Egypt is considering the establishment of a factory for the production and assembly F-31/35

[hussain0216]

Of course not.
Egyptian, as Jordanian, are tired to have their a** kicked by israel. Now that they are in peace they just want to stay like that.

Greater israel.... an islamist point of view.

Greater Israel is a Zionist wet dream they are working towards, it's why it's vital Muslim nations take on and prepare for these Zionist and white western extremists

 

[BP2]

you are idiot, terrorist term is coined by your own countrymen emphasized by colonial powers later but i think you are former pjeet larper bonplane or something like that.

Islam is one thing.
Islamism another.
To pray Allah in a private mode, to respect the rules of the country where you migrated is fully respectable.
To try to impose sharia in the west, to cut the throat of those who don't agree, etc... is fully rejected. This is what is called islamism.

And Yes, I was Bon Plan. I was banned because on this specific forum we are far far less free to explain another point of view than on a french, an english, an idian forum (I'm a forumer on all these).

 

[Taimoor]

"Egypt is considering"

Title is rather amusing.

 

[lightning f57]

during the 6 days war or Kippour war Egypt was fitted with russian weapons and technicians, and no US money for hold them back.... so it's not the right answer.

We are like 50 years on, get with the times.

 

[Musings]

Jewish terrorist is a term coined by islamists.

Raping innocent
Committing genocide
Collective punishment
Killing 40,000 Palestinians
Killing people waiting for handouts
And let’s not forget blowing up hospitals - my take is they are beyond terrorists to be fair

 

[Sami_1]

China confirms sending its legendary fighters to Egypt to participate in the aviation and space exhibition​

Tuesday 09/03/2024 - 01:08 PM


A representative of the Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) confirmed during the first Egypt International Aviation and Space Show that his country has sent its legendary fighters to Egypt. The representative pointed out that China has sent the Y-20 transport aircraft and the J-10C fighter to participate in this international exhibition.

The J-20 is one of the world’s leading air-to-air combat aircraft, with a much longer range than most Western fighters and a much larger radar. Its avionics are also on par with those of the F-35.


The J-20’s proliferation and acquisition rate could have a significant impact on the balance of power in the Pacific, Military Watch notes. The J-20’s capabilities have improved rapidly between recent production batches, with the new WS-15 engine set to enter serial production in early 2023, boosting its ability to fly at speeds above Mach 2 and revolutionizing its performance at all speeds, enabling higher-altitude combat operations.

https://www.zatmisr.com/27121/الصين-تؤكد-إرسال-مقاتلاتها-الأسطورية-إلى-مصر-في-معرض-الطيران-والفضاء




I expect
that Egypt sign a deal on August 19, 2024, including 15 J-20 aircraft, in addition to the first deal for 12 J-10C aircraft. The Chinese are competing fiercely to manufacture the L-15 aircraft in Egypt in the training aircraft production line after developing the K-8E aircraft to the K8-NG level. The Chinese offer has been available since 2010 and is the least expensive among all offers.

 

[The SC]

Why did Egypt buy Chinese J-10C “Powerful Dragon” fighters?



Egypt purchased Chinese J-10C fighters for several strategic and tactical reasons, a step that reflects new trends in its defense and military policies.

Egypt signed an agreement with China to purchase J-10C fighter aircraft. The decision to acquire the J-10C, also known as the “Mighty Dragon,” comes amid speculation that Egypt is looking for alternatives to US proposals to upgrade its F-16 aircraft to the F-16V model.

Egypt currently operates American F-16s, Russian MiG-29s, and French Rafales, reflecting its military diversification strategy.

The J-10C is an advanced fourth-generation aircraft, making it primarily a geopolitical decision for Egypt. The deal, which was reported to have been signed on August 19, 2024, makes Egypt the second international customer for the J-10C, after Pakistan.

Diversifying its sources of armament: Egypt seeks to reduce its dependence on American and Russian military equipment by diversifying its sources of armament. This trend comes after negative experiences with some Russian equipment, such as the MiG-29 and Su-35 fighters.

Cost and efficiency: The J-10C fighters are an economical option compared to Western and Russian fighters, as they provide advanced combat capabilities at a lower cost.

Regional challenges: This step comes in light of Egypt's concern about regional threats, especially in light of tensions with Israel and some other countries in the region. Egypt seeks to enhance its defense capabilities to confront any potential threats.

Politics and geopolitics: This deal also reflects Egypt's new political and geographic orientations, as Cairo seeks to strengthen its relations with China as part of its strategy to reduce dependence on the United States and Western countries.

Advanced Technology: The J-10C fighters feature advanced combat capabilities that include electronic warfare systems and active electronically scanned (AESA) radar, making them a suitable replacement for Egypt's older F-16 fighters.

These factors combined make the deal to purchase J-10C fighters an important strategic step for Egypt in enhancing its defense capabilities and diversifying its armament sources.

Eurofighter and F-15 deal cancelled: Egypt was also looking to purchase 24 Eurofighter Typhoon multirole aircraft, 24 M346 jet trainers, and a surveillance satellite from Italy. However, this deal was also canceled possibly due to it not being provided with its full armament package.

In 2022. The United States offered Egypt F-15 fighter jets, canceling its plans to purchase Su-35 jets. But it seems that the offer was not well received by the Egyptian side.

Egypt wants to obtain the J-31


Egypt is seeking to acquire the Chinese J-31 fighter jet, a fifth-generation fighter aircraft characterized by advanced stealth capabilities. This aircraft is considered a competitor to American stealth aircraft such as the F-35.

The Commander of the Egyptian Air Force, Lieutenant General Mahmoud Fouad Abdel Gawad, and his Chinese counterpart, General Zhang Dengqiu, met in Beijing to discuss the possible transfer of J-10C and J-31 fighter aircraft as soon as possible.

The J-31 has several specifications that make it attractive to Egypt:

Stealth Technology: The J-31 is characterized by its ability to hide from radars, making it difficult to detect by enemy air defense systems.

Avionics:

• AESA KLJ-7A radar
• Distributed Aperture System (DAS) visual early warning system
• Electro-optical targeting system (EOTS)

Combat capabilities: Equipped with advanced weapon systems that include air-to-air and air-to-surface missiles, which enhances its ability to carry out multiple missions.

The G-31 is equipped with 6 external and internal compartments with a capacity of up to 8,000 kg (18,000 lb), including 2,000 kg (4,400 lb) internally.
• Missiles:
– Air-to-air missiles: 12 medium-range missiles
– Air-to-surface missiles: 8 supersonic missiles
• Bombs:
– 8 deep penetration bombs weighing 500 kg
- 30 small bombs

Speed and range: Its maximum speed reaches about Mach 1.8, and the combat aviation range is about 1,200 kilometers, giving it a high ability to maneuver and reach distant targets.

Cost and Efficiency: The J-31 is an economical option compared to Western stealth aircraft, making it suitable for a country seeking to enhance its defense capabilities at a reasonable cost.



These factors make the J-31 a strategic choice for Egypt in enhancing its air and defense capabilities.

 

[ety]

Why did Egypt buy Chinese J-10C “Powerful Dragon” fighters?

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Egypt purchased Chinese J-10C fighters for several strategic and tactical reasons, a step that reflects new trends in its defense and military policies.

Egypt signed an agreement with China to purchase J-10C fighter aircraft. The decision to acquire the J-10C, also known as the “Mighty Dragon,” comes amid speculation that Egypt is looking for alternatives to US proposals to upgrade its F-16 aircraft to the F-16V model.

Egypt currently operates American F-16s, Russian MiG-29s, and French Rafales, reflecting its military diversification strategy.

The J-10C is an advanced fourth-generation aircraft, making it primarily a geopolitical decision for Egypt. The deal, which was reported to have been signed on August 19, 2024, makes Egypt the second international customer for the J-10C, after Pakistan.

Diversifying its sources of armament: Egypt seeks to reduce its dependence on American and Russian military equipment by diversifying its sources of armament. This trend comes after negative experiences with some Russian equipment, such as the MiG-29 and Su-35 fighters.

Cost and efficiency: The J-10C fighters are an economical option compared to Western and Russian fighters, as they provide advanced combat capabilities at a lower cost.

Regional challenges: This step comes in light of Egypt's concern about regional threats, especially in light of tensions with Israel and some other countries in the region. Egypt seeks to enhance its defense capabilities to confront any potential threats.

Politics and geopolitics: This deal also reflects Egypt's new political and geographic orientations, as Cairo seeks to strengthen its relations with China as part of its strategy to reduce dependence on the United States and Western countries.

Advanced Technology: The J-10C fighters feature advanced combat capabilities that include electronic warfare systems and active electronically scanned (AESA) radar, making them a suitable replacement for Egypt's older F-16 fighters.

These factors combined make the deal to purchase J-10C fighters an important strategic step for Egypt in enhancing its defense capabilities and diversifying its armament sources.

Eurofighter and F-15 deal cancelled: Egypt was also looking to purchase 24 Eurofighter Typhoon multirole aircraft, 24 M346 jet trainers, and a surveillance satellite from Italy. However, this deal was also canceled possibly due to it not being provided with its full armament package.

In 2022. The United States offered Egypt F-15 fighter jets, canceling its plans to purchase Su-35 jets. But it seems that the offer was not well received by the Egyptian side.

Egypt wants to obtain the J-31
View attachment 65179

Egypt is seeking to acquire the Chinese J-31 fighter jet, a fifth-generation fighter aircraft characterized by advanced stealth capabilities. This aircraft is considered a competitor to American stealth aircraft such as the F-35.

The Commander of the Egyptian Air Force, Lieutenant General Mahmoud Fouad Abdel Gawad, and his Chinese counterpart, General Zhang Dengqiu, met in Beijing to discuss the possible transfer of J-10C and J-31 fighter aircraft as soon as possible.

The J-31 has several specifications that make it attractive to Egypt:

Stealth Technology: The J-31 is characterized by its ability to hide from radars, making it difficult to detect by enemy air defense systems.

Avionics:

• AESA KLJ-7A radar
• Distributed Aperture System (DAS) visual early warning system
• Electro-optical targeting system (EOTS)

Combat capabilities: Equipped with advanced weapon systems that include air-to-air and air-to-surface missiles, which enhances its ability to carry out multiple missions.

The G-31 is equipped with 6 external and internal compartments with a capacity of up to 8,000 kg (18,000 lb), including 2,000 kg (4,400 lb) internally.
• Missiles:
– Air-to-air missiles: 12 medium-range missiles
– Air-to-surface missiles: 8 supersonic missiles
• Bombs:
– 8 deep penetration bombs weighing 500 kg
- 30 small bombs

Speed and range: Its maximum speed reaches about Mach 1.8, and the combat aviation range is about 1,200 kilometers, giving it a high ability to maneuver and reach distant targets.

Cost and Efficiency: The J-31 is an economical option compared to Western stealth aircraft, making it suitable for a country seeking to enhance its defense capabilities at a reasonable cost.

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These factors make the J-31 a strategic choice for Egypt in enhancing its air and defense capabilities.

Has Egypt gov officially confirmed the purchase of J-10C yet ?

 

[The SC]

Air-to-air missiles:

• PL-10: The PL-10 missile is a short-range air-to-air missile developed by the People's Republic of China. Also known as the “Thunderbolt-10” (Thunder-10), it uses an infrared (IIR) guidance system to identify targets based on their shape, giving it targeting capability from all angles.

The PL-10 is designed to be resistant to jamming and electronic countermeasures, and is highly maneuverable thanks to its vectored-thrust rocket motor and swiveling wings. The missile can achieve high angles of attack and a turning ability exceeding 60 G.



The PL-10 missile has a range of approximately 20 kilometers (12.4 mi). This range makes it effective in close-air engagements, as it can engage targets quickly and with high accuracy.

• PL-15: A long-range missile with the ability to engage targets beyond visual range. The missile's range is believed to exceed 200 kilometres, making it capable of engaging targets at very long distances. The missile uses an active radar guidance system, which gives it high accuracy in hitting targets. It is also characterized by its high speed, which makes it more difficult for enemy aircraft to avoid it. It has high maneuverability, making it effective against fast and maneuverable targets



The PL-15 missile is expected to significantly enhance the capabilities of the Egyptian Air Force. With its long range of up to 200 kilometers and high speed of Mach 4, the missile can target early warning aircraft, refueling aircraft, and stealth fighters with high precision. This will give the Egyptian Air Force a strategic advantage in long-range air engagements, enhancing its ability to defend and attack at the same time.

 

[Sami_1]

Egypt has no choice but to buy J-10C from China, at least 27 and at most 58​

2024-09-16 21:05

With the rapid development of China's equipment technology, a batch of advanced equipment and China's fighter aircraft technology have entered the world's advanced level. The latest fighter jet J-10C exported by China has also been successfully exported to Pakistan.


The two J-10CE squadrons procured by Pakistan have been delivered in just about one and a half years, and the feedback from the Pakistan Air Force is very satisfactory.

Perhaps it is also thanks to the good feedback from Pakistan that some other countries are also very interested in the J-10C, such as Turkey and Egypt, both in the Middle East.

Earlier, there was news in Turkey that it intends to purchase a batch of J-10Cs to supplement its existing fleet, but it has not yet been implemented. However, just a few days ago, the US media revealed that Egypt, another big country in the Middle East, may have offered an olive branch to China and asked to buy J-10C fighter jets.

According to recent news from the US media "Tactical Report", Egypt is in contact with China to discuss the possibility of introducing J-10C fighter jets. The US media stated that the contact between the two parties has already begun at the end of 2022. Egypt is trying to obtain the J-10C to update its existing fleet.

In fact, the Egyptian Air Force is now facing the problem of retiring old fighters and urgently needing new fighters. The existing Mirage-5 and Mirage-2000 of the Egyptian Air Force have both exceeded their service life.


Egypt is the first overseas user of legal Mirage-2000 fighter jets. As early as 1981, Egypt purchased 20 Mirages for $890 million. These Mirages were delivered in the late 1980s and have been in service for nearly 40 years. Currently There are 17 more in service.





There are as many as 75 Mirage-5 fighter jets of the Egyptian Air Force in service at the beginning of 2022. This aircraft is a product of the same era as the J-7 fighter jet, and its service time in the Egyptian Air Force has far exceeded its service life. It's time to retire.

In addition, nearly half of the F16 fighter jets in the Egyptian Air Force, more than 100, have served for more than 30 years and have reached the retirement age. There are also more than 100 MiG-21s in service, and all major military powers have already retired these fighters.



It can be seen from this that Egypt has a very urgent need to update its existing fleet and complete the modernization. It is only necessary to update the above three models of MiG-21, Mirage-5 and Mirage-2000. Just close to 200.

For Egypt, a "big customer", all major arms exporting countries are keeping a close eye on it, and everyone wants to get this opportunity to eat crabs.


It should be said that France is the first country to eat crabs. In 2015, Egypt spent a huge amount of money to introduce 24 Rafales from France, with a total price of 5.2 billion euros!

Then in 2021, Egypt signed an agreement with France to purchase 30 Rafale fighter jets. The order was as high as 3.75 billion US dollars!



Egypt seems to be not satisfied with the French fighters, even after the introduction of 54 Rafales, Egypt also plans to introduce a newer generation of French fighters, that is, the F4 fighters that are still in the development stage, and will eventually expand the size of the legal fighter fleet. to around 100.


Of course, it is impossible for Egypt to put all eggs in one cage, and Egypt will also expand its sources of weapons.




However, there are only a handful of countries that can meet the modernization needs of the Egyptian Air Force. It can be said that there are only the United States, Russia and France, plus the potential target China, and there are only four options.


So in addition to France, Egypt will naturally choose from the other three. For Egypt, the first choice is the United States. This is mainly due to the fact that the Egyptian Air Force itself has more than 200 F16 fighter jets. The number of F16 fighters in Egypt is second only to the US military, Israel and Turkey, ranking fourth. Continue to introduce US-made fighters do not affect logistical support.

In 2010, Egypt and the United States reached an agreement to introduce 20 improved F-16C/D Block52s, but the order did not go smoothly. It was interrupted for 4 years, and the first batch of 4 were not delivered until 2014. In 2016 Annual delivery completed.



Later, in 2019, Egypt sought to purchase more advanced F35 stealth fighters from the United States, but was ultimately rejected by the United States. As a matter of fact, as long as there is Israel, as long as the Middle East region including Israel does not achieve great unity, Egypt will never be able to obtain the F35.

As for importing from Russia, it is actually unrealistic. Egypt also thought about importing from Russia. For example, in 2019, Egypt reached an agreement with Russia to spend 2 billion US dollars to import 24 Su-35 fighter jets. However, everyone knows that the United States finally intervened. Countering the Enemy Act," which blocked the Egyptian-Russian deal.

Even though Russia has already produced half of the Su-35, even if the Su-35 is already in the flight test stage before delivery, Egypt finally canceled the order, and the Su-35 that has been produced can only be placed in the Komsomolsk Aircraft Factory. on the tarmac.

This also means that Egypt's plan to obtain the latest generation of modern fighter jets from Russia has failed. Compared with the United States, Egypt is a "small arm" that cannot twist its thighs. If Egypt does not listen to the advice of the United States and resolutely introduces Russian-made fighter jets, then the United States will undoubtedly be merciless and sanction Egypt. What is the difference? Heavy Egypt is still clear.

Therefore, another option for Egypt to diversify its weapons sources is China.

For now, the fighter jets designed and manufactured by China are not inferior to the fighter jets of the United States, Russia and France. On the contrary, the technical level of Chinese fighter jets is already in a leading position. In terms of airborne radar and missiles, it is better than the above three Even better.

Now, China's main export is the J-10C fighter jet. This fighter jet has been served in large quantities in the People's Liberation Army series, and its reliability has been verified. It has also achieved zero breakthroughs in exports. Pakistan has introduced two squadrons in one go. The Pakistani army has proved in use that the J-10C can effectively suppress the Rafale fighter.



It is entirely feasible for Egypt to introduce J-10C.

The average unit price of the J-10CE obtained by Pakistan is only 50 million US dollars, while the unit price of the legal Rafale fighter jets introduced by Egypt is as high as 150 million US dollars. One Rafale is equal to three J-10Cs. There is no more cost-effective option than this.

The US media believes that the current shortage of fighter jets in the Egyptian Air Force is at least between 27-58. Because the J-10C is an excellent multi-purpose fighter, one can hold up to three or four Mirage-5, Mirage-2000 and MiG-21, and there is no need to replace it in a 1:1 quantity.


In any case, even if it is to introduce 27 aircraft, this is not a small number. If an agreement can be finally finalized, it will be of great benefit to expanding the international influence of the J-10C. Taking the lead, the J-10C export road will inevitably be smoother.


And when the development of the J-35 is completed, Egypt's dream of a stealth fighter will also be realized.

https://inf.news/en/military/107284ad823481366b23fd2df22f5996.html

 

[Oublious]

Fake news spread by youtubers and vloggers, if you follow the news all of them are refering to youtubers and vloggers. Ther is no single officially statement, purchasing fighters does not work like this, it starts several years of negotiation. What people like this want to achieve with this a question.

believe me if ther was a agreement it would al ready being declared. Ther is no reason to hide it.

 

[FHN]

Egypt cancelled su-35 because of US pressure. I don't see how that's any different from a j-10c deal. I will believe when I see it.

 

[FHN]

I'm sorry but Egypt doesn't have a backbone. It's too reliant on the West and US aid.not the same country as under Nasser.

 

[The SC]

Fake news spread by youtubers and vloggers, if you follow the news all of them are refering to youtubers and vloggers. Ther is no single officially statement, purchasing fighters does not work like this, it starts several years of negotiation. What people like this want to achieve with this a question.

believe me if ther was a agreement it would al ready being declared. Ther is no reason to hide it.

It was officially announced in the Egypt air show 2024..the negotiations started in early 2022..

 

[Ghostkiller]

It was officially announced in the Egypt air show 2024..the negotiations started in early 2022..

You have a source? Mahmoud Gamal didn't talk about it.