Babur-Class (MILGEM) Corvette | Updates & Discussion

ghazi52 said:
  • 2×3 P-282 Hypersonic Surface-to-Surface Guided Projectile System (Pakistan)

  • ADVENT Combat Management System (HAVELSAN)
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2x3=6 P-282 on Babur class and only 2x2=4 on Type-54, even though Type-54 is the bigger ship. I wonder why?

Also, I thought PN had developed its own combat management system....so why ADVENT now?
 
Dreamer said:
2x3=6 P-282 on Babur class and only 2x2=4 on Type-54, even though Type-54 is the bigger ship. I wonder why?
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PN's near term goal is to aquire as much hulls as possible. You could have either very few heavily armed platforms or numerous lightly armed platforms. PN has opted for the later. Navy can add the missiles during MLUs. They have cut down on missiles on many platforms to save the cost. Otherwise Babur class could easily carry 24 CAMM-ER, the Yarmook Batch-II could easily carry 24 SAMs, Type-54As can easily carry 8 SSMs and so on.
 
Awwad said:
PN's near term goal is to aquire as much hulls as possible. You could have either very few heavily armed platforms or numerous lightly armed platforms. PN has opted for the later. Navy can add the missiles during MLUs. They have cut down on missiles on many platforms to save the cost. Otherwise Babur class could easily carry 24 CAMM-ER, the Yarmook Batch-II could easily carry 24 SAMs, Type-54As can easily carry 8 SSMs and so on.
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Doesn't really address my question at all.

If Type-54 can carry 8 SSM of P-282 size and weight then why doesn't it? If cost is the issue, then why isn't cost an issue for Babur which reportedly will carry 6...?
(for example since PN has 4 of each type of ship , the total cost of missiles will be same if the number of missiles carried were vice versa )

If the issue is size/weight of P-282, then why isn't the same issue present on a smaller vessel...??
 
Dreamer said:
Doesn't really address my question at all.

If Type-54 can carry 8 SSM of P-282 size and weight then why doesn't it? If cost is the issue, then why isn't cost an issue for Babur which reportedly will carry 6...?
(for example since PN has 4 of each type of ship , the total cost of missiles will be same if the number of missiles carried were vice versa )

If the issue is size/weight of P-282, then why isn't the same issue present on a smaller vessel...??
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You are actually assuming lot of things, which are not certain at the moment. First let me clear the weight issue, then I will tell what are the assumptions. Its certainly no weight issues here. Old chinese 051b destroyers carry 4x4 launchers (16 missiles, same missiles that are in Tughrils.). That destroyer isn't as big, its just like a bigger frigate. if that can carry 16 ssms then Tughrils can easily carry 12 (if space permits) and 8 for sure. So clearly the weight issue is not here.

and btw! Tughrils have different missile, p-282 is different. we really don't know the cost difference between these two. We also don't know which one is more expensive.

We even don't know whether P-282 is ready or not? Or Baburs may even come up with Harbahs. Even the number of missiles is not certain. We really don't know at this point if Babur will carry 2x3 missiles. We will only know whenever it will come out fully armed. Such reports are not final. For PN we keep seeing changes after every ship launch in the background ship posters. Sometimes its 4 missiles, sometimes its 8, sometimes its PDMS, sometimes its CIWS gun. So, this will be a premature discussion if we do it without seeing the actual thing. Which should have come out by now btw.
 
Awwad said:
You are actually assuming lot of things, which are not certain at the moment. First let me clear the weight issue, then I will tell what are the assumptions. Its certainly no weight issues here. Old chinese 051b destroyers carry 4x4 launchers (16 missiles, same missiles that are in Tughrils.). That destroyer isn't as big, its just like a bigger frigate. if that can carry 16 ssms then Tughrils can easily carry 12 (if space permits) and 8 for sure. So clearly the weight issue is not here.

and btw! Tughrils have different missile, p-282 is different. we really don't know the cost difference between these two. We also don't know which one is more expensive.

We even don't know whether P-282 is ready or not? Or Baburs may even come up with Harbahs. Even the number of missiles is not certain. We really don't know at this point if Babur will carry 2x3 missiles. We will only know whenever it will come out fully armed. Such reports are not final. For PN we keep seeing changes after every ship launch in the background ship posters. Sometimes its 4 missiles, sometimes its 8, sometimes its PDMS, sometimes its CIWS gun. So, this will be a premature discussion if we do it without seeing the actual thing. Which should have come out by now btw.
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Type 51b is 6000+ ton ship where as type-54 tughrils are 4000+ ton. That's a big difference so you cannot say both are of comparable size at all.

Rest of your points are valid. It's correct that we still haven't seen P-282 and it might be PN type-54 (Tughrils) carry a different missile. But there have been reports in the past that they carry P-282.....but not confirmed. There are also reports that they carry YJ-12/CM-302. (though that leaves the question, why not P-282? Is it not available yet? Or is YJ-12 better?)

The assumptions about Babur class were not mine,,,,I was only replying to the defenceturk.net article posted above which made those statements. But you are right that the report might not be accurate. But that's why I asked the questions,,,,,, so we can discuss it. Any discussion needs a reference point :)
 
Dreamer said:
Type 51b is 6000+ ton ship where as type-54 tughrils are 4000+ ton. That's a big difference so you cannot say both are of comparable size at all.

Rest of your points are valid. It's correct that we still haven't seen P-282 and it might be PN type-54 (Tughrils) carry a different missile. But there have been reports in the past that they carry P-282.....but not confirmed. There are also reports that they carry YJ-12/CM-302. (though that leaves the question, why not P-282? Is it not available yet? Or is YJ-12 better?)

The assumptions about Babur class were not mine,,,,I was only replying to the defenceturk.net article posted above which made those statements. But you are right that the report might not be accurate. But that's why I asked the questions,,,,,, so we can discuss it. Any discussion needs a reference point :)
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Let me talk about the advantages and disadvantages of YJ-12: In the military program of China's CCTV7 National Defense Military Channel, a naval commentator publicly revealed the performance characteristics of the YJ-12 anti-ship missile. The commentator said, "YJ-12A anti-ship missile is mainly used to attack enemy large and medium-sized surface vessels, with a range of 400 to 500 kilometers. It has the characteristics of full supersonic cruising, multiple complex trajectories, strong breakthrough ability, and good damage effect, and is a killer weapon against enemy large surface vessels..." The shortcomings or shortcomings of YJ-12 are also very obvious
Load YJ-12 anti-ship missiles with large volume and heavy weight. The number of equipment for a 4000 ton frigate like 054a will decrease
At present, China's YJ-12 anti-ship missiles are only equipped on the Type 051B destroyer 167 Shenzhen, which has a full displacement of 6600 tons after renovation and upgrading, as well as the Type 956E modern class destroyers 137 Hangzhou and 137 Fuzhou, which have a maximum displacement of 8000 tons after renovation and upgrading. They do not have vertical launch capabilities and all use a deck dual or quadruple launcher tilt launch mode.So why isn't jy12 equipped in 055 and 052d? The reason is that we have the YJ-18 anti-ship cruise missile, which is characterized by subsonic flight and supersonic flight. It is an anti-ship missile with a "dual-mode" flight attitude.
The maximum range of the missile is 600 kilometers, and it operates at a high subsonic speed of 0.9 Mach for most of its flight range. At around 50 kilometers at the end, the active radar on the missile automatically switches on, locking in the target to be attacked and sprinting at a speed of more than three times the speed of sound. The YJ-18 also has anti radiation capabilities. The missile explodes at a distance of 50 meters from an enemy ship, causing most of the electronic equipment and facilities on board, such as radar and computers, to lose their ability to function, becoming blind and deaf, and no longer possessing the ability to continue operations at sea.
The Chinese Navy's Type 052D/052DL and Type 055 destroyers are main battle vessels with a diameter of 850mm and a depth of 7/9-meter standard shipborne vertical launch device. They are equipped with YJ-18 anti-ship missiles and adopt a vertical storage and launch mode, which does not occupy valuable decks on the ship's surface.Improved the stealth performance of the ship
 
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-YAKAMOS Hull Mounted Sonar (METEKSAN)

- HIZIR Torpedo CM System (ASELSAN)- SMART-S 3D Search Radar (ASELSAN)- STIR MK-2EO FC Radar (ASELSAN)
- ADVENT Combat Management System (HAVELSAN)
- ARES 2N Radar Elect-Support System (ASELSAN)
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Yet to see any fitment of Turkish ciws on any pn ship
 
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Though I'm not sure how current the image above is, it appears that the second (right corner) of the MILGEM class PNS-Badr (281), which was launched on 20th May'22 is still a long way from finishing its fitting and join for active duty.
 
The 4 Milgem Corvettes add modernization to Pakistan Navy and help develop some deterrance at sea , much welcomed addition

Thank you to Turkey for helping complete these vital projects
 
As of yesterday, the Functional Flow and Actual Firing tests of PNS BABUR, the first ship of the Pakistan MILGEM project, is completed.
HAVELSAN is serving as the Combat System Main Integrator in this project, in addition to providing the ADVENT Combat Management System, Ship Data Distribution System and Ship Information Systems.
In the Actual Firing tests held, Surface, Air and Land Bombardment firings were carried out from ADVENT. A superior performance was achieved, with all shots being completely accurate. During the AA fire, the target was hit and shot down with the first shot, without needing any corrections.
We will see many news and posts about this issue in the press and social media very soon.
I just wanted to let you know a little earlier...
Well done Havelsan, Well done Asfat, Well done Türkiye an Pakistan.
 
Qureshi said:
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Though I'm not sure how current the image above is, it appears that the second (right corner) of the MILGEM class PNS-Badr (281), which was launched on 20th May'22 is still a long way from finishing its fitting and join for active duty.
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This image is taken in January 2024. Indeed, lot of work remaining on these hulls.
 
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