Babur-Class (MILGEM) Corvette | Updates & Discussion

[Yasser76]

Z9 is probably least capable medium naval chopper out there.

 

[arslank01]

Following options are in discussion or in negotiations..

• Z9Ds
• AW - 159

neither is good.

The 159 lacks endurance and payload

the Z9 is naturally inferior sensor wise to the 159.

the RN uses the 159 as the shooter and the 101 as the sensor. the ROKN had to procure a special variant which included sonar equip, but that killed endurance, 1 hour endurance with dipping sonar and 2 torpedos, its not great...

 

[Yasser76]

neither is good.

The 159 lacks endurance and payload

the Z9 is naturally inferior sensor wise to the 159.

the RN uses the 159 as the sensor and the 101 as the shooter. the ROKN had to procure a special variant which included sonar equip, but that killed endurance, 1 hour endurance with dipping sonar and 2 torpedos, its not great...

Sorry, that is incorrect. RN defianetly uses Wildcat as a shooter two and invested a lot in this capability, RN Frigates and destroyers only carry one chopper....

 

[Qureshi]

neither is good.

The 159 lacks endurance and payload

the Z9 is naturally inferior sensor wise to the 159.

the RN uses the 159 as the sensor and the 101 as the shooter. the ROKN had to procure a special variant which included sonar equip, but that killed endurance, 1 hour endurance with dipping sonar and 2 torpedos, its not great...

Keeping in view the tonnage of our fleet (current & upcoming) falls in between 2k - 4.5k with not enough landing area hence can't accommodate heavy choppers.

Though French offers some good options but won't sale to PN, therefore the options are very limited.

 

[arslank01]

Sorry, that is incorrect. RN defianetly uses Wildcat as a shooter two and invested a lot in this capability, RN Frigates and destroyers only carry one chopper....

yes, i meant the other way around, the 159 is the shooter, the 101 the sensor- or the ship.

The 159 does not carry any sonar equipment, only the SK version does.

In focus: the Wildcat multi role helicopter in service with the Royal Navy | Navy Lookout

www.navylookout.com

 

[Yasser76]

yes, i meant the other way around, the 159 is the shooter, the 101 the sensor- or the ship.

The 159 does not carry any sonar equipment, only the SK version does.

In focus: the Wildcat multi role helicopter in service with the Royal Navy | Navy Lookout

www.navylookout.com

Wildcat would be much better for anti-ship and anti-piracy but granted, it is no sub hunter

 

[arslank01]

Keeping in view the tonnage of our fleet (current & upcoming) falls in between 2k - 4.5k with not enough landing area hence can't accommodate heavy choppers.

Though French offers some good options but won't sale to PN, therefore the options are very limited.

nope, i am friends with a retired XO (SiC) from one of the TN's Ada class ships (tcg buykada)- we had this discussion and the size constraints arent an issue, the 101 is actually shorter than the mh60 its the weight which may be an issue though i dont recall him saying as such but it has an empty weight the same as the mh60's mtow lol

 

[arslank01]

Wildcat would be much better for anti-ship and anti-piracy but granted, it is no sub hunter

Wildcat would be much better for anti-ship and anti-piracy but granted, it is no sub hunter

A139M with naval mods seems like a solid option too, or take PAF's CSAR config and navalise it.

 

[Qureshi]

A139M with naval mods seems like a solid option too, or take PAF's CSAR config and navalise it.

AW 149 or AW 169 are the excellent options & can be reconfigured with PN requirements.

 

[Yasser76]

A139M with naval mods seems like a solid option too, or take PAF's CSAR config and navalise it.

Yeah, still shocking that there is so limited standardisation in helicopters across all Pak armed forces. At one point they all used Aloutte III, now everyone has gone their seperate paths.

Had all three services gone for one type then in country assembly would have been possible. At last count think we have 14 different types across all three services. Now look at US where all three services use many variants of UH-60, both Air Force and Army use Chinook. Even if you include USMC I think they only have 12 types, less then Pak forces!

 

[arslank01]

Yeah, still shocking that there is so limited standardisation in helicopters across all Pak armed forces. At one point they all used Aloutte III, now everyone has gone their seperate paths.

or anywhere! there was no reason CAMM-ER could not have fulfilled the Tri Services MRSAM requirement, we could have even used this as a step with Italy to develop an even longer ranged variant, or possibly, an air to air variant, but nope, everyone went their own ways

 

[Yasser76]

or anywhere! there was no reason CAMM-ER could not have fulfilled the Tri Services MRSAM requirement, we could have even used this as a step with Italy to develop an even longer ranged variant, or possibly, an air to air variant, but nope, everyone went their own ways

Yeah, different type of SAM at all levels in all armed forces is shocking

 

[ghazi52]

Weapon systems to be used in PN MİLGEM corvettes have been announced​

Kaan Azman
14 Mar 2023





Weapon systems of Turkish, Pakistani and European origin will be used in the PN MİLGEM corvettes built by ASFAT for the Pakistan Navy.

• ALBATROS NG Air Defense System (MBDA)
• 2×3 P-282 Hypersonic Surface-to-Surface Guided Projectile System (Pakistan)
• 1 76 mm Super Rapido Bow Gun (LEONARDO)
• 2 triple launcher Torpedo Launching Systems (LENARDO)
• 1 GÖKDENİZ Close Air Defense System (ASELSAN)
• 2 STOP 25 mm UKSS (ASELSAN)
• YAKAMOS Hull Mounted Sonar (METEKSAN)
• HIZIR Torpedo Jamming/Deception System (ASELSAN)
• SMART-S 3D Search Radar (ASELSAN)
• STIR MK-2EO Fire Control Radar (ASELSAN)
• ADVENT Combat Management System (HAVELSAN)
• ARES 2N Radar Electronic Support System (ASELSAN)

The first images showing that the ALBATROS NG air defense system would be included in PN MİLGEM had previously appeared. In the early stages of the project, it was planned to include 16 Chinese-origin HHQ-16 medium altitude air defense missiles. ALBATROS NG system; It includes a cold launch type vertical launch system, fire control units and CAMM-ER medium-range air defense missiles and can also be adapted to land platforms.

As the choice of anti-ship ammunition, it can be considered that Pakistan's anti-ship ballistic missile P-282, which can reach hypersonic speeds, will add strategic importance to PN MİLGEM for Pakistan. Anti-ship ballistic missiles, which have a long range thanks to their high speed and are difficult to intercept due to their maneuverability, are suitable for attacking strategic elements on land as well as enemy ships. There are no images of P-282, which was made public in 2020.


PN MİLGEM, which includes weapons and sensor systems from many different countries, also demonstrates the flexibility of the MİLGEM design and ADVENT battle management system for potential export customers.
You can find more information about PN MİLGEM in the 13th issue of Defense Turk Magazine.
Kaan Azman

 

[Bilal]

Pakistan's anti-ship ballistic missile P-282, which can reach hypersonic speeds, will add strategic importance to PN MİLGEM for Pakistan. Anti-ship ballistic missiles, which have a long range thanks to their high speed and are difficult to intercept due to their maneuverability, are suitable for attacking strategic elements on land as well as enemy ships.

Sounds awfully like Fatah-2 or a further development of Fatah-2 (or 3 or 4).

 

[hussain0216]

As the choice of anti-ship ammunition, it can be considered that Pakistan's anti-ship ballistic missile P-282, which can reach hypersonic speeds, will add strategic importance to PN MİLGEM for Pakistan. Anti-ship ballistic missiles, which have a long range thanks to their high speed and are difficult to intercept due to their maneuverability, are suitable for attacking strategic elements on land as well as enemy ships. There are no images of P-282, which was made public in 2020.

So up to hypersonic speeds and manoeuvrable and able to target land and sea targets