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In the Trump world, the luni-bin world that is. We know for a fact that the orange turd offered the F-35 in one of his fun-loving moods while meeting with Sisi but we all knew it was a bunch of horseshit. So just by the virtue of the Trump-luni-bin factor, the rest is questionable that I agree.

The bottom-line question would be why would Tactical Report, a paid-for online agency "make things up"? Now that doesn't make sense more-so than the rest of the stuff. And where is it well-known to be world famous for its BS? Could you please elaborate on that.

Sure the US would waive CAATSA and keep the numbers of the Typhoons at 24 instead of 36 because contrary to what many might think. That actually makes a huge difference and I'll tell you why: Average squadron is 12 aircraft. 24 instead of 36 means 2 squadrons instead of 3. That's one limiting factor. The typical initial order for most aircraft from almost any manufacturer and country is 24, sometimes with an option for an additional 12 ala Egypt's first batch of Rafales. Qatar's first batch also and both were given the option for the additional 12 of which only Qatar exercised. Egypt tried but was unsuccessful because France had issues with the financing aspect. In the end, they worked out an order for an additional 30 as we know of which the additional 6 is very interesting and probably has to do with ability to pay. My guess is the EAF wanted the standard 36 number of aircraft and because of cost, it got whittled down to 30.

Pakistan just bought 24 J-10Cs again because the initial number is always a 2-squadron average and it's a start for both parties.

Egypt with its F-16s block 52. The number originally was 24 haggled and razzled ended up being 20. Most manufacturers will only offer an initial number like that with the exception of Russia, and actually they usually do stick to that also because of their production line capacities and cost. Hence the MiG-29M/M2 @ 46 units and Ka-52 @ 46 as well.

We all know how much of a threat the EAF presents to the zionists and how scared shitless they are of us and always trying to knock down advanced weaponry from the EAF despite them not only having the AIM-120C, but their own garbage also.

And by allowing an "un-downgraded" Typhoon like the article suggest, that means it would be either the Tranche 3A or the latest in the 4 which is more of a reason to limit it to 2 squadrons since it would come with these deadly possibilities:

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That's another platform that would be capable of firing the Meteor on top of the Rafale. Add them together that's 54 + 24 for a total of 78 Meteor firing platforms instead of 90. I can see the Israelis soiling themselves as we speak! That's a HUUUGEAH problem for the zionist, least of all the US so another reason to knock down the numbers from 36 to 24.

Not sure if the AGM-88 or the ASRAAM would be included, or even the AIM-120 of course since Egypt is baaaaad, baaaaaad, bad bad baaaaad. But with the IRIS-T and Meteor, that's good enough to do some serious damage.

Add the other reasons I mentioned, and it all makes sense to knock down the typhoon number from 36 to 24. There's so much more to these decisions than what meets the eye, or what's only on the surface. So yeah, I do buy it.

The overall idea that dictates the US' need to maintain the QME is the zionists' constant fearmongering of Egypt attacking it, or always having the ambition to attack it and all that rubbish. Look at that old donkey Eli Dekel or whatever the frig his name is. All he does is put supposed "independent research" of the Egyptian military and come up with conclusions that it's waiting for its chance to attack Israel. Just buying its time and not just the military, he researches the Egyptian people's psyche as well.

And he's a member of the ex-Mossad Clownship Royale so do we think the actual intelligence agencies aren't looking into things on a grandeur scale? Of course they are and they have to make these determinations which lead to even the small details that we, as common, layman folk wouldn't realize could be a big deal like reducing the number of such deadly jets by only 12. But when you break it down like I just did, it does make a lot of sense, no?

As far as the details for the US waiving CAATSA? Yes, absolutely. It's not all just what the US wants. Remember, this isn't the Mubarak years and I know the typical sentiment towards Sisi as a tinpot dictator and all that crap. People forget the man has proven to be a genius with the way he's modernized the entire military in just 10 years. Add all the civilian projects and coming from a very strong military background, that adds to his clout contrary to what some might want to think, because of that brutal dictatorial label that was placed on him. It's not out of the realm of possibility that he's been front and center in these negotiations and is insisting on these certain "un-downgraded" platforms and negotiating the waiver of CAATSA since the Egyptian military's makeup is 50% +/- Russian platforms, give or take. There's a huge need to maintain Egypt's ability to keep purchasing power with Russia simply because of that factor.

I would even go as far as to say that what I would actually doubt would happen is the US upgrading the F-16s. They've been a stickler for maintaining them the way they are and the only upgrade they allowed was the block 15s & 30s to block 40s and that's it! Not even MLUs which Pakistan was able to get. A large portion of their F-16 As & Bs were upgraded to the mid-life-upgrade standard giving them primarily the ability to fire the AIM-120 of which the US had limited the supplied order to 500. Who knows if they'll get a restocking on them with the way things are going and with India cozying up to the US. They probably will, though, since they obediently and masterfully complied with the US' desire to take Imran Khan out of the loop using "legal" means to do it, ala taking a "no-confidence vote" and ousting him. And making sure he goes to prison for as long as possible. The Pakistan military knows what it's doing, and we think Egypt isn't learning from all of these backdoor deals to avoid similar things happening while also getting the most in return?



The article never suggested that. This is what it said: The Meteor is considered one of the most advanced air-to-air missiles in the world and would give the EAF a significant edge over its regional rivals.



It most definitely will "change the equation". Are you saying it simply won't even make a single difference? If that's the case, then why have they made a HUUUGGEAH STINK about it and at the same time been crying about the AIM-120 for decades before that? lol Come on, fellas.

I know the new fad is to be critical and pessimistic and all that. I have no problem with that but we need to look at the specific details in a much broader context. Example - underestimating the effect the Meteor would have when not taking into account the decades of banning the AIM-120 AND the fact that it wouldn't just be the Meteor, but a combination of the Meteor, R-77 possibly R-77-1, ASTRA, PL-15E, AIM-7 Sparrow, MICA IR/ER then add R-73/74, ASRAAM, IRIS-T, AIM-9L/M. The Su-35SE freakout by the US and especially the zionists to the point where they publicly stated they had no objection to the EAF acquiring the F-15E Strike Eagle after 40 years of denying it was also because the Su-35SE would undoubtedly carry the phenomenally deadly R-37M. There is no way they would allow that missile to the EAF and add it to that list above? And with the Meteor? lmaaaooooo. Big picure, fellas, big picture.

Sorry the post is long, but you asked for it, Parallel! lol :D
Dang that was a long response, haha!

Everything you said is correct and proves my point. I think you may have misinterpreted what I meant. TR is saying that the Biden administration is the one who offered the F-35 this time around. The idea is that if they these western deals (F-35, typhoon, f-16 upgrade) were to actually materialize, they would drastically improve the EAF's capabilities. So either they know for a fact that the typhoon and Su-35 are better than anything they can offer, or whatever new deals and/or upgrades on the table will be restricted in order to preserve the QME. My point is any US offer will be second best to what is actually out there. The R-37M is meant mainly to target AWACS size planes, and even if it was just about it...Couldn't they just ask Egypt not to get them with the Su-35s for now? Also, if they were to offer the F-15, would they be second hand? Considering current production scheduling it would be several years for Egypt to receive new planes. Honestly I hope they eventually get the Su-35s and increase the number of Rafales and Migs. it would make far more sense. Any and all new weapons deals with the US should be made on the condition of upgrading the existing equipment instead of more empty promises.
 
BTW, @The SC , I think this is the only photo of a Saudi Eurofighter equipped with a Meteor. I don't think there are any other pics showing the Saudi Typhoons carrying Meteors because supposedly they were kind of in the same boat as Egypt, but their request was never officially denied, unlike Egypt. It was only held up because of the Tranche upgrade and/or the German temper tantrum from the Khashoggi saga or something along those lines. Bottom line I don't think we ever saw any of the Saudi fighters carrying any Meteors, so they must've received them. This is great news. Have they announced reception of the missiles, SC?

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SU-57/75 will fail. Russia can't mass produce it. And there is rumors saying that the SU-57 is more of a 4,5+++gen than a 5th gen aircraft.
The Su-57 is actually a solid design, but they are way off schedule in production.
 
This again shows you lack of knowledge about this subject..can you refrain from commenting with ignorance,,
As a moderator, do you have any ability to silence the annoying parrots on this thread? Do Egyptians go around this forum doing the same thing? Or is the inferiority complex too strong for these types of members?
 
BTW, @The SC , I think this is the only photo of a Saudi Eurofighter equipped with a Meteor. I don't think there are any other pics showing the Saudi Typhoons carrying Meteors because supposedly they were kind of in the same boat as Egypt, but their request was never officially denied, unlike Egypt. It was only held up because of the Tranche upgrade and/or the German temper tantrum from the Khashoggi saga or something along those lines. Bottom line I don't think we ever saw any of the Saudi fighters carrying any Meteors, so they must've received them. This is great news. Have they announced reception of the missiles, SC?

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The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and European missiles manufacturer MBDA have signed the first export contract of the Meteor active radar guided beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM), for an estimated amount of $1 bn, reports today French newspaper La Tribune..3 Feb, 2015

On February 5, 2019, French newspaper La Tribune reported that the German government has blocked an export license for the Meteor air-to-air missile to be sold to Saudi Arabia.

Germany is prepared to allow further deliveries of Eurofighter jets to Saudi Arabia, German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock said on Sunday..January 7, 2024


It's a whole saga..
 
As a moderator, do you have any ability to silence the annoying parrots on this thread? Do Egyptians go around this forum doing the same thing? Or is the inferiority complex too strong for these types of members?
Some have obviously some negative thoughts against the Arabs, most of their posts are based on ignorance, fallacies and some political Islam's journalism..I have deleted a lot of these posts..but they keep trolling..I like to give a chance to non-Arabs to come to this section to learn a few things and participate positively..and of course among them come some trolls..just for fun and to sooth their sick souls..

In the old PDF they used to attack Arabs in General and Saudi Arabia in Particular for that they treat the foreign workers as slaves, the new trend now is to attack the Arab armies and the leaders .. saying they are null. zero, incompetent and worst adjectives.. while at the same time they are looking with their own eyes what just a 30 000 militia of Arabs are doing in Gaza.. bottom line they day-dream of the destruction of all Arab states by the US and NATO.. which show more than hatred..a huge inferiority complex in their own mind.. because the Arabs never wish the same doomsday for their countries..
 
Dang that was a long response, haha!

I did apologize at the end of that novel loool.
BTW, consider it payback for when you wrote that great post about your opinion regarding the different rumors/subject of the Egyptian Su-35S deal, and you also apologized at the end of it and blamed it on too much over-stuffing Thanksgiving turkey lolzo.

Everything you said is correct and proves my point. I think you may have misinterpreted what I meant. TR is saying that the Biden administration is the one who offered the F-35 this time around.

What TR didn't articulate was that the offer of the F-35 was in fact made by Trump and then it was brought up by Sisi & co. when they were negotiating the current replacement offer of the F-15 for the loss of the Su-35 as it extended into the Biden administration. That's the detail that's missing in the TR article but that is how it happened. The Biden administration would NEVER offer the F-35 considering it can't even offer an F-15 that meets the EAF's expectations. Would it even mention the F-35? Highly unlikely. Even the CAATSA threat was done by Mike Pompeo who you obviously know was Trump's Secretary of State (who BTW, is a wicked Islamophobe just FYI). Typically I don't like to throw these kinds of things around, but in this case it's important as it most likely was a driving factor in the cancellation of the Su-35 for obvious reasons. Islamophobia usually comes with a huge side order of zionism!

The idea is that if they these western deals (F-35, typhoon, f-16 upgrade) were to actually materialize, they would drastically improve the EAF's capabilities. So either they know for a fact that the typhoon and Su-35 are better than anything they can offer, or whatever new deals and/or upgrades on the table will be restricted in order to preserve the QME. My point is any US offer will be second best to what is actually out there.

Totally agree with that.

The R-37M is meant mainly to target AWACS size planes, and even if it was just about it...

Mmm...I would argue that point but it would be another encyclopedia, and I don't wish to put you through that torture again, my friend. 😅

My point is any US offer will be second best to what is actually out there. The R-37M is meant mainly to target AWACS size planes, and even if it was just about it...Couldn't they just ask Egypt not to get them with the Su-35s for now?

They could ask. I would hope that Sisi & Co. would tell them to take a hike and not go that route. Which might've happened in some way we just don't know. I think we're finally seeing the Egyptian side be adamant about getting un-downgraded platforms for once and that's a good thing since China is an available option to use in support of that. I hope they hold their grounds; it's either F-15s with AMRAAMs and no silly restrictions or Typhoons with Meteors. Otherwise, sayonara to the US & Europe and 你好 to China.

Also, if they were to offer the F-15, would they be second hand?

We talked about that because we weren't sure. I would think it's bad enough that they would try and offer downgraded Eagles but used ones on top of that? Talk about adding insult to injury.

Honestly I hope they eventually get the Su-35s and increase the number of Rafales and Migs. it would make far more sense. Any and all new weapons deals with the US should be made on the condition of upgrading the existing equipment instead of more empty promises.

100%! I think we're all on that same page, road, train whatever one wants to call it. I know I've been feeling it big time and for a long time. Enough is enough and the good thing is that it seems like Sisi & Co, are also on the same page. In the end, they're motivations are all that matter.
 
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The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and European missiles manufacturer MBDA have signed the first export contract of the Meteor active radar guided beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM), for an estimated amount of $1 bn, reports today French newspaper La Tribune..3 Feb, 2015

On February 5, 2019, French newspaper La Tribune reported that the German government has blocked an export license for the Meteor air-to-air missile to be sold to Saudi Arabia.

Germany is prepared to allow further deliveries of Eurofighter jets to Saudi Arabia, German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock said on Sunday..January 7, 2024


It's a whole saga..

There you go. It makes sense that this is really the first time we see a Saudi Typhoon carrying a Meteor after Germany came to its senses and ended the blockade. You know the Brits weren't going to allow the Germans to put a kink on their sweet earnings from Saudiya! Can you imagine the phone call from Sushi Sunak to Olaf Scholz? Olly, vut are you doing penshod! Stop prebenting me from making luts of money from the Saudi godam you gandu benshod laard! :D
 
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Some have obviously some negative thoughts against the Arabs, most of their posts are based on ignorance, fallacies and some political Islam's journalism..I have deleted a lot of these posts..but they keep trolling..I like to give a chance to non-Arabs to come to this section to learn a few things and participate positively..and of course among them come some trolls..just for fun and to sooth their sick souls..

In the old PDF they used to attack Arabs in General and Saudi Arabia in Particular for that they treat the foreign workers as slaves, the new trend now is to attack the Arab armies and the leaders .. saying they are null. zero, incompetent and worst adjectives.. while at the same time they are looking with their own eyes what just a 30 000 militia of Arabs are doing in Gaza.. bottom line they day-dream of the destruction of all Arab states by the US and NATO.. which show more than hatred..a huge inferiority complex in their own mind.. because the Arabs never wish the same doomsday for their countries..
Very said, yet very true. I know a lot of Africans and Turks have no love for Egypt (even if they claim they do) but I am surprised to see Pakistanis in this mix to be honest...
 
Very said, yet very true. I know a lot of Africans and Turks have no love for Egypt (even if they claim they do) but I am surprised to see Pakistanis in this mix to be honest...
Well these seem to hate everyone including Pakistan itself..
 
I did apologize at the end of that novel loool.
BTW, consider it payback for when you wrote that great post about your opinion regarding the different rumors/subject of the Egyptian Su-35S deal, and you also apologized at the end of it and blamed it on too much over-stuffing Thanksgiving turkey lolzo.
LMAO you still remember that. Also, that was one good turkey.
What TR didn't articulate was that the offer of the F-35 was in fact made by Trump and then it was brought up by Sisi & co. when they were negotiating the current replacement offer of the F-15 for the loss of the Su-35 as it extended into the Biden administration. That's the detail that's missing in the TR article but that is how it happened. The Biden administration would NEVER offer the F-35 considering it can't even offer an F-15 that meets the EAF's expectations. Would it even mention the F-35? Highly unlikely. Even the CAATSA threat was done by Mike Pompeo who you obviously know was Trump's Secretary of State (who BTW, is a wicked Islamophobe just FYI). Typically I don't like to throw these kinds of things around, but in this case it's important as it most likely was a driving factor in the cancellation of the Su-35 for obvious reasons. Islamophobia usually comes with a huge side order of zionism!
We all know about Pompeo. When I first heard about the F-35 talk in 2018/19 I knew it was just political maneuvering on Egypt's side to justify the purchase of the Su-35. After all, who in their right mind would believe that they would clear F-35's when we're still arguing about AIM 120's for the F-16s?
Totally agree with that.



Mmm...I would argue that point but it would be another encyclopedia, and I don't wish to put you through that torture again, my friend. 😅
Eh. I can always read it later!
They could ask. I would hope that Sisi & Co. would tell them to take a hike and not go that route. Which might've happened in some way we just don't know. I think we're finally seeing the Egyptian side be adamant about getting un-downgraded platforms for once and that's a good thing since China is an available option to use in support of that. I hope they hold their grounds; it's either F-15s with AMRAAMs and no silly restrictions or Typhoons with Meteors. Otherwise, sayonara to the US & Europe and 你好 to China.
See this is another issue i'm worried about. What if in some stretch of the imagination we are able to get the AIM-120D ? What they would simply do is give the other guys the AIM-260. Then we're stuck in the same cycle.
We talked about that because we weren't sure. I would think it's bad enough that they would try and offer downgraded Eagles but used ones on top of that? Talk about adding insult to injury.
I honestly would not put it past either administration. Their approach to the aid and pressuring Egypt economically as well as pushing for the displacement of Palestinians into the Sinai proves this.
100%! I think we're all on that same page, road, train whatever one wants to call it. I know I've been feeling it big time and for a long time. Enough is enough and the good thing is that it seems like Sisi & Co, are also on the same page. In the end, they're motivations are all that matter.

What I can say with 100% certainty is that the Mubarak days of pacification are over and the strengthening of the state is now the utmost priority for Sisi.
 
Germany is prepared to allow further deliveries of Eurofighter jets to Saudi Arabia, German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock said on Sunday..January 7, 2024

Granted that pic was most likely taken sometime around January/February of this year (2024), and at first I wasn't sure of the technical data on those 4 particular recessed & embedded weapons stations on the Eurofighter's bottom fuselage if they're compatible for both types of AMRAAMs, such as the the standard AIM-120 that we see mostly attached to those stations and the Meteor. But I checked the data on the jet and all 4 of those recessed stations are in fact capable of housing both types. I thought they were only designed for the AIM-120 with considerations for exact size and shape. But the patent shows them for AMRAAMs (meaning all advanced medium-range A2A missiles and just in case that still didn't apply to the Meteor being simply designated as a BVRAAM. On top of that there are plenty of You Tube videos showing crews mounting the Meteor in those exact spots.

So that's another element to support the fact in that particular photo on top of the date it was taken which coincides with the info in your post makes it authentic and that apparently Saudi Arabia has in fact received its Meteors.

What I'm a bit surprised at is Saudiya's sneaky deeky, trickly vicky attitude about this. Either there's something missing I'm not getting in the photo, or they haven't announced the possession of the missile. What think, broman?
 
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Granted that pic was most likely taken sometime around January/February of this year (2024), and at first I wasn't sure of the technical data on those 4 particular recessed & embedded weapons stations on the Eurofighter's bottom fuselage, but I checked the data on the jet and all 4 do. I thought they were only designed for the AIM-120 with considerations for exact size and shape. But the patent shows them for AMRAAMs (meaning all advanced medium-range A2A missiles and just in case that still didn't apply to the Meteor being simply designated as a BVRAAM and plenty of You Tube videos showing crews mounting the missile in those exact spots.

So that's another element to support the fact in that particular photo on top of the date which coincides with the info in your post.

What I'm a bit surprised at is Saudiya's sneaky deeky trickly vicky attitude about this. Either there's something missing I'm not getting in the photo, or they haven't announced the possession of the missile. What think, broman?
No need to announce it again when the contract was signed and all the rest of the saga is known..
 
LMAO you still remember that. Also, that was one good turkey.

I do. I had the same problem that's why loool. I always overstuff my face with Thanksgiving Turkey and I even cook a lot of other things that add to that stuffage, including tons of stuffing lool.

Plus I was ticked off at that guy Nile Pheonix and his smuggish opinion about the reason the Su-35S were cancelled by the EAF, that he thought it had nothing to do with CAATSA. His theory that the EAF wasn't aware of certain "issues" or "problem" with the aircraft until after one was delivered all in separate pieces and assembled and tested in Egypt. Then the dissassembled it and packed it and sent it back. Not only was that the craziest assumption but he based it on the worst reasons and that it was so damning of the EAF's reputation as if they would not look into the major systems such as the radar and EW capabilities or they wouldn't even know about them prior to committing $2.2 billion. It's ridiculous and his reasoning was that it's happened before and he used the L-59Es purchase as well as the Algerian MiG-29 SMTs as examples. Aweful reasoning.

On the other hand, we have absolute proof that it was about CAATSA because we have Pompeo's testimony of the thread on actual record. Besides, the L-59Es at the time were with Czechoslovakia and not Russia (Sukhoi-35) and the Algerian MiG-29SMTs were with MiG corporation and not Sukhoi.

Needless to say his opinion really irritated the hell out of me lol so it helped when you jumped in with your Thanksgiving Turkey stuffage post looool. And I hope that Nile Pheonix dude is reading this and gets his ass back in here so we can settle this beef once and for all. :D I don't think he knows there's a new forum.

We all know about Pompeo. When I first heard about the F-35 talk in 2018/19 I knew it was just political maneuvering on Egypt's side to justify the purchase of the Su-35. After all, who in their right mind would believe that they would clear F-35's when we're still arguing about AIM 120's for the F-16s?

lol, exactly. Add the orange buffoon to the mix and the whole thing instantly looses all credibility.

Eh. I can always read it later!

Ok, cool. Sometime when the forum is slow, I'll get into the nitty gritty of the R-37M's technical description and its comparison with the AIM-120 and even the AIM-260 & Meteor from my perspective. Love talking about the actual techno grit.

See this is another issue i'm worried about. What if in some stretch of the imagination we are able to get the AIM-120D ? What they would simply do is give the other guys the AIM-260. Then we're stuck in the same cycle.

That's why the Meteor is so important in this entire scenario. Plus there are other options the EAF ABSOLUTELY needs to get a move on and they're between the PL-15E (which according to domestic news that supposedly that's been ongoing since 2021/22. Even @The SC posted about that and I think @Sami_1 did also.

There's also India and ASTRA and it's future variants. The days where options were limited to just the AIM-120 are thankfully gone. Even more of a reason why they have no excuse anymore.

I honestly would not put it past either administration. Their approach to the aid and pressuring Egypt economically as well as pushing for the displacement of Palestinians into the Sinai proves this.

Yep. Knowing Sisi's position on the Palestinian displacement and his red line of Sinai being an option on top of his mediating with Hamas and maintaining diplomacy to reach a cease fire might buy him some leverage with the F-15. And we all know how important it is for the EAF to have a heavy fighter (preferably the Su-35 but...) that it's not out of the realm of possibility that they do find a happy medium with the F-15s. As long as they're not downgraded bullshit and we're back to square one which I can't imaging happening, then maybe that ends up being a good option. I think it's either that or wait another decade +/- for the Su-57.
 
As a moderator, do you have any ability to silence the annoying parrots on this thread? Do Egyptians go around this forum doing the same thing? Or is the inferiority complex too strong for these types of members?

You think this ziaulislam guy is bad?

Try this thread and take a look at the exchange I'm having with the hateful individual who opened it.


Talk about a personal egenda with Egypt & Egyptians. Even a few other members all because of that most ignoramus of YouTube stars Scott Ritter who called (now get this, these were Ritter's exact words) "Egyptians are cowards" and that's the title of the thread. He thinks "all Egypt had to do was send 5 divisions to the border and Israel wouldn't be conducting the genocide it's doing" LOL! Imagine that moron who's ex-Marine Corps Intel AND a UN nuclear inspector (also convicted of sex crimes against a minor!!!! Served 2-1//2 to 3 years in federal prison) and doesn't know anything about the peace treaty and the zoning in Sinai. 5 DIVISIONS TO THE ISRAELI BORDER lmaaaaoooo! Have a look and the moronic Egyptian hatred from unfortunately a Pakistani member.

While ziaulislam irritating as **** and only looks at the negatives to suit his arguments and hatred of Arabs in general, he also has this knack and propensity to stick it with these super annoying digs and is never willing to be objective, he's still not as bad as the ones on that other thread.
 

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