1st HANGOR Class Submarine of Pakistan Navy has been launched at Shuangliu

[Awwad]

What Pakistan needs from these submarines is exactly what Pakistan is getting. All those comments wanting to have SLBM etc isn't going to happen. Those are not the requirements as well.

Primary role of these submarines is to contribute in A2/AD and provide a conventional deterrence against numerically much bigger indian naval fleet. Primary weapon of these subs is going to be heavy torpedoes anyways. As a secondary role and as a bonus these subs should easily be able to carry Babur cruise missiles. So what you really need more?? I only want Pakistan to develop increased range of Babur cruise missiles.

 

[DDG-80]

The maturity level is far from what Indian SMART, which is still under development and testing, is qualified for comparison.

The Indian Navy and BAPL have conducted a successful test launch of the BrahMos missile, reaching a remarkable range of up to 850 km. This achievement marks one of the longest ranges among anti-ship missiles globally, rivaled only by Oniks and Zircon. Recently, the Indian government has awarded a contract for over 250 BrahMos ER missiles exclusively for the Indian Navy. These missiles have been enhanced with digital fuel injection technology to boost their speed up to Mach 3.5, potentially even reaching Mach 4, and feature an X-band AESA seeker.

800+km range BrahMos missile successfully test fired by Indian Navy

The Area Warning was for 900KM Range @CallSignMaverick @Pingle @Zarvan @JaneBhiDoYaaron

defencepk.com

 

[War Historian]

Thousands of russian engineers and scientists have worked on Indian nuclear submarine project. And indians sunk it..

Your last sentence was a jewel...

 

[Bugsy]

China is helping us secure Gawadar port. And these 8 subs will certainly do that. Good step for both military and economy.

 

[huanghong]

The Indian Navy and BAPL have conducted a successful test launch of the BrahMos missile, reaching a remarkable range of up to 850 km. This achievement marks one of the longest ranges among anti-ship missiles globally, rivaled only by Oniks and Zircon. Recently, the Indian government has awarded a contract for over 250 BrahMos ER missiles exclusively for the Indian Navy. These missiles have been enhanced with digital fuel injection technology to boost their speed up to Mach 3.5, potentially even reaching Mach 4, and feature an X-band AESA seeker.

800+km range BrahMos missile successfully test fired by Indian Navy

The Area Warning was for 900KM Range @CallSignMaverick @Pingle @Zarvan @JaneBhiDoYaaron

defencepk.com

Obviously, 850KM is still far lower than 2000KM

 

[War Historian]

No Indian nuclear submarine ever sunk.

INS Arihant destroyed through Indian navy's lack of knowledge and professionalism.

How to Sink a $3 Billion Dollar Submarine: Leave a Hatch Open

Perhaps the most embarrassing incident was the near-sinking of India's first nuclear submarine, INS Arihant, in 2017 due to a hatch left open, resulting in extensive repairs and a year-long inoperative period.

nationalinterest.org

INS Sindhurakshak was burnt and sunk at Mumbai.

INS Sindhurakshak (S63) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[DDG-80]

INS Arihant destroyed through Indian navy's lack of knowledge and professionalism.

How to Sink a $3 Billion Dollar Submarine: Leave a Hatch Open

Perhaps the most embarrassing incident was the near-sinking of India's first nuclear submarine, INS Arihant, in 2017 due to a hatch left open, resulting in extensive repairs and a year-long inoperative period.

nationalinterest.org

INS Arihant finished its maiden deterrent patrol in November 2018. The Arihant is based on double hull design with a sealed nuclear reactor section. Except for the latest French nuclear submarines that have a hatch above the reactor for quicker refuelling, no other country with nuclear submarines have such a system. It does not have a hatch. To refuel, the hull will have to be cut open and welded back.

Google Earth Images Reveal Larger, More Powerful Indian Nuclear Submarine showcasing it's Vertical Launch Tubes

8 SLBM tube covers is clearly visible and a few more behind the sail and engineering space Recent satellite imagery reveals India's latest nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine (SSBN), the S4, in it's outer dry dock, with it's shed open for the first time. Analysts are scrutinizing the...

defencepk.com

 

[DDG-80]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1784545139849060778

 

[DDG-80]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1784545139849060778

She seems to be lacking the towed sonar array seen on Type 039A/B/C on their rudder.

 

[rumoured maniac]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1784545139849060778

https://twitter.com/x/status/1784545139849060778

Why exposed prop

 

[MastanKhan]

The French gave Transfer of Technology for those Agosta-90B submarines.
Lets hope China gives Transfer of Technology for its diesel electric submarines at the least.

Hi,

So what happened to that TOT on augusta---.

 

[CynicalPakistaniCritic]

First we need to develop SSBN to carry SLBM and it will be the long period of project, if we will develop 2,500 to 3,000 range SLCM then no need to develop SLBM and SSBN

What's the maximum range of our SLCM currently?

Plus as range increases I think chances of interception for cruise missiles increase due to early detection

 

[Bentley777]

What Pakistan needs from these submarines is exactly what Pakistan is getting. All those comments wanting to have SLBM etc isn't going to happen. Those are not the requirements as well.

Primary role of these submarines is to contribute in A2/AD and provide a conventional deterrence against numerically much bigger indian naval fleet. Primary weapon of these subs is going to be heavy torpedoes anyways. As a secondary role and as a bonus these subs should easily be able to carry Babur cruise missiles. So what you really need more?? I only want Pakistan to develop increased range of Babur cruise missiles.

What Pakistan needs from these submarines is exactly what Pakistan is getting. All those comments wanting to have SLBM etc isn't going to happen. Those are not the requirements as well.

Primary role of these submarines is to contribute in A2/AD and provide a conventional deterrence against numerically much bigger indian naval fleet. Primary weapon of these subs is going to be heavy torpedoes anyways. As a secondary role and as a bonus these subs should easily be able to carry Babur cruise missiles. So what you really need more?? I only want Pakistan to develop increased range of Babur cruise missiles.

Role depends on current situation . The requirement change every day in geo strategic enviroment . You do not sit on one thing for life. you have to make advancement and need of SLBM is debatable now but for upcoming decade it will definitely be a need. You can debate on whether we need SLBM OR not and definitely we donot know better than military think tank but you can contribute may they get something out of it or think about it. Nuclear triad will be completed by induction of SLBM and if the project will be completed it will only give strength no loss so there is no reason not do it or oppose it. i think financing this project will be only problem if we cannot overcome than fine do not do it . But if all resources are available then definitely go for it. Every body has right to disagree if there is need of SLBM or not.

 

[Sparten]

Once again -

If you are looking to launch a cruise missile as part of first or second strike YOU DONT WANT to be detected but be able to get close enough.

You are no longer trying to hunt anyone - you are avoiding contact.

Boomers are actively trailed and hunted as valuable assets in their arctic bastions with subs tailing them from the get go. Their missile ranges mean they can stay relatively safe in those areas to try and launch at targets from those locations or they can go near the coasts and tempt more patrols.

Pakistani SSK subs do not have that luxury - for them the goal in such a scenario is to be able to go undetected all the way down the Indian coast to an area where they can launch their systems.

In that regard they can behave like attack boats when needed but then need to go down the quiet route like American subs do and avoid all detection to get close enough for CM launchz

No. You want secure second strike you need range to keep the vesel as far away from the enemy as possible.
An SSK which is committed to second strike is one thats unavailable for submarine ops. Like shawdoing and killing an enemy carrier or sneaking off the coast.

 

[Liquidator]

Why exposed prop

Exactly...