Danger of US giving Saudis F35s: Golden opportunity for normalization slipping away? - analysis

You're mentally slave just like Pakistan, and you're most lazy people on earth you can't change this facts and your blah blah blah egoistic nonsense is not worth here, You're more like a Saudi version of Turkish guy named MMM-E who always doing propaganda about how great Turkey is lol
You are an ignorant troll, have shown this time and time in numerous threads, so why should I take your nonsense seriously?

What I talk about are historical facts and facts on the ground. MMM-E is talking about what might happen in the future mostly. Not comparable.

It is not about being great or not being great it is about countering ignorant trolls like you with FACTS to disprove your nonsense.

Some of the oldest recorded civilizations and cities in the world. All found in what is modern-day KSA from Al-Magar, Dilmun, Sumer, Nabateans, Qedarites, Edomites, Amorites, LIhyan, Al-Ula, Kindah and 10's upon 10's of ancient culture and civilizations well recorded, aside from the entire Islamic heritage from Rashidun, Umayyad Abbasid, Fatimid etc., including 3-4 of the 11 largest empires (let alone some of the most influential culturally, religiously, linguistically, in terms of architecture and science left etc.) in history being founded by people from modern-day KSA (Arabia) disprove your ignorant notion of laziness.

So do data/facts on the ground such as the rapid industrialization of KSA, local booming military sector, economic performances, economic diversification, educational standards in KSA and of Saudi Arabians (International rankings, scientific output per capital etc.) All disprove of your nonsense.

But carry on polluting/derailing/trolling this thread.

If Washington do sells high tech F35 military equipment to Saudis Arabia they all come with restrictions.
More unsubstantiated nonsense. KSA never has had any military restrictions but always got what we paid for. Zero restrictions on the F-15SA (one of the best versions out there in fact), no restrictions on THAAD, Patriots, AWACS and other key tech that was bought.

You are just a pathetic hater that does nothing but write ignorant/false one-liners in Arab-related threads. I have seen you doing it numerous times already.

@The SC kindly deal with those trolls. Not only are they writing utter ignorant nonsense, stupid one-liners that add nothing to the discussion but they have been doing it in numerous Arab-related threads on this forum. You should know this as it is very easy to see that it is the same users time and time again.

In no other section on this forum is this tolerated by moderators. It should not be the case here either.

I am dealing with them lightly out of respect for Pakistan and Pakistanis here that are not hostile but if their insults are seemingly not dealt with and they continue derailing/trolling threads constantly, it is hard to keep ignoring this.
 
Continue your gibberish and nonsense your ego to have better than any Muslim country , Tell me what the defense products you created, what economics areyou talking about? if we eliminate oil from your economy you become Zero and can I ask what construction projects are Designed and developed By Saudi companies? all of your civil projects are designed and developed by Foreign companies

And we also have much much older heritage site than you like Mohen Jo Daro, Marhgar etc etc which consider first major civilization comparable to Mesotomia (Iraq) and Egyptian civilizations

And your all historical sites are in Hijaz Not in Najd, And Najd is not important at all and remain Un-important, Hijaz is always remains Important and will remains Important until Judgement day will come



Besides KSA is the third richest country on the planet when it comes to natural resources and mineral wealth. Oil is one component.

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Oil does not even make up 50% of our revenues anymore, we are quickly diversifying away from oil, clown.

Some of the largest construction firms in the Muslim world are Saudi Arabian firms, clown.


No you don't, Al-Magar alone is older than all of those. Dilmun on our Eastern side (Eastern Arabia) is a contemporary of the oldest Pakistani civilization (IVC).

In fact it was our Arab/Semitic (civilizations native to Arabia and the Arab world) that described IVC first. The oldest written records are from our ancestors. We don't even know the names of the rulers of the IVC while we have the names of contemporary rulers in Arabia (Dilmun and Sumer).

Anyway you are the one making comparisons not me.

Utter nonsense, there are ancient historical sites all across KSA and every historical region of Arabia within KSA and outside of KSA.

And I am from Hijaz clown as well and last time I checked Hijaz is a key region of KSA, not a foreign area.

@The SC this troll is continuing his trolling, ignorant posting, insults and derailing of this thread as he has done from the very beginning.

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7- Artificial Intelligence and Technology Agreements
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10- Investments with Google
11- Investments with AMD
12- AI Data Centers
13- Agreements between Aramco and Woodside
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15- Agreements between Aramco and Commonwealth
16- Infrastructure Deals with AECOM
17- Infrastructure Deals with Parsons
18- Deals with National Security Agency
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Lapid: Sale of F-35s to Saudis was never part of normalization talks​


Opposition Leader Yair Lapid lashes out against the government’s “weakness,” following media reports that Israel does not object to the United States supplying Saudi Arabia with F-35 stealth fighter jets.

“As someone who participated in dozens of discussions on a normalization arrangement with Saudi Arabia, an F-35 deal was never part of a normalization agreement, because it was clear that Israel’s security requires maintaining its qualitative military edge,” states Lapid.

“It is unacceptable that due to the weakness of the government, we are giving up on Israeli security interests and allowing the F-35 deal.”

Israel has insisted that any transfer of such advanced aircraft be conditioned on the normalization of relations between Riyadh and Jerusalem, Channel 12 and Axios reported on Saturday.


Keep crying.

As we say in KSA:

كل زق كل زق

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Many claims online, difficult to know what is genuine but as I wrote, if the US backtracks or Israel/Zionist lobby succeeds in torpedoing this deal in the last second, I think that KSA should draw some serious conclusions and afterwards go all in with China. If it means getting on badly with the US/West short-term, so be it, if the benefits long-term are greater. KSA cannot be taken hostage by the Zionist lobby in the US and if KSA wants to lose (potentially) a trusted 80 year old partner like KSA in a key region of the world to China/Russia or others, it is their problem.
 
they will not sell any F-35's tech to KSA never



It's ok US have a back door to shut them off in case the operators misbehave …. lol .And why would any Arab country still want to buy fighter jets from the US knowing right US always favours Israel ??... these people are just born.idiots.
 
Clown, when there was no oil in sight, we Arabs were ruling/dominating the Muslim world/much of the world (from France to China) for 1000 years from the Rashidun to Abbasid ending in 1517. Arabs were much more powerful and influential (why we have influenced every single Muslim country linguistically, culturally, religiously and on numerous other fronts, including huge areas of the non-Muslim world), long before oil and gas.

Besides KSA is the third richest country on the planet when it comes to natural resources and mineral wealth. Oil is one component.

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But you are too stupid and ignorant to even know the basics.

Oil does not even make up 50% of our revenues anymore, we are quickly diversifying away from oil, clown.

Some of the largest construction firms in the Muslim world are Saudi Arabian firms, clown.


No you don't, Al-Magar alone is older than all of those. Dilmun on our Eastern side (Eastern Arabia) is a contemporary of the oldest Pakistani civilization (IVC).

In fact it was our Arab/Semitic (civilizations native to Arabia and the Arab world) that described IVC first. The oldest written records are from our ancestors. We don't even know the names of the rulers of the IVC while we have the names of contemporary rulers in Arabia (Dilmun and Sumer).

Anyway you are the one making comparisons not me.

Utter nonsense, there are ancient historical sites all across KSA and every historical region of Arabia within KSA and outside of KSA.

And I am from Hijaz clown as well and last time I checked Hijaz is a key region of KSA, not a foreign area.

@The SC this troll is continuing his trolling, ignorant posting, insults and derailing of this thread as he has done from the very beginning.

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6- Civil Nuclear Program
7- Artificial Intelligence and Technology Agreements
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Lapid: Sale of F-35s to Saudis was never part of normalization talks​


Opposition Leader Yair Lapid lashes out against the government’s “weakness,” following media reports that Israel does not object to the United States supplying Saudi Arabia with F-35 stealth fighter jets.

“As someone who participated in dozens of discussions on a normalization arrangement with Saudi Arabia, an F-35 deal was never part of a normalization agreement, because it was clear that Israel’s security requires maintaining its qualitative military edge,” states Lapid.

“It is unacceptable that due to the weakness of the government, we are giving up on Israeli security interests and allowing the F-35 deal.”

Israel has insisted that any transfer of such advanced aircraft be conditioned on the normalization of relations between Riyadh and Jerusalem, Channel 12 and Axios reported on Saturday.


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Many claims online, difficult to know what is genuine but as I wrote, if the US backtracks or Israel/Zionist lobby succeeds in torpedoing this deal in the last second, I think that KSA should draw some serious conclusions and afterwards go all in with China. If it means getting on badly with the US/West short-term, so be it, if the benefits long-term are greater. KSA cannot be taken hostage by the Zionist lobby in the US and if KSA wants to lose (potentially) a trusted 80 year old partner like KSA in a key region of the world to China/Russia or others, it is their problem.

israel should develop her own f 35 with other country maybe japan or india we have the capbiliteis we dont have the money we need to be indeependent from the usa
 
What fact and data you showed to me, I only saw your ego from your all these posts from begging same as MMM-E

Sorry dude your mental disability has no cure lol
@The SC can you deal with this mentally ill troll and his low-IQ posts, numerous troll posts, unmotivated insults, off-topic nonsense posts etc.? He has a long history of trolling Arab-related threads and seemingly he is allowed to break forum rules constantly without any consequences.

Nobody is interested reading his stupid and ignorant and lying one-liners either. He adds nothing to the discussions.

Not a single one of his stupid posts are on-topic or should be left standing.

Posts 72, 77, 79, 81, 85 and 88.

I have had enough of this troll and his unmotivated insults. See who started the trolling and insults and who contributes nothing and is completely ignorant, I schooled him throughout by posting historical facts, data and everything, but the clown is incapable of understanding even English! You can freely delete my posts aimed to him which are off-topic in nature as well.
 
You are an ignorant troll, have shown this time and time in numerous threads, so why should I take your nonsense seriously?

What I talk about are historical facts and facts on the ground. MMM-E is talking about what might happen in the future mostly. Not comparable.

It is not about being great or not being great it is about countering ignorant trolls like you with FACTS to disprove your nonsense.

Some of the oldest recorded civilizations and cities in the world. All found in what is modern-day KSA from Al-Magar, Dilmun, Sumer, Nabateans, Qedarites, Edomites, Amorites, LIhyan, Al-Ula, Kindah and 10's upon 10's of ancient culture and civilizations well recorded, aside from the entire Islamic heritage from Rashidun, Umayyad Abbasid, Fatimid etc., including 3-4 of the 11 largest empires (let alone some of the most influential culturally, religiously, linguistically, in terms of architecture and science left etc.) in history being founded by people from modern-day KSA (Arabia) disprove your ignorant notion of laziness.

So do data/facts on the ground such as the rapid industrialization of KSA, local booming military sector, economic performances, economic diversification, educational standards in KSA and of Saudi Arabians (International rankings, scientific output per capital etc.) All disprove of your nonsense.

But carry on polluting/derailing/trolling this thread.


More unsubstantiated nonsense. KSA never has had any military restrictions but always got what we paid for. Zero restrictions on the F-15SA (one of the best versions out there in fact), no restrictions on THAAD, Patriots, AWACS and other key tech that was bought.

You are just a pathetic hater that does nothing but write ignorant/false one-liners in Arab-related threads. I have seen you doing it numerous times already.

@The SC kindly deal with those trolls. Not only are they writing utter ignorant nonsense, stupid one-liners that add nothing to the discussion but they have been doing it in numerous Arab-related threads on this forum. You should know this as it is very easy to see that it is the same users time and time again.

In no other section on this forum is this tolerated by moderators. It should not be the case here either.

I am dealing with them lightly out of respect for Pakistan and Pakistanis here that are not hostile but if their insults are seemingly not dealt with and they continue derailing/trolling threads constantly, it is hard to keep ignoring this.
No name calling..please
 
@The SC can you deal with this mentally ill troll and his low-IQ posts, numerous troll posts, unmotivated insults, off-topic nonsense posts etc.? He has a long history of trolling Arab-related threads and seemingly he is allowed to break forum rules constantly without any consequences.

Nobody is interested reading his stupid and ignorant and lying one-liners either. He adds nothing to the discussions.

Not a single one of his stupid posts are on-topic or should be left standing.

Posts 72, 77, 79, 81, 85 and 88.

I have had enough of this troll and his unmotivated insults. See who started the trolling and insults and who contributes nothing and is completely ignorant, I schooled him throughout by posting historical facts, data and everything, but the clown is incapable of understanding even English! You can freely delete my posts aimed to him which are off-topic in nature as well.
He was warned..
 
No name calling..please
See posts 72, 77, 79, 81, 85 and 88 in this thread and his unmotivated insults, complete and utter shameless lies against Arabs and KSA. He adds zero to this section and thread. Look at his user history, not the first time he is trolling. His nonsense, which I easily disproved and countered, is not only off-topic but very low in quality and as I said ignorant nonsense that has nothing to do with the reality.

His posts should be deleted from this thread as it derails the thread and it is all off-topic content.

ok, and what you contributed on this thread other than your retarded ego, I came here first time in Arab section, And I'm not interested about Arab shite, I'm mostly confined to Pakistani section or Indian or Chinese section, may be on Iranian section, I'm out of here bye bye you troll
Anyone reading my long and informative posts, when not engaging ignorant and stupid trolls like you who do nothing but write lies and nonsense, can se what.

Now tell me what your nonsense has contributed to in this thread? Nothing, zero, only stupid nonsense. You were the one that started derailing and writing nonsense (Western slaves - you must be confusing yourself and your ancestors with that - as I wrote to you KSA was never colonized or enslaved by the West or anybody for that matter, we did the conquering/rule/influencing in Europe/West). So as I wrote, you are projecting your inferiority complexes against people who have nothing to do with it.

Seems like you are, since your stupidity brought you here polluting this thread and section as previously. You fit nicely in some Indian/South Asian slum indeed, speaking about shite, good luck there, Arab-obsessed and Arabized troll.
 
Because KSA and Pakistan are long-term allies since almost the very beginning and KSA founded the Pakistani nuclear program (with likely access to nuclear bombs too as part of the deal - pretty much an open secret - hence the deal with Chinese missiles that are mostly only intended to carry nuclear warheads as far back as late 1980's) and because something that was informal for decades, is now written into a security pact.

100% sure that there are nuclear warheads stationed in KSA right now while we speak courtesy of Pakistan. Since the 1990's (King Fahd era). Many CIA briefings and officers (retired) confirm it also in the open.

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2- 60 F-15EX Fighter Jets
3- F-15SA Upgrade
4- Boeing 737-8 Aircraft
5- Patriot Air Defense Suite
6- Civil Nuclear Program
7- Artificial Intelligence and Technology Agreements
8- Supply of Thousands of NVIDIA Chips
9- Investments with Oracle
10- Investments with Google
11- Investments with AMD
12- AI Data Centers
13- Agreements between Aramco and Woodside
14- Agreements between Aramco and Energy
15- Agreements between Aramco and Commonwealth
16- Infrastructure Deals with AECOM
17- Infrastructure Deals with Parsons
18- Deals with National Security Agency
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Lapid: Sale of F-35s to Saudis was never part of normalization talks​


Opposition Leader Yair Lapid lashes out against the government’s “weakness,” following media reports that Israel does not object to the United States supplying Saudi Arabia with F-35 stealth fighter jets.

“As someone who participated in dozens of discussions on a normalization arrangement with Saudi Arabia, an F-35 deal was never part of a normalization agreement, because it was clear that Israel’s security requires maintaining its qualitative military edge,” states Lapid.

“It is unacceptable that due to the weakness of the government, we are giving up on Israeli security interests and allowing the F-35 deal.”

Israel has insisted that any transfer of such advanced aircraft be conditioned on the normalization of relations between Riyadh and Jerusalem, Channel 12 and Axios reported on Saturday.


Keep crying.

As we say in KSA:

كل زق كل زق


What is that? Are you referring to Pakistan-India skirmishes? Was the J-35 ever used? In other words when has the J-35 ever been used in a war situation and proven its worth like the F-35 has done in numerous conflicts most recently within Iran when it had a free reign to do what it wanted?

As far as I am aware of, the Chinese are not even exporting the J-35 yet to anybody.

Well, this visit of MBS has a very strong over time foundations..negotiations about all the above were going on for quite some time now..he is going to the US to seal these deals, nothing less nothing more..

*Actually the J-35 deal for Pakistan was confirmed by both sides.. delivery next year..
 
It's ok US have a back door to shut them off in case the operators misbehave …. lol .And why would any Arab country still want to buy fighter jets from the US knowing right US always favours Israel ??... these people are just born.idiots.
They have two different systems on the F-35..one is tracked from US soil and accepted by some NATO member, and another one not communication wise related to the US.. Italy and Norway and maybe others chose the latter..
 

Danger of US giving Saudis F35s: Golden opportunity for normalization slipping away? - analysis​

The Trump administration might sell F-35s to Saudi Arabia without Riyadh agreeing to recognise Jerusalem, in a move that could shake up the Middle East.​

A US Marine Corps F-35 takes off from the former Roosevelt Roads Naval Station airport in Ceiba, Puerto Rico, November 3, 2025.
A US Marine Corps F-35 takes off from the former Roosevelt Roads Naval Station airport in Ceiba, Puerto Rico, November 3, 2025.(photo credit: REUTERS/RICARDO ARDUENGO)ByYONAH JEREMY BOBNOVEMBER 5, 2025 18:14Updated: NOVEMBER 6, 2025 10:01
Two data points could signal a geopolitical and security earthquake in the Middle East.

The Pentagon has given a preliminary nod to selling F-35s to Saudi Arabia, and the Trump administration may carry out this deal without conditioning it on normalization between Riyadh and Jerusalem.

How are these two points issues, and why are they potential game-changers?

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Until now, only democracies have been sold the F-35.

Mostly the US, European countries, Japan, and South Korea.

Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman speaks with U.S. President Donald Trump on the day of the Saudi-U.S. Investment Forum, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, May 13, 2025. (credit: REUTERS/BRIAN SNYDER)
Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman speaks with U.S. President Donald Trump on the day of the Saudi-U.S. Investment Forum, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, May 13, 2025. (credit: REUTERS/BRIAN SNYDER)No country with even a hint of military hostility to Israel or any potential ally of Iran has been sold the aircraft.

When Turkey purchased Russia’s S-400 anti-aircraft missile system, the US kicked them out of the F-35 potential buyers program.

F-35 gave Israel a military edge

The F-35 is the world’s premier aircraft with stealth capabilities that can run circles around most countries’ air defenses.
Most importantly, it allows Israel to run circles around Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, the Houthis, and Hamas’s air defenses.

It is the largest reason why the Jewish state succeeded at setting back the Islamic Republic’s nuclear program by two years and achieved another unprecedented achievement against the ayatollahs.


It is the tip of the spear for Israel’s maintaining of its “qualitative advantage” over its adversaries, though they far outnumber the Jewish state’s population and surround Israel on several fronts.

The Saudis, in general, are much closer to the US and Europe than to Eastern countries.

They are also part of an unspoken and unofficial Middle East security alliance with Israel and other Sunni countries against Tehran.

But they have also flirted with alliances with Russia and China, and have signed deals with Iran, which, however unlikely, could also have led to alliances.


If Riyadh gets the F-35 and shares the technology with Russia, China, or Iran, Israel’s qualitative edge over Tehran could be compromised, and it could also face other issues with Beijing and Moscow, which currently have a deep respect for Israel’s military.

This came up in 2020 when the US almost sold the F-35 to the UAE at the height of the wave of the Abraham Accords.

At the time, it seemed like the Israeli political echelon was reluctantly not publicly objecting, but top defense officials were very concerned about the move and breathed a sigh of relief when it fell through due to a variety of other issues.


But one of the reasons that Israel was somewhat ready to swallow the UAE receiving the F-35 was that the UAE had crossed the Rubicon and normalized ties with Jerusalem.

In other words, Israel got a major strategic win, and so it was willing to keep its mouth shut about a potential strategic problem.

Further, the very fact that the UAE normalized relations with Israel in some ways made it less likely, though not impossible, that it would pass on the sensitive F-35 technology to Israeli adversaries.

Here, the Trump administration may finalize the sale to the Saudis without any commitment to normalization.


Israeli supporters would hope that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will find the perfect mix of negotiations in which his ending the war and giving Sunni Arab countries a major hand in Gaza will help get Trump to insist on Jerusalem-Riyadh normalization as part of the price for the F-35 deal, if such a deal happens.

This had always been the expectation before October 7.

But Netanyahu has become even more resistant to any concessions toward the Palestinians, even those in the West Bank not involved in the invasion, following the war, and the Saudis are as adamant as ever that they cannot normalize and be seen as deserting the Palestinians completely.

This is why, with no deal yet on how the Saudis, the UAE, Egypt, the Palestinian Authority, former British prime minister Tony Blair, and others will eventually manage Gaza, and at the same time, with news of the Pentagon moving forward on an F-35 deal with the Saudis, Israeli defense observers would be very concerned.

The next steps on the F-35 issue and Saudi normalization will be pivotal.

Giving the F-35 to the Saudis could create serious risks to Israeli security in the future.

But giving the F-35 to Riyadh with Israel missing its chance at normalization, or at least losing the issue as leverage, would be far worse.

Israel could augment its qualitative military superiority for air-to-air battle by acquiring the US-made F-22 fighter jet, and it could try to get into the bidding for the F-47, which is due to start replacing the F-22 sometime in 2028.

There was a moment in 2020 when the US was considering selling the F-35 to the UAE, where it considered selling the F-22 to Israel as compensation, but the idea never advanced further.

This idea could be explored again if the Saudis do acquire the F-35, but it would still be a poor substitute for achieving normalization or for keeping Israel as the only Middle Eastern country with fifth-generation aircraft.
This entire article made me laugh, but the following made me cackle like a mad man...

Israel could augment its qualitative military superiority for air-to-air battle by acquiring the US-made F-22 fighter jet, and it could try to get into the bidding for the F-47, which is due to start replacing the F-22 sometime in 2028.
No, the US is not ever going to sell F-22s to anyone, including Israel, because their F-22 production facilities no longer exist.

And no, the F47 is not going to start replacing the F-22s by 2028. No one has claimed this, not even the US.

Whoever wrote this article is a fucking clown.
 
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They have two different systems on the F-35..one is tracked from US soil and accepted by some NATO member, and another one not communication wise related to the US.. Italy and Norway and maybe others chose the latter..



Some Europeans are smart. Of kill switch. Portugal abandoned the idea of buying them and will buy an European alternative instead.
 
@The SC

Can you delete my replies to the NGAD IS THE BEST user as well? It is only fair to both of us if my replies to him are also deleted even though he started the unmotivated insults, ignorant posts etc. and trolling in this thread, as you and everyone else also saw/could see.

Post 76, first part of post 77 (until the "next page part which is on topic), my short reply to him in post 80 and post 82.

You also left his original post (now post 70). But you can leave that so people can see my reply to that post which contains no personal insult.

I know that it is not easy to be a moderator.

@NGAD IS THE BEST I know that you hate Arabs and that you started the insults in this thread, also previous threads that I saw in the Arab section (hence my reaction to your posts) but nevertheless, I should not have gone down to your level and I do apologize for my insults aimed at you. That adds nothing good to the discussion either even though this is off-topic.

All I ask for you and similar users, is not to derail/troll serious threads.

For all I care you can open a separate thread called "Arabs are evil" and post anti-Arab content there. I will not bother you and others in that thread but leave this section (Arab one) alone if trolling. Thank you.

Some Europeans are smart. Of kill switch. Portugal abandoned the idea of buying them and will buy an European alternative instead.
Your own UK (which barely has an army left compared to the heights of the UK), their most advanced fighter jet is the F-35. In fact all the Europeans combined have nothing even comparable to the F-35 in terms of technology. Not even the Russians, let alone rest of Europe. The Europeans cannot even create something as powerful as the F-35. GCC/KSA is already flying the best that Europe can produce (UK and French fighter jets).
 
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Well, this visit of MBS has a very strong over time foundations..negotiations about all the above were going on for quite some time now..he is going to the US to seal these deals, nothing less nothing more..

*Actually the J-35 deal for Pakistan was confirmed by both sides.. delivery next year..
No doubt that the Chinese have made enormous progress technology wise in recent years and decades. I have no doubt that the J-35 is a very potent fighter.

However the fact remains that it has never been proven in a war or battle zone. At least from what I am aware of. So it is impossible to know if it is comparable to the F-35 in terms of performance and capabilities.

If the US refuses to sell the F-35 to KSA, I am all for going for the best possible/available Chinese option.

I believe that we should have cordial ties with both the US and China. We don't need to choose any sides. With all due respect their rivalry/likely future war, we are not a part of it nor in the vicinity of such a conflict. We are not part of any US or China led defense pacts, NATO or anything like that. We were aligned with the West during the Cold War but that world order has long ended and today we are in a multipolar world.

We should look for our own interests (as is being done) and seek the benefits of both parties (as is being done) whenever possible. The most important thing is for KSA to remain safe, secure and prosperous. Rest is secondary.
 

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