hasssanali8998
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yes , may 2025 .
Danger of US giving Saudis F35s: Golden opportunity for normalization slipping away? - analysis
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_Arabia_
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Because KSA and Pakistan are long-term allies since almost the very beginning and KSA founded the Pakistani nuclear program (with likely access to nuclear bombs too as part of the deal - pretty much an open secret - hence the deal with Chinese missiles that are mostly only intended to carry nuclear warheads as far back as late 1980's) and because something that was informal for decades, is now written into a security pact.
100% sure that there are nuclear warheads stationed in KSA right now while we speak courtesy of Pakistan. Since the 1990's (King Fahd era). Many CIA briefings and officers (retired) confirm it also in the open.
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Absolutely crazy if this can be accomplished by MbS and the leadership involved.
Expected Deals This Week
1- 48 F-35 Stealth Fighter Jets
2- 60 F-15EX Fighter Jets
3- F-15SA Upgrade
4- Boeing 737-8 Aircraft
5- Patriot Air Defense Suite
6- Civil Nuclear Program
7- Artificial Intelligence and Technology Agreements
8- Supply of Thousands of NVIDIA Chips
9- Investments with Oracle
10- Investments with Google
11- Investments with AMD
12- AI Data Centers
13- Agreements between Aramco and Woodside
14- Agreements between Aramco and Energy
15- Agreements between Aramco and Commonwealth
16- Infrastructure Deals with AECOM
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18- Deals with National Security Agency
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Zionist telegram channels crying.
Lapid: Sale of F-35s to Saudis was never part of normalization talks
Opposition Leader Yair Lapid lashes out against the government’s “weakness,” following media reports that Israel does not object to the United States supplying Saudi Arabia with F-35 stealth fighter jets.
“As someone who participated in dozens of discussions on a normalization arrangement with Saudi Arabia, an F-35 deal was never part of a normalization agreement, because it was clear that Israel’s security requires maintaining its qualitative military edge,” states Lapid.
“It is unacceptable that due to the weakness of the government, we are giving up on Israeli security interests and allowing the F-35 deal.”
Israel has insisted that any transfer of such advanced aircraft be conditioned on the normalization of relations between Riyadh and Jerusalem, Channel 12 and Axios reported on Saturday.
Keep crying.
As we say in KSA:
كل زق كل زق
What is that? Are you referring to Pakistan-India skirmishes? Was the J-35 ever used? In other words when has the J-35 ever been used in a war situation and proven its worth like the F-35 has done in numerous conflicts most recently within Iran when it had a free reign to do what it wanted?
As far as I am aware of, the Chinese are not even exporting the J-35 yet to anybody.
hasssanali8998
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yeah you guys almost defaulted bcs you gave us free oil after the embargo, thanks for that
Trailer23
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Make your argument/case, but don't pull that stunt here...
_Arabia_
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yeah you guys almost defaulted bcs you gave us free oil after the embargo, thanks for that
Later KSA (back in 2004 or 2005) wrote off all of Pakistan's debt.
You have to know that KSA was involved in the Libyan and Iraqi nuclear program as well and also gained something from this support.
KSA was also involved in hosting/paying for/hosting a few (almost unknown) WW2 Nazi German scientists that escaped. Most of them later died in Syria and Egypt. Main reason why Arabs pioneered missile technology in the Muslim world in early times. Many of those projects were delayed/destroyed due to CIA/Mossad assassinations, wars, attacks, invasions etc. but some of the knowledge remained.
This is as far back as 70-60 years ago:
This is why our most talented scientists, their identity is not publicly known anymore or they are using aliases even when publishing papers.
Uranium excavations in recent years in KSA with Chinese partners (government), KSA holds around 5% of the world's reserves, and you can make your own conclusions.
The stunt is facts on the ground. The arguments were made but when the troll is writing nonsense about KSA that is easily disproven by simple data, it is hard to not show him the mirror. If you disrespect me by trolling or my people or country, don't expect roses in return. I was very light on him anyway, his trolling/derailing deserved worse. But strange that you ignore his trolling (which he started) and take 1 sentence of mine out of almost 500 (or so) in this thread. Unless the goal is to derail this thread as well/troll or this news possibly getting you angry.
Pakman1
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Zionist and genocider’s prespective doesn’t matterDanger of US giving Saudis F35s: Golden opportunity for normalization slipping away? - analysis
The Trump administration might sell F-35s to Saudi Arabia without Riyadh agreeing to recognise Jerusalem, in a move that could shake up the Middle East.
A US Marine Corps F-35 takes off from the former Roosevelt Roads Naval Station airport in Ceiba, Puerto Rico, November 3, 2025.(photo credit: REUTERS/RICARDO ARDUENGO)ByYONAH JEREMY BOBNOVEMBER 5, 2025 18:14Updated: NOVEMBER 6, 2025 10:01
Two data points could signal a geopolitical and security earthquake in the Middle East.
The Pentagon has given a preliminary nod to selling F-35s to Saudi Arabia, and the Trump administration may carry out this deal without conditioning it on normalization between Riyadh and Jerusalem.
How are these two points issues, and why are they potential game-changers?
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Until now, only democracies have been sold the F-35.
Mostly the US, European countries, Japan, and South Korea.
Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman speaks with U.S. President Donald Trump on the day of the Saudi-U.S. Investment Forum, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, May 13, 2025. (credit: REUTERS/BRIAN SNYDER)No country with even a hint of military hostility to Israel or any potential ally of Iran has been sold the aircraft.
When Turkey purchased Russia’s S-400 anti-aircraft missile system, the US kicked them out of the F-35 potential buyers program.
F-35 gave Israel a military edge
The F-35 is the world’s premier aircraft with stealth capabilities that can run circles around most countries’ air defenses.
Most importantly, it allows Israel to run circles around Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, the Houthis, and Hamas’s air defenses.
It is the largest reason why the Jewish state succeeded at setting back the Islamic Republic’s nuclear program by two years and achieved another unprecedented achievement against the ayatollahs.
It is the tip of the spear for Israel’s maintaining of its “qualitative advantage” over its adversaries, though they far outnumber the Jewish state’s population and surround Israel on several fronts.
The Saudis, in general, are much closer to the US and Europe than to Eastern countries.
They are also part of an unspoken and unofficial Middle East security alliance with Israel and other Sunni countries against Tehran.
But they have also flirted with alliances with Russia and China, and have signed deals with Iran, which, however unlikely, could also have led to alliances.
If Riyadh gets the F-35 and shares the technology with Russia, China, or Iran, Israel’s qualitative edge over Tehran could be compromised, and it could also face other issues with Beijing and Moscow, which currently have a deep respect for Israel’s military.
This came up in 2020 when the US almost sold the F-35 to the UAE at the height of the wave of the Abraham Accords.
At the time, it seemed like the Israeli political echelon was reluctantly not publicly objecting, but top defense officials were very concerned about the move and breathed a sigh of relief when it fell through due to a variety of other issues.
But one of the reasons that Israel was somewhat ready to swallow the UAE receiving the F-35 was that the UAE had crossed the Rubicon and normalized ties with Jerusalem.
In other words, Israel got a major strategic win, and so it was willing to keep its mouth shut about a potential strategic problem.
Further, the very fact that the UAE normalized relations with Israel in some ways made it less likely, though not impossible, that it would pass on the sensitive F-35 technology to Israeli adversaries.
Here, the Trump administration may finalize the sale to the Saudis without any commitment to normalization.
Israeli supporters would hope that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will find the perfect mix of negotiations in which his ending the war and giving Sunni Arab countries a major hand in Gaza will help get Trump to insist on Jerusalem-Riyadh normalization as part of the price for the F-35 deal, if such a deal happens.
This had always been the expectation before October 7.
But Netanyahu has become even more resistant to any concessions toward the Palestinians, even those in the West Bank not involved in the invasion, following the war, and the Saudis are as adamant as ever that they cannot normalize and be seen as deserting the Palestinians completely.
This is why, with no deal yet on how the Saudis, the UAE, Egypt, the Palestinian Authority, former British prime minister Tony Blair, and others will eventually manage Gaza, and at the same time, with news of the Pentagon moving forward on an F-35 deal with the Saudis, Israeli defense observers would be very concerned.
The next steps on the F-35 issue and Saudi normalization will be pivotal.
Giving the F-35 to the Saudis could create serious risks to Israeli security in the future.
But giving the F-35 to Riyadh with Israel missing its chance at normalization, or at least losing the issue as leverage, would be far worse.
Israel could augment its qualitative military superiority for air-to-air battle by acquiring the US-made F-22 fighter jet, and it could try to get into the bidding for the F-47, which is due to start replacing the F-22 sometime in 2028.
There was a moment in 2020 when the US was considering selling the F-35 to the UAE, where it considered selling the F-22 to Israel as compensation, but the idea never advanced further.
This idea could be explored again if the Saudis do acquire the F-35, but it would still be a poor substitute for achieving normalization or for keeping Israel as the only Middle Eastern country with fifth-generation aircraft.
_Arabia_
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Are you done derailing this thread? You have no clues about KSA or the Pakistani community in KSA (largest in the world). You might be confusing KSA with the UAE that you supposedly are living in yourself. At least based on your flags. There are numerous Pakistanis based in KSA on this forum, I have talked to most of them, doing various types of work, and all of them had nothing but praise for KSA and our people who are famous worldwide for our Arabian hospitality.
As for mistreatment, a tiny minority engage in that and that impacts locals and every expat community as well and there are laws that guarantee every single right for everyone. Even the Kafala system has been abolished. Anyway if people don't like it in KSA, they can/are free to leave, yet KSA host one of the largest expat communities in the world and annually millions of illegals get deported because KSA gets flooded with people wanting to work and live in KSA from Africa, Asia etc.
BTW, there are 1000's upon 1000's of Pakistani illegal beggars, scam artists, thieves etc. (bad apples basically) in Makkah and Madinah and less said about their behavior the better. Many bad Pakistani apples as well but I am not stupid enough to base my whole impression on Pakistan and Pakistanis based on such peoples behavior.
This has even been raised by the government and the Pakistani government has promised to put a stop to this and educate/screen people before they visit for Hajj, Umrah or work.
Pakistan arrests 10 suspects for begging in Saudi Arabia under guise of Umrah
KARACHI: Pakistan’s Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) said on Sunday it has arrested 10 persons deported from Saudi Arabia for allegedly begging in the Kingdom despite traveling there on Umrah visas. The trend of beggars abusing visas to beg in foreign countries has Pakistan worried that it...
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Pakistan issues measures to combat beggars traveling to Saudi Arabia under Umrah visas
Pakistan’s government has implemented measures to clamp down on begging by some of its nationals in the Islamic holy sites in Saudi Arabia, following Riyadh’s recent urging of Islamabad to tackle t…
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Here are what Muslims from across the world are saying about this on Reddit:
That is only Makkah and Madinah, there are plenty of bad Pakistani apples (scammers, thieves, criminals) across the rest of KSA. But as usual, overall, we are talking about a minority here. Similarly with mistreatment by local Saudi Arabian idiots. I would assume that 99% of all Pakistani expats in KSA (from the taxi drivers to the highly educated segment), do not have much bad to say about either KSA or the people.
But always very easy to generalize entire populations/countries based on the bad apples in order to create an agenda.
More "genius" commentary from the usual suspect.
Genius, can you tell us who is KSA's "real enemy" and if that "real enemy" dares to attack KSA in the first place?
@The SC time to clean up the thread from troll posts and off-topic posts. Very annoying when the topic is completely different.
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Trailer23
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_Arabia_
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The Zionist meltdown online and that from certain politicians (this is just what they say in public, I can only imagine the frustration in private) and some of the meltdown among "Muslims" online (some Arabs included) is hilarious to witness.
But we can never underestimate the Zionist stronghold on the US, Zionists there and elsewhere are probably working 24/7 to somehow destroy this deal.
I have no illusions, this deal might very well end up being torpedoed by the Zionists at the very last second.
If that happens, the leadership should look fully towards China.
It is not just about the F-35, it is every strategic scope of the deal. They hate when the Land of the Two Holy Mosques, the land of Prophets (AS), Prophet Muhammad (saws) and the Sahaba (ra) is doing well and advancing while maintaining the principled, religious, moral, Arab and right demand of a two-state solution and a Palestinian statehood since the very beginning in 1948. They hate the Arab Peace Initiative (Saudi Arabian initiate) that has been (since 20-25 + years) officially endorsed by the entire Arab League, all individual Arab states and most important Fatah/West Bank and Hamas/Gaza itself.
But if our leadership can pull this deal off as It is reported with the elements mentioned, I will have to limit my criticism for a while on the fronts where I have other ideas.
No hurt feelings from my part.
But we can never underestimate the Zionist stronghold on the US, Zionists there and elsewhere are probably working 24/7 to somehow destroy this deal.
I have no illusions, this deal might very well end up being torpedoed by the Zionists at the very last second.
If that happens, the leadership should look fully towards China.
It is not just about the F-35, it is every strategic scope of the deal. They hate when the Land of the Two Holy Mosques, the land of Prophets (AS), Prophet Muhammad (saws) and the Sahaba (ra) is doing well and advancing while maintaining the principled, religious, moral, Arab and right demand of a two-state solution and a Palestinian statehood since the very beginning in 1948. They hate the Arab Peace Initiative (Saudi Arabian initiate) that has been (since 20-25 + years) officially endorsed by the entire Arab League, all individual Arab states and most important Fatah/West Bank and Hamas/Gaza itself.
But if our leadership can pull this deal off as It is reported with the elements mentioned, I will have to limit my criticism for a while on the fronts where I have other ideas.
No hurt feelings from my part.
NGAD IS THE BEST
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Na, even JAPAN 's and South Korean F-15s are way more advance than your F-15s, and you're the slave of the west
_Arabia_
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Nonsense. Stop projecting and don't talk about slaves when not a single Saudi Arabian in recorded history has ever been a slave of anyone, let alone the West, whom we ruled a very large portion of for almost 800 years and influenced on every front, linguistically, culturally, military, in terms of agriculture,
Arab Agricultural Revolution - Wikipedia
and in Spain and Portugal alone Arabs left almost 25 World UNESCO Heritage Sites.
KSA is the largest, richest and geopolitically most important nation in the region. Religiously (Makkah and Madinah, birthplace of Islam) culturally (Arabic and Islamic culture), linguistically (Arabic the by far most spoken language in the Muslim world and most influential - not a single language in the Muslim world that Arabic has not influenced tremendously, even influenced numerous European languages profoundly (Spanish, Portuguese - some of the most spoken languages in the world themselves), 1 of the 5 official UN languages) etc. as well.
I think, as usual, most non-KSA Muslims cannot understand the unique nature of KSA as a country (never colonized by the West, never influenced by the West like practically every single Muslim country has been), 100% "made in home" local bureaucracy, local rulers, system of governance etc. Meaning none of the typical complexes that many Muslim peoples deal with due to historical events involving the West, no Western-led/imposed coups etc.
That is besides including the imperial past and Arab Muslin conquests and some of the largest and most influential empires in history that were created and ruled by people from modern-day KSA (Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid, Fatimid Caliphates alone as well as 100's of kingdoms, sultanates, emirates, imamates, sheikdoms etc. across Europe, Africa, Asia, 800 + years of rule over Iberia, much of South Europe etc.).
I am not making any of this up, we have numerous Western authors themselves writing it. As well as the part about lack of complexes and how we view the world and West.
All while simultaneously having the biggest economic ties with China in the entire Muslim world, incredibly strategic military ties too (only Pakistan is at a similar level or eclipsing it due to the India angle), helping directly fund the Pakistani nuclear program (and most likely getting access to nuclear weapons as a result) etc.
In short, stop projecting your own countries and peoples experiences in regard to the West onto KSA and Saudi Arabians. We are completely different in this regard. History and facts on the ground prove it for the whole world to see. We are the descendants of Prophets (AS), Prophet Muhammad (saws) and the sahaba (ra). Nobody should forget this fact.
Posting several day old videos of Trump when the past few days Zionist politicians are crying more and more and complaining that KSA will not normalize with Israel?
I know that this news hurts you but as I wrote to you earlier in this thread, get used to it. KSA is the most important country in the region and going nowhere, just getting more powerful by each day on every front.
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The Equalizer
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I dont think there is a single true muslim anywhere, who would not be happy with a economically strong Arabia, which can defend itself against any foreign agression.
_Arabia_
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You are not familiar with the Arab "online sphere" or toxic Twitter (full of bots and crazy people). Hard to tell if they are real people or not.
Of course I am aware that most sincere/normal Muslims want the best for KSA and our people just like we want the best for other Muslim nations and peoples and the continued development of Muslim states in all spheres because eventually it will/should benefit all Muslims.
In fact as Muslims we should want the entire world/people to develop in the right way.
But nevertheless when I read some comments online (both in Arabic and English), it is hard for me to distinguish between the comments of Zionists and some Muslims. But I guess this is normal, not everyone has to like our country or people, would be strange if the case any way.
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