Breaking: Ex-ISI chief Faiz Hamid taken into custody by military: ISPR

[Forsvaret]

Munira Mistry wants to use Faiz Hameed to nail Imran Khan.
Lets see if Faiz Hameed starts giving statements against IK.

Chalo - try this attempt as well. Let’s see if Faiz can turn people of Pakistan against Imran Khan

 

[Oscar]

Yeah - all army and spy chiefs are patriot minus Faiz and Bajwa. Is it what you wanted to say?

No - you can do a knee jerk reaction to try and gaslight it but that is not what I said.

Simply pointed out that due to IK’s greater populism has the reaction to B a lot more.

Otherwise there are no Patriots - otherwise their families wont go from driving Suzukis to 9Crore Landcruisers in a few years

 

[Forsvaret]

Well… True
And seeing his side of the group of thought being rooted out of the army must also make him feel guilty. Many served loyally under him. To see their current state and the inability to do something is more torturous.

WHO is creating division in the unity of army now?

 

[PakFactor]

No
Certain ones still get their respect - and even if they are under “house arrest” as Gen K is they don’t get dismissed everywhere.

In Bs case he is literally ignored by everyone except a few in a party simply due to IKs populist appeal.

General B might become a mental patient as he rarely leaves his abode. Worse still, his sons are already sidelined, and soon, grandkids might face the same music. Word on the street is they looking to shift to California somehow.

 

[Jamie]

Imran Khan was being used as a pawn and he was also being selfish?

Take it like this. A person knocks on your door and offer’s you popularity, power and complete annilation of your opponent’s in return for you to share ruling with him. And you agree but only to find out you have let a wolf in your pen of sheeps, then cry wolf.
Who would you blame?

 

[Oscar]

WHO is creating division in the unity of army now?

Camps have existed in militaries well before Pakistan was founded and exist in MANY first rate military organizations(and corporations) today as well.

Depending upon the culture of the people it is amplified but the situation in Pakistan unfortunately has always been like this in Every state org… but it shows you that even Microsoft has these issues.

 

[Forsvaret]

A person knocks on your door and offer’s you popularity…

Eh - Imran Khan has never been low in popularity department. Are you talking about Showbaz sharif?

 

[Oscar]

Take it like this. A person knocks on your door and offer’s you popularity, power and complete annilation of your opponent’s in return for you to share ruling with him. And you agree but only to find out you have let a wolf in your pen of sheeps, then cry wolf.
Who would you blame?

I vividly remember Army troops blocking off all other representatives other than PTI into the election booths/offices and these educated middle class PTI workers actually jeering on the military personnel to “Shoot these animals”

Unfortunately, unless the recognition of own ills is done - no PTI or even “Jesus descending onto Faisal Mosque’s minaret from the sky” will change anything

 

[Forsvaret]

I vividly remember Army troops blocking off all other representatives other than PTI into the election booths/offices and these educated middle class PTI workers actually jeering on the military personnel to “Shoot these animals”

What goes around comes around - always!

 

[PakFactor]

Camps have existed in militaries well before Pakistan was founded and exist in MANY first rate military organizations(and corporations) today as well.

Depending upon the culture of the people it is amplified but the situation in Pakistan unfortunately has always been like this in Every state org… but it shows you that even Microsoft has these issues.

I like the chart; to take it further, often in these multi-national corporations, the top executive board will have their own managers in the mid-level section of the company (in each department) to control and break the movement up and down as per the board.

In the Arab world and Africa, it's often these mid-grade officers who revolt and push the momentum. It just shows in the current setup in the Pak military that juniors are firmly in favor.

 

[Jamie]

Eh - Imran Khan was never low in popularity department. Are you talking about Showbaz sharif?

No… you would be delusional to think he wasn’t propped up into politics.
Literally whole propaganda houses and misinformation centers catapulted him way ahead of the competition.
Certain news channels and anchors did favorable coverage of his party and threw dirt on the rest.

Despite having the shittiest tenure in kpk with massive corruption and incompetence they were propped up to be a savior of Pakistan.
Kabhi tu ummat ka leader, kabhi visionary, kabhi liberal values ka champion.
Your just a sheep , product of this entire system created to aid him.

 

[Oscar]

Eh - Imran Khan has never been low in popularity department. Are you talking about Showbaz sharif?

His political popularity jumped post 2011 and the container protests weren’t all organic.
To simply not acknowledge it on cultish ideals is folly

 

[Forsvaret]

Certain news channels and anchors did favorable coverage of his party and threw dirt on the rest.

Lol! The entire power of PTI has always been social media. WHO the F watches old media these days? Certainly not the youth - that is overwhelmingly PTI supporters.

 

[Forsvaret]

Despite having the shittiest tenure in kpk with massive corruption and incompetence they were propped up to be a savior of Pakistan.

And? Did PTI’s alternative (PDM govt) “save” Pakistan since 2022?

 

[Forsvaret]

His political popularity jumped post 2011 and the container protests weren’t all organic.

Yeah - that’s why establishment had to block PTI’s election win on February 8 2024 when it’s popularity finally became organic. PTI is going to be hated regardless. Such is the bughaz against it.