Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Kyussis]

Now I am certain that you probably have ZERO understanding of Iranian power dynamics. MEK and Shahis are no longer relevant in Iranian politics. Not for last 25-30 years. They pay some retired US congressman to speak at their events sometimes (Bolton visiting MeK event e.g.) and naive people think oh they are active opposition. I already have mentioned why they are no longer relevant unless Iran gets invaded by NATO and these old clowns are put on Tehran throne by force which is absurd to even think. Post Khamenei's death IRI's own corrupt factions will clash for power. Search what media is reporting about Larijani vs Mokhber factions preparing for post Khamenei IRI. IRI itself is a corrupt decentralized system of illiterate power hungry groups, otherwise why do you think Iranian local socio-economic or military decision making is almost inexistant? The true opposition to IRI are people of Iran themselves who keep on protesting for dissapearing jobs, for falling currency, for social independance, for saving the country from being sacrificed in name of Palestine and every other Arab out there. Everytime there is a protest in Iran and thousands and thousands gather on street, are they all Israeli agents or just average Iranians unhappy with the system? If there will be change, it will come from within Iranian society from may be younger leaders or officers in IRGC, not parachuted Rajavis or Pahlavis. The protesting masses, the digruntled or disenchanted youth, younger leaders, office holders that see the system failing every single day. My own own assumption is that Khamenei's departure will result in slow decay of IRI system to complete change within 4-5 years.



When you get so much habitual of being humiliated at international levels that your Generals, scientists, political figures are being assasinated left and right, civilians are being murdered and leadership does nothing in return then your balls are cut to the level that words like "Nationalism" sound lofty to you.

See the problem with Khamenei/IRI cultists is that you are trained to worship individuals because it is easier. Countries progress because of their system not one man or one leader. US is superpower because of its socioeconomic success for a century that led to its global influence, which man is responsible for that can you name him or her? If today IRI has become a defenseless sanctioned hole with 1/10th of its true potential economy, its not just because of one person, its the system itself thats corrupt (Political appointments, Rich regime families living in west), dysfunctional (HC sector unexplored, defense branches going down), illogical (Iran tangled in Jew-Arab conflict). If it was fault of one person then I would be cheering for Khamenei's natural death in hopes that some new individual will fix things but it cant happen, the whole Islamo-Marxist system needs to be replaced because it was wrong from the beginning. It was designed by enemies of Iran to destroy a potential global great power (Communists backed by USSR+Islamists backed by West) and keep it out of the global strategic table. What has Revolution given Iran really ? Its economy is 1/10th of its potential despite having worlds 2nd largest HC reserves. Its Military is obsolete despite facing dangers from regional historical enemies of Iran from all sides. Its society is ruined in name of draconian laws. Millions of elites, talented people have already left Iran or are leaving every year. For a brief period in 2010s IRI saw mild success but that was short lived when system chickened out of responding to General Soleimani's illegal assasination. They could have ripped apart the NPT at that moment and go nuclear, IRGC controlled grounds from Yemen to Lebanon, it was not easy to tackle IRI but the dysfunctional system settled for meaningless missile response, allowing national deterence to be shattered. Result, today the same dysfunctional corrupt and humilation habitual system is asking for concenssions and bargains with enemy that has just killed 1000 Iranians, missiled the nuclear sites and cities.



If we go by your logic then answer me these questions:

(A) How come Shahi Iran at one point was worlds 12th largest economy while being allied with US, Israel? the sole power of middle east and central asia.
(B) How come US pressure liberated Russian stolen Iranian provinces (SSRs in NW) ?
(C) How come US armed Iran to teeth to worlds 4th largest AF and 5th largest military status. They were giving ToT's to Iran, expanding bases. Who can forget dark gene, atoms for peace program, project flower etc.
(D) How come even after revolution it was US and Israel that kept on supplying weapons to IRI when Russians and EU were arming Baathists to massacre Iranians?
(E) What would have happened to Tehran, Esfahan, Shiraz Tabriz etc had not Israel bombed Osirak Nuclear Reactor in coordination with IRIAF.
(F) Russia took Iranian provinces by force, refused to give them back. UK did same in east and south. Turkey caused femines in Iran that resulted in 10 million deaths, Arab League and EU funded Baathist military machine to massacre Iranians but Why IRI never even mentions them as enemies of Iran just like they keep on BSing about geographically irrelevant Israel and US?

I asked you who you thought would be a suitable alternative to the Islamic Republic. You still haven't provided a name. Keep it simple. Give me a name.

 

[TruthSeeker]

My AI question about amending the IRI constitution was answered as follows:

"Does the constitution of the Islamic Republic of iran include a procedure for amending the constitution?"

Yes, the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Iran does include a formal procedure for amendment—though it's highly controlled and was itself added during the only constitutional revision in 1989.

Article 177 of the Iranian Constitution outlines the process for constitutional revision. Here's how it works:

Amendment Procedure Highlights:​

• Initiation: The Supreme Leader must approve the need for a revision.
• Council Formation: A "Council for Revision of the Constitution" is formed, composed of key figures including:
  
  • Members of the Guardian Council
  • Heads of the three branches of government
  • Some members of the Assembly of Experts
  • Representatives appointed by the Supreme Leader
• Scope: Certain core principles—like the Islamic nature of the Republic and the role of the Supreme Leader—are declared unchangeable.
• Ratification: Any proposed amendments must be approved by a national referendum.

This process reflects the constitution’s emphasis on ideological continuity and centralized authority. It’s not designed for frequent or flexible updates, but rather for rare, top-down revisions.

So, it appears the only option for drastically changing the Supreme Leader role is a new constitution, which would mean some form of revolutionary process.

 

[mangekyo]

Right you are basically describing why I refer to Iranian society as backwards, it lacks strong civil institutions and a sense of civic duty among the people.

We’ve been hit with propaganda from both sides for decades, so no wonder people are so divided and confused. In the West, we’re reduced to stereotypes and no one talks about how much our science and philosophy shaped the world. Inside Iran, the regime has tried to erase everything before 1979 and before Islam, exactly what Khomeini openly said he wanted. Both sides have worked hard to erase our identity, and sadly, they’ve done a pretty good job.

 

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[FUB]

I was about to write the same thing....the Chinese are 10x more smarter than the US of the present day.....the reason the US is what it is today is because previously they behaved in such a way it endeared them to the world.....now, they're acting like the new USSR.
China is going about their business correctly, slowly, no bullying, no threats of sanctions or unilateralism.

China is the future. We can only hope that the mullah regime makes a 100% pivot East. The West has nothing to offer but financial fuckary.

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[Persian Gulf]

**HUGE DEVELOPMENT**

نامه ۷۱ نماینده به سران قوا: سلاح هسته‌ای بسازیم و نگه داریم؛ استفاده از آن بحث دیگری است / تفاوت شرایط می‌تواند موجب تغییر حکم ممنوعیت تولید سلاح اتمی شود

بیش از ۷۰ نماینده مجلس در نامه ای به شورای‌عالی امنیت ملی و روسای سه قوه با اشاره به ضرورت بازنگری در دکترین دفاعی ایران تاکید کردند: به‌کارگیری سلاح هسته‌ای مصداق حرمت فتوای رهبری معظم انقلاب در سال ۱۳۸۹ بوده اما ساخت و نگهداری به‌عنوان بازدارندگی بحث دیگری است.

www.entekhab.ir

بیش از ۷۰ نماینده مجلس در نامه ای به شورای‌عالی امنیت ملی و روسای سه قوه با اشاره به ضرورت بازنگری در دکترین دفاعی ایران تاکید کردند: به‌کارگیری سلاح هسته‌ای مصداق حرمت فتوای رهبری معظم انقلاب در سال ۱۳۸۹ بوده اما ساخت و نگهداری به‌عنوان بازدارندگی بحث دیگری است.

Translation: Over 70 Parliament Members have sent a letter to the National Security Council and the Heads of 3 Bodies (Executive, Judiciary and Legislation) to review the fatwah against nuclear weapons, mentioning that the use of nuclear weapons is haram but building and storing them for deterrence is a different issue.

don't think they understand how a nuclear deterrent works if they are saying we will build one but we won't use it

 

[kastor ville]

Next time our Israel fan boy posts about that tiny little country, here is a little-known fact to consider. Translation= selected government stooges will ram the cost down the throat of the American taxpayer, all the while the living standards for the working class and middle class Americans deteriotes.

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Lol...I was discussing this on another forum. But these bastards are not only supporting genocide and apartheid, but they're also curtailing freedom of speech, the biggest tenent of USA's democracy. Ellison's son is in charge of the Paramount,Skaydance merger...they also bought into TikTok and will now censor it against anti Isreali speech. The orange ape in the WH does what he's told. No one is guarding one of the strongest pillars of democracy. Then we have the anti genius Musk, who bought Twitter so he can force us to listen to whatever he has to say, most of which is misinformation, incidentally he's one racist sob. He's super anti Muslim. He just about started a civil war in the UK with the other Israeli paid agent Tommy Robinson. This world is becoming a dangerous place, due to the Jews of NY and Israel....they have eroded the Rules Based Order by their pursuit of hegemony. The atmosphere now looks a lot like the years before WWII. Fascism on the rise, misinformation everywhere, paranoia....all of it stems from one group's efforts to control everything.....and I hope it blows up in the face.

 

[Persian Gulf]

stay on topic. report posts or complain to GHQ if you are still not happy.

 

[ShapurII]

don't think they understand how a nuclear deterrent works if they are saying we will build one but we won't use it

Step by step. First, we must build them and justify the idea of having them.
Nuclear deterrence is a path that takes decades to reach maturity.
We had to start this path decades ago, but we need a starting point for sure.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Step by step. First, we must build them and justify the idea of having them.
Nuclear deterrence is a path that takes decades to reach maturity.
We had to start this path decades ago, but we need a starting point for sure.

if they want to build it the worst way is to have 100 MPs publicly call for it to happen first, lol. either they're building it in secret or they're screwed.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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[ShapurII]

if they want to build it the worst way is to have 100 MPs publicly call for it to happen first, lol. either they're building it in secret or they're screwed.

I personally think this is meant to give Pezeshkian some leverage in New York.
Pezeshkian would go there and say something like look, I want to sign a deal but there are hardliners in Iran that are pressuring us to build the bomb. So, give us a deal.

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Exactly what I said. If Iran had fired 500-1000 drones per day, the IAF would've never been able to freely and easily roam and bomb us 24/7. And their IADS would've been low on SAMs way faster.

 

[Sarhang]

Exactly what I said. If Iran had fired 500-1000 drones per day, the IAF would've never been able to freely and easily roam and bomb us 24/7. And their IADS would've been low on SAMs way faster.

Lets say hypothetically we have around 20,000 drones (which is impossible). The moment we start firing them toward Israel the entire NATO bloc + US will step in and they will be shooting them down inside Iranian airspace before they even get close.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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person talking too much, is a friend of no one!