Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

This is the ultimate lesson from this all. Iran is too unimportant and too easily replaceable to be untouchable, and doesn't have the competence to even be a regional power. Economically it will never be like UAE or SA, there are too many people, too many environmental challenges, and the hydrocarbon wealth ship has already sailed. The best case scenario is managing to survive the next century of climate change and maybe attaining a somewhat modest level of prosperity.

Iran is a major power in Asia and the Middle East, it is the Ayatollah regime that doesn't know how to rule over the country and has picked the entire West and Zionism as our enemies to our detriment.

There's a huge difference between Asia and the Western world. Iran is in a good position in Asia, but not on the world stage. People who say the Western civilization is dying are right in theory, but it's going to take a long time before the Western dominance is over and Iran cannot and should not sacrifice itself and wait for that to happen. Just look at the UN Security Council, for example. Out of 5 permanent members, 4 of them are European by culture. And change will happen with or without Iran's actions and resistance. The decline of the Western civilization and the worsening of the Israeli public image have had nothing to do with Iran anyway.

Iran should stay aside, let the world move forward on its natural course as we are too insignificant to cause changes, and live in the moment instead of trying to be a revolutionary, outlier state.

 

[PakAl]

You also gave the highest medal of honor (Nishan-e Imtiaz) to the Commander of CENTCOM only a few days after he bombed Iran's nuclear facilities. So, I wouldn't say Pakistan sided with Iran.

Sure, some Pakistani parliament members, some Pakistani religious figures, and millions of Pakistanis sided with Iran because we are culturally close and share the same religion and Israel is the enemy of Muslims after all, but on a practical level, no real help came from Pakistan.

So what, we also selected Trump for Nobel prize. Iran is also dealing with USA right now, having meetings, trying to cut a deal, the same Usa which bombed them. Usa Israel Quad EU Nato rule the world, this is the fact. Poor and weak nations have to find ways to deal with world powers. It wasn't just a parliament member but Pakistan Defence Minister.
Anyways if you think Pakistan didn't do anything then fair enough I was making a point.

 

[PakAl]

Because Pakistan submitted to being a US slave, sorry lackey..no wonder its now hosting ISIS-K on behalf of c i a and nato. I know this will hurt some Pakistani forum members but the truth is the truth.

I always question as if ISIS falls from the skies, who gives them weapons, training, literature for brainwashing. The clear answer is what happened in Syria and who is Jolani but Muslims on purpose choose to ignore facts. We live in a time where great liers exist. Terrorism is taking place in alot of Muslim countries. Indonesia, Mali, Sudan, Niger, Nigeria, Somalia, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Pakistan, Morocco, Algeria and a few others. The root cause of terrorists is the same, they use similar methods to brainwash people, read similar books, media, those who train them are the same or linked.

Usa/western world has successfully created their own Islamic sect, this sect is very active, it is religious political and financial movement, backed by petrodollars, their future children will join the army of dajaal

Regarding Pakistan, we are in a complicated situation, we have enemy 3 x large, population 7x large, economy 20x large, military 3x large. I disagree with the rulers but they believe they need to stay friendly with all world powers in order to survive. Usa is not alone, it is Nato EU GCC Quad, all work together.

Iran needs a similar policy to survive. I believe Iran Pakistan can be perfect allies, with alliance with China. Nobody will be able to touch us in this century.

 

[PakAl]

Iranians are not competent enough to attain this, the Turkish military couped the governnment anytime they started acting up. If they hadn't they would be in a similar situation as Iran is now.

Turkish people are highly educated and disciplined. I never been Iran so cannot say much but over the years everything can change for the better.

The world powers, Israel, GCC want Iran to completely leave middleeast. I think Iran should do that, concentrate on Iran only, imrove relations with neighbours, China, central asia, Turkey, ASEAN, Africa, slowly with EU and improve economy, military.

The current leaders are doing something similar, as some members mentioned Iran officially has been quiet regarding middleeast and anti Israel Usa statements.

 

[ShapurII]

So what, we also selected Trump for Nobel prize. Iran is also dealing with USA right now, having meetings, trying to cut a deal, the same Usa which bombed them. Usa Israel Quad EU Nato rule the world, this is the fact. Poor and weak nations have to find ways to deal with world powers. It wasn't just a parliament member but Pakistan Defence Minister.
Anyways if you think Pakistan didn't do anything then fair enough I was making a point.

I did not mention your nomination of Trump for the Nobel Prize. That's another messed up thing to do, considering that he's responsible for the deaths of over a thousand Iranians and tens of thousands of Palestinians after he took the office. You didn't need to honor the CENTCOM commander with your highest medal of honor. If you hadn't done that, it wouldn't have had any negative impact on your relations with the US, right?

My point is that Pakistan wasn't on our side as a country. People of Pakistan? Many of them, yes. Parliament members? Some of them, yes. Religious figures? Some of them, yes. Pakistani officials? Again, some of them. But the government of Pakistan as a whole did not do anything to help Iran practically. Iran was pretty much alone those 12 days.

 

[OldTwilight]

In case the non-persians are wondering what we're talking about here is a snippet in English

Rule #1: never trust the Russians.....how many times have written this?

what's your alternative, Russia is only country that selling Iran any useful thing ,

and don't bring back Qajar wars , we were weak , we were defeated , we are not saint , In our greatness , Abbas Shah did invade Georgia and took 15000 Georgians girls , women and boys and forced them to act like governmental sex slave in Iran cities ( he washer kus-kash )

Nader and Agha Muhammad Khan were killing others in 10 thousands ( they didn't eve show any mercy to Iranians as well ) ...

we are just as cruel as one nation can get ....

Don't mistake our lack of power as kindness or being pacifist Nation

 

[Hack-Hook]

what's your alternative, Russia is only country that selling Iran any useful thing ,

and don't bring back Qajar wars , we were weak , we were defeated , we are not saint , In our greatness , Abbas Shah did invade Georgia and took 15000 Georgians girls , women and boys and forced them to act like governmental sex slave in Iran cities ( he washer kus-kash )

Nader and Agha Muhammad Khan were killing others in 10 thousands ( they didn't eve show any mercy to Iranians as well ) ...

we are just as cruel as one nation can get ....

Don't mistake our lack of power as kindness or being pacifist Nation

Can you show me some of those useful things

 

[OldTwilight]

Can you show me some of those useful things

S300 , most of our radars , Yak130 , Su35 ( which the contract is already signed ) , our Dehlavieh anti tank missiles , most of our radars , ...

Even Russia, USA , and China currently can't guarantee survival of their assets against Air lunched ballistic missiles ...

 

[kastor ville]

Very true, but seems the arabs have taken this poison pill and are doing alright.

So we become a vassal state with zero independence?

I.R. had independent foreign policy for 40 years, and they messed it up completely. The whole point of having independence is so you can make decisions to benefit your country. Iran hasn't benefitted.

This reply is a bit late.....but I wanted to write and say you're right. In a way we bucked the system of the west and paid a heavy price....but by rebuffing being a vassal state for the west, we became one for Russia.......sad, but true.

 

[kastor ville]

By the way, I didn't know the IRI had troll farms in Iran.....my twitter timeline is filled with bot accounts repeating the same exact thing over and over again about Zarif.

You know who else does this same thing?
The MEK

Edit: it could also be Russian accounts posing as Iranians. Protecting Lavrov

 

[kastor ville]

And here's the real reason behind Netanyahu's message to Iran via Putin
America threatened him, and Mr. tough guy folded like a wet towel.

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[Arash]

And here's the real reason behind Netanyahu's message to Iran via Putin
America threatened him, and Mr. tough guy folded like a wet towel.

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Whatever, Iran has to push its military buildup and Nevdr Ever Again trust the U.S.

 

[ToddE]

Read my post again. I don't get why the main point of it goes over your head every time.
Even when Russia needs Iran to stay relevant, they're doing their best to weaken Iran. That just shows the depth of animosity between our nations.

Explain the following:

IRI is running at 1/10th of projected GDP because of sanctions that came after Ahmadinejad opened his mouth against Israel, how is that Russia's fault?

IRI killed thousands of its citizens over Hejab, over political disagreements, over fraudulent elections, how is that Russia's fault?

IRI decided to irrationally take on global Anglo-American Zios/Jews without creating means to fight them, How is that Russia's fault?

IRI made 54% of STEM grads run away from Iran due to socio-economic collapse, how is that Russia's fault?

US+EU killed killed soleimani, imposed crippling sanctions, bombed nuclear sites, how is that Russia's fault?

Israel killed 1000 Iranians, how is that Russia's fault?

IRI gave 500+ billion USD to Arab Militias, how is that Russia's fault?

Explain all of these and we will discuss more?

Russia at this moment has too many interests that align with Iran.

For the third time I am asking you what are those aligned interests? What interests are aligned between a Christian White Slav Eurasian nation and a Shia Islamic Turko-Iranic Middle Eastern Nation that do not even share borders between eachother?

Iran is a nobody that should stay low.

Not my fault if your parents raised to loathe your own self. I am raised differently.

Iranians do not want to fight Zionism. Your average Iranian on the streets of Tehran cannot care less about Zionism as long as the economic situation of Iran gets back to what it was like 20 years ago. Your average Iranian does not want Iran to be a super power either. Just a decent country with a decent standard of living. As I said, most people do not want even that much. Just to return to a few decades ago lol

I am more anti IRI than you can imagine + I know Iranian history, genetics, military details more than all this forum combined so spare me the lecture on Iranians. I am the first person and last on this forum to have pointed out that Intra-semite conflict between Zio Israel and Sunni Arabs has nothing to do with Shia Iran. Been saying that for last 2 decades on Iranian military forums. Similarly Russo-European shit fest has nothing to do with Iran. To me Russia = US = EU = PGCC = China because there are no friends and enemies in International Relations. Some Iranians have become so weak minded and self hating that they automatically assume that because Ayatollah shouts at west all the time so Russia and China are automatically Iranian partners/defenders by default. Thats now how the world works. IRI is responsible for defence of Iran, Russia is not.

As for Russia, they are absolutely our enemies. They have been our enemies for centuries and nothing has changed. The Islamic Republic is allowing it because Khamenei is a Russian agent and Khamenei is being kept in power by the Russians and the Chinese. Iranians of course cannot change this because the system is oppressive and undemocratic.

Azeri separatism in Iran is a legacy of the Russian invasion of Iran in World War II and the spread of communist ideology. Another reason why Russia is our historic enemy.

Keep on shouting at clouds but they won't care. IRI's effeminate culture has created a crop of Iranians who would 24/7 bark at other nations be it US, Russia, EU, Jews, Arabs instead of seeing problem at home. Revolution happened because of problems in Iranian society, Iranian GDP shrinked because Ayatollahs induced sanctions upon Iran by meaningless rhetoric against Israel, Iranian military deterence got shot down to shit because Ayatollahs wasted 500+ billion on useless arab militias. China, Russia are not responsible for Iranian downfall, Iranians are responsible for Iranian downfall. Do not be the whore, complaining to me which of your clients/pimps beat you hardest, I am telling you to not be the whore at first place so nobody beats you up.

 

[PakAl]

I did not mention your nomination of Trump for the Nobel Prize. That's another messed up thing to do, considering that he's responsible for the deaths of over a thousand Iranians and tens of thousands of Palestinians after he took the office. You didn't need to honor the CENTCOM commander with your highest medal of honor. If you hadn't done that, it wouldn't have had any negative impact on your relations with the US, right?

My point is that Pakistan wasn't on our side as a country. People of Pakistan? Many of them, yes. Parliament members? Some of them, yes. Religious figures? Some of them, yes. Pakistani officials? Again, some of them. But the government of Pakistan as a whole did not do anything to help Iran practically. Iran was pretty much alone those 12 days.

I get your point. All muslim states are on their own, when Pakistan had small wars with India no Muslim nation took their side. Militarily Pakistan didn't take Iran side but diplomatically we did, we condemned Israel in our parliament and our defence minister said we are with Iran and will give whatever help Iran needs, we also helped Iran in the UN. Iran parliament in return thanked us by chanting Pakistan Zindabad slogans. Maybe more was done behind the scenes we will never know but we 100% opposed any attack on Iran, same as China.

But you can't expect us to fight all the west for Iran, your ally India didn't even attend SCO gathering to condemn Israel.

Anyways this is going off topic. I was answering to the person who made comments on Pakistan.

 

[ShapurII]

Explain the following:

IRI is running at 1/10th of projected GDP because of sanctions that came after Ahmadinejad opened his mouth against Israel, how is that Russia's fault?

IRI killed thousands of its citizens over Hejab, over political disagreements, over fraudulent elections, how is that Russia's fault?

IRI decided to irrationally take on global Anglo-American Zios/Jews without creating means to fight them, How is that Russia's fault?

IRI made 54% of STEM grads run away from Iran due to socio-economic collapse, how is that Russia's fault?

US+EU killed killed soleimani, imposed crippling sanctions, bombed nuclear sites, how is that Russia's fault?

Israel killed 1000 Iranians, how is that Russia's fault?

IRI gave 500+ billion USD to Arab Militias, how is that Russia's fault?

Explain all of these and we will discuss more?



For the third time I am asking you what are those aligned interests? What interests are aligned between a Christian White Slav Eurasian nation and a Shia Islamic Turko-Iranic Middle Eastern Nation that do not even share borders between eachother?



Not my fault if your parents raised to loathe your own self. I am raised differently.



I am more anti IRI than you can imagine + I know Iranian history, genetics, military details more than all this forum combined so spare me the lecture on Iranians. I am the first person and last on this forum to have pointed out that Intra-semite conflict between Zio Israel and Sunni Arabs has nothing to do with Shia Iran. Been saying that for last 2 decades on Iranian military forums. Similarly Russo-European shit fest has nothing to do with Iran. To me Russia = US = EU = PGCC = China because there are no friends and enemies in International Relations. Some Iranians have become so weak minded and self hating that they automatically assume that because Ayatollah shouts at west all the time so Russia and China are automatically Iranian partners/defenders by default. Thats now how the world works. IRI is responsible for defence of Iran, Russia is not.



Keep on shouting at clouds but they won't care. IRI's effeminate culture has created a crop of Iranians who would 24/7 bark at other nations be it US, Russia, EU, Jews, Arabs instead of seeing problem at home. Revolution happened because of problems in Iranian society, Iranian GDP shrinked because Ayatollahs induced sanctions upon Iran by meaningless rhetoric against Israel, Iranian military deterence got shot down to shit because Ayatollahs wasted 500+ billion on useless arab militias. China, Russia are not responsible for Iranian downfall, Iranians are responsible for Iranian downfall. Do not be the whore, complaining to me which of your clients/pimps beat you hardest, I am telling you to not be the whore at first place so nobody beats you up.

No, I'm not going to play your strawman argument game.

Nobody blamed Russia for domestic affairs like Hijab, that's a cheap strawman argument.

Russia passed 4 rounds of UN Security Council sanctions on Iran. Russia made a deal with Turkey and told Assad to leave Syria, effectively enabling Israel to attack Iran through the Syrian airspace. Russia has been undermining Iran's national security in the Caucasus. It has asked Iran to settle the issue of our 3 islands with the Emirates diplomatically. Russia refused to deliver Sukhoi-35s to Iran. Russia has been accused of selling confidential information to Israel about our air defenses (by authorities in Iran). A spy of Russian origin is believed to have installed Stuxnet on our air-gapped local network. A Russian spy was involved in the CIA Green Salt project in 2001 against our nuclear program. The list goes on.

For the third time, you can refer to previous posts to read what those shared interests are. I am not going to repeat myself if you cannot read or comprehend basic sentences. It's all there. Go read it again.

Cut off the crap about I am this, I am that. You're literally a nobody. You're taking yourself too seriously. You were not the first person, nor the last person to point out that Arab-Palestine affairs do not concern us. This is something that every Iranian has known for decades already. Again, another strawman argument. Nobody claimed that Russia was responsible for Iran's defense. These comments make you look stupid and desperate, claiming things that were not even discussed or claimed in the first place.

I don't know who you are talking to and calling a whore, but we are not discussing you here. As for Russia, Russia has been interfering in Iran for two centuries since the time of Qajar. Just like what they were doing in Ukraine until the Ukrainians were fed up with them and decided to show them the middle finger in 2009. You cannot claim to be a master of Iranian history and then do not know the negative role that Russia has played in Iran's internal politics.

As for Iran, I do not need to shout at all. I believe Iran is on the path of war and destruction and whatever remains of Iran will eventually join the US sphere of influence one way or another. Russia will again lose another country in his sphere of influence. This is all happening as we speak and I can't care less about it.