufacturing system. The "complete technology transfer" touted by Indian media is mere marketing rhetoric; in essence, it is limited subcontracting under tightly controlled technical services.

You're right.
A world class jet engine is among the most complicated object to fine tune and produce.
it has to run from -50°C to +50°C, internally the temperature is in the 2000°K range, has to run up to 9G, be the lighter possible but sustainable, able to go from idle to max power in the less time possible, be transparent to pilot.

It is why it is so complex and mastered only by very few.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

This is the crux of the issue. The TF engine technology is one of the most closely guarded secrets in the West, Russia and China.

French will gladly sell them engines in SKD/FKD kits to be assembled (like the MKI engines) in India for the "Atmanirbhar Bharat" sloganeering, but that is it.

That means potential risk of hold-back, sanctions, lack of supply-chain will remain real problems for them in the future as well.

You said correctly, but what India learned it with the Su-30MKI deal, including engine was very good learning lesson for india.

This was the reason the New Dealincluded 100 TOT mandatory!

Why you think india was discussing with UK and USA for the ssame

Technology Transfer Terms: Multiple reputable sources indicate that 100% ToT is part of the agreement, including full access to the Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) related to the engine design

It's approx 7-8 billion deal - now I don't think india will do the same mistake it did before with the Su-30MKI, and the Indian government already has open clarity on that.

 

[BonPlan]

There's nothing special about that seeker either. The success of the PL15 against Spectre was due to it's networking capabilities and being guided by data link. I asked you this before but you keep ignoring, why didn't the MAWS on the Rafales spectre detect the PL15?

Because we don't know if this Rafale was downed by a PL-15. A friendly fire, so close to its base, is possible (I know for the pakistani pride that it is not your prefered option.... isn't it my dear stud @Yasser76 ?)
Spectra was maybe damaged, or suffering a break down, or short on flares, or simply not fitted with the PL-15 seeker signature (to explain why it is so usefull to have some PL-15 seekers under the indian and west hands).
Spectra was maybe shut off, as so near its air base, not to interfere with local air defense?

There are many options, and not only the one fantasmed by some forumers.

 

[Yasser76]

Because we don't know if this Rafale was downed by a PL-15. A friendly fire, so close to its base, is possible (I know for the pakistani pride that it is not your prefered option.... isn't it my dear stud @Yasser76 ?)
Spectra was maybe damaged, or suffering a break down, or short on flares, or simply not fitted with the PL-15 seeker signature (to explain why it is so usefull to have some PL-15 seekers under the indian and west hands).
Spectra was maybe shut off, as so near its air base, not to interfere with local air defense?

There are many options, and not only the one fantasmed by some forumers.

"Possible", "maybe", "don't know", "many options" by you Rakesh

Versus

Trump
French intel (I know they are supposed to be "your" country right?)
French CDS
Western press
western aviation media
Pakistan air force


So, "maybe", "possible", "don't know", but they could be right.

 

[Corax]

Because we don't know if this Rafale was downed by a PL-15. A friendly fire, so close to its base, is possible (I know for the pakistani pride that it is not your prefered option.... isn't it my dear stud @Yasser76 ?)
Spectra was maybe damaged, or suffering a break down, or short on flares, or simply not fitted with the PL-15 seeker signature (to explain why it is so usefull to have some PL-15 seekers under the indian and west hands).
Spectra was maybe shut off, as so near its air base, not to interfere with local air defense?

There are many options, and not only the one fantasmed by some forumers.

You french frogs are as arrogant as the indians.

And you have no idea what MAWS are otherwise you would realise they don't need the signature of the PL15 to function.

 

[Yasser76]

You french frogs are as arrogant as the indians.

He is Indian yaar

 

[Corax]

He is Indian yaar

Nah, he's a french frog, he's been on here for years as a Rafale and french fanboy. I've met many frenchies like him, arrogant obnoxious cnts.

 

[BonPlan]

You french frogs are as arrogant as the indians.

And you have no idea what MAWS are otherwise you would realise they don't need the signature of the PL15 to function.

Thank you for the "french".
Arrogant ? May be. But isn't it better to give argument than to nearly insult me ?

Spectra means "Systeme de Protection et d'Evitement des Conduites de Tir du RAfale", ie Rafale syteme to protect and avoid fire control. It is not only a MAWS, it is better (once again I'm arrogant).

 

[BonPlan]

Nah, he's a french frog, he's been on here for years as a Rafale and french fanboy. I've met many frenchies like him, arrogant obnoxious cnts.

At least one that recognize me as a french. Congrats for that, really.

GB are our best friends, specially when we crush them in Rugby (it is a joke. We never forget you helped us twice against the germans)

 

[Corax]

Thank you for the "french".
Arrogant ? May be. But isn't it better to give argument than to nearly insult me ?

Spectra means "Systeme de Protection et d'Evitement des Conduites de Tir du RAfale", ie Rafale syteme to protect and avoid fire control. It is not only a MAWS, it is better (once again I'm arrogant).

Not only arrogant, but stupid as well it seems. The spectra has MAWS comprising DDM-NG sensors and you have no clue how your beloved Rafale even works. I suggest you go look it up and learn something

 

[BonPlan]

Not only arrogant, but stupid as well it seems. The spectra has MAWS comprising DDM-NG sensors and you have no clue how your beloved Rafale even works. I suggest you go look it up and learn something

Sure I understand nothing to Rafale after working some years in a Dassault factory.

 

[Corax]

Sure I understand nothing to Rafale after working some years in a Dassault factory.

If you worked for Dassault, no wonder they started falling like little birds all over the indian countryside what did you do at Dassault, make the coffee?

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