Ghostkiller
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* Sissi was right all the way!
That is very interesting! What are your sources though? Don't go all Sami on us lmaoOf course. Like you and I have been saying all along, the man is brilliant and doesn't get the credit he deserves due to his ascension to the presidency and the way he & Tantawi realized the dangers that Morsi represented and that there was no way Egypt was going to make it to the next elections. They obviously realized other critical dangers, but we won't get into those now.
Speaking of Sisi, what do you know about the actual details in Egypt's signing of the CISMOA? Precisely the specific details that were agreed on that worked in the US' favor AND particularly the ones that were conditional to Egypt.
Let me know what you know, SC, even @Parallel_Politics I'd like to find out what you know also as well as @Sami_1 & @Ghostkiller.
Here's the reason I ask; I've recently 'discovered' that apparently signing the agreement for the interoperability communications integration & access to it was the main requisite for the US and in return, Egypt was not signing the cooperation conditions which basically allowing access to Egyptian military bases and full US inspections etc. because of Egypt's fundamental decree that it would never give up any portion of its sovereignty.
But here's the best part of this new information I just discovered (which BTW, shouldn't be much of a surprise TBH just hadn't heard of anything of the sort before and the extent of the particulars) is that the additional conditions by Egypt to no US access to Egyptian bases, the US would agree to the supply of an undisclosed number of F-16V upgrades to the blk 40 + 52 F-16s, 600 AMRAAMs AND an additional 1,400 M1A2SEPv3 tanks to be assembled at Helwan Factory 200. Sounds pretty wild, right?
Apparently, it's not much of a secret since everyone knows what the levels of downgraded US-supplied weapons to Egypt are, and the obvious reason behind all that. But despite the QMA and its extension in CISMOA with the restriction in transferring any "sensitive & advanced technology to 3rd parties, Egypt was finally making a push to end the restrictions & downgraded weapons by agreeing to the "interoperability" conditions. Those would give the US plenty of authority to inspect and see for themselves that conditions are being met, at the same time they wouldn't be an infringement on the importance of Egypt's sovereignty since there is no access to any bases, but the best part is in return, Egypt would be able to negotiate those 3 advanced weapons systems. Sounds pretty fair.
The signing was done in 2017 which then immediately allowed for the detailed negotiation to begin in earnest by 2018 for the 3 weapons systems and that didn't get off on a good foot whatsoever! It dragged on to the point where a little over a year later while the US had completely ignored Egypt's demands to negotiate those systems, Sisi made the decision along with the MoD (and since they had already signed & received the Rafales but especially the MiG-29M/M2s) that Egypt would start looking somewhere else. That's where the contract for the 30 Su-35Ss initially came from. That finally got the US' attention, and we all know quite well how that shaped out to be. It actually makes a lot of sense, especially the 3 weapons systems but particularly the Viper upgrade & the 600 AMRAAMs.
So the problem now is that the signing of the conditional CISMOA was due to be agreed in full within a particular timeframe and while the US hasn't been receptive to Egypt's conditions, and has also ruined the Su-35 contract under threats of CAATSA (after Egypt most likely paid close to a $1 billion for them), and is still even dilly dallying about the exchange platforms (F-15s for the Su-35s), it is highly likely that Egypt will cancel & revoke the CISMOA.
This is fascinating stuff to me. Wonder what you fellas think about it?
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US @CENTCOM Commander Gen. Votel: "In January 2018, we celebrated the successful signing of the bilateral Communications Interoperability and Security Memorandum of Agreement (CIS MOA), crowning over thirty years of effort to enhance security and counterterrorism cooperation."Of course. Like you and I have been saying all along, the man is brilliant and doesn't get the credit he deserves due to his ascension to the presidency and the way he & Tantawi realized the dangers that Morsi represented and that there was no way Egypt was going to make it to the next elections. They obviously realized other critical dangers, but we won't get into those now.
Speaking of Sisi, what do you know about the actual details in Egypt's signing of the CISMOA? Precisely the specific details that were agreed on that worked in the US' favor AND particularly the ones that were conditional to Egypt.
Let me know what you know, SC, even @Parallel_Politics I'd like to find out what you know also as well as @Sami_1 & @Ghostkiller.
Here's the reason I ask; I've recently 'discovered' that apparently signing the agreement for the interoperability communications integration & access to it was the main requisite for the US and in return, Egypt was not signing the cooperation conditions which basically allowing access to Egyptian military bases and full US inspections etc. because of Egypt's fundamental decree that it would never give up any portion of its sovereignty.
But here's the best part of this new information I just discovered (which BTW, shouldn't be much of a surprise TBH just hadn't heard of anything of the sort before and the extent of the particulars) is that the additional conditions by Egypt to no US access to Egyptian bases, the US would agree to the supply of an undisclosed number of F-16V upgrades to the blk 40 + 52 F-16s, 600 AMRAAMs AND an additional 1,400 M1A2SEPv3 tanks to be assembled at Helwan Factory 200. Sounds pretty wild, right?
Apparently, it's not much of a secret since everyone knows what the levels of downgraded US-supplied weapons to Egypt are, and the obvious reason behind all that. But despite the QMA and its extension in CISMOA with the restriction in transferring any "sensitive & advanced technology to 3rd parties, Egypt was finally making a push to end the restrictions & downgraded weapons by agreeing to the "interoperability" conditions. Those would give the US plenty of authority to inspect and see for themselves that conditions are being met, at the same time they wouldn't be an infringement on the importance of Egypt's sovereignty since there is no access to any bases, but the best part is in return, Egypt would be able to negotiate those 3 advanced weapons systems. Sounds pretty fair.
The signing was done in 2017 which then immediately allowed for the detailed negotiation to begin in earnest by 2018 for the 3 weapons systems and that didn't get off on a good foot whatsoever! It dragged on to the point where a little over a year later while the US had completely ignored Egypt's demands to negotiate those systems, Sisi made the decision along with the MoD (and since they had already signed & received the Rafales but especially the MiG-29M/M2s) that Egypt would start looking somewhere else. That's where the contract for the 30 Su-35Ss initially came from. That finally got the US' attention, and we all know quite well how that shaped out to be. It actually makes a lot of sense, especially the 3 weapons systems but particularly the Viper upgrade & the 600 AMRAAMs.
So the problem now is that the signing of the conditional CISMOA was due to be agreed in full within a particular timeframe and while the US hasn't been receptive to Egypt's conditions, and has also ruined the Su-35 contract under threats of CAATSA (after Egypt most likely paid close to a $1 billion for them), and is still even dilly dallying about the exchange platforms (F-15s for the Su-35s), it is highly likely that Egypt will cancel & revoke the CISMOA.
This is fascinating stuff to me. Wonder what you fellas think about it?
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Egypt needs a large number of new anti-submarine helicopters to operate on board the “Mistral” helicopter carriers and on board the new naval vessels like the “Gowind” corvettes and the “Fremm Bergamini” and the “Meko” frigates.
Egypt showed interest in the French anti-submarine helicopter “NH-90”, but its high price and operating cost prompted Egypt to take the Italian helicopter into consideration as a less expensive alternative.
In late 2018, the Italian company “Leonardo” issued a plan to export “AW-159” anti-submarine helicopters to foreign customers.
AW-159 Wildcat Anti-Submarine Warfare Helicopter
It is worth noting that the helicopter has excellent equipment and armament and a low cost of operation and maintenance.
Anti-submarine helicopter
"AW-159"
Egypt
That is very interesting! What are your sources though? Don't go all Sami on us lmao
Specific..no..but there was definitely talk about upgrades of EAF F-16s..do you remember we've discussed their upgrade in Greece?Hahaha, so it sounds like you probably hadn't heard anything either, about the 3 specific requests for the unknow number of Block 40+52 F-16s upgrades to Viper with an order of 600 AMRAAMs and the 1,400 M1A2SEPv3 assembly contract in Egypt? That's what I'm trying to find out if any of you fine fellas ever heard of such specifics, and they make A LOT of sense that those would be what Sisi & co. would request.
Everyone knows the EAF actually loves their F-16s and even have taken exceptional care of them. We all saw the original block 15 B models that they still fly when they conducted exercise Agile Pheonix with the US. 4 of them at a time were photographed and they had ordered a total of 8 back in 1982 along with 32 A's.
This well-known pic is one of the B models and was taken during Bright Star 1983.
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This is the 4 of them from Agile Pheonix June 28, 2022, almost exactly 2 years ago this week. That's 42 years so we know they're still flying at least 4 of them out of the 8.
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That's a great testament to the upkeep & maintenance of the EAF and of course, we all know how the entire outside world disses these things just because they don't have AMRAAMs and all of that. It makes sense that they would want those specific Viper & AMRAAM upgrades/orders and finally join the vaunted, AIM-120 BVR Royalty Family "click" and if not for the technical aspect of the upgrade in lethality, just to shut everyone up would be enough of a benefit! So those two requests seem quite valid that they would be made.
We all know the army is looking for new tanks (T-90MS, K2) and with putting all the T-54s/55s/62s in storage and most likely looking to retire the M60s while likely keeping the M60A3s (the latter being the improved version and they seem to like & use them a lot) and they're about half of the total number of 3000 M60 tanks in inventory, it would make total sense to replace those by adding an additional 1400 M1A2SEPv3s at the same time strengthen the entire Abrams fleet. Makes a ton of sense. With their recent interest in the T-90MS & K2 along with the Su-35S it seems like Sisi is letting the American know there are other options, and he will seek them if the US doesn't start playing ball.
I'll post the source once I get better confirmation. I don't feel comfortable giving it out just yet since I really don't know the validity of the details which is why I asked if anyone had heard of those specific requests since they make total sense like I just explained.
Suffice it to say, it does come from a rather interesting individual on social media who I still don't know if he's connected or just a grunt like all of us. But I'm looking into it and will certainly let you all you fine fellas know when I find out.
And from what I only know so far, he a British/Egyptian but from reading some of his rather interesting postings and interactions online, he gives the impression that he has either some level of "inside knowledge", at least on either some diplomatic level of some kind or just on a personal level. I might also be reading too much into all of it of course. But him revealing those specific items & numbers makes me wonder if there is any truth to it all because of not only how fascinating they are, but how they make complete sense.
Specific..no..but there was definitely talk about upgrades of EAF F-16s..do you remember we've discussed their upgrade in Greece?
Waaaaaiiitttt.... You're talking about Viktor! Yeah he gives off the impression that he knows a lot of stuff. I don't agree with everything he says, but I am definitely interested in his point of view on issues.Hahaha, so it sounds like you probably hadn't heard anything either, about the 3 specific requests for the unknow number of Block 40+52 F-16s upgrades to Viper with an order of 600 AMRAAMs and the 1,400 M1A2SEPv3 assembly contract in Egypt? That's what I'm trying to find out if any of you fine fellas ever heard of such specifics, and they make A LOT of sense that those would be what Sisi & co. would request.
Everyone knows the EAF actually loves their F-16s and even have taken exceptional care of them. We all saw the original block 15 B models that they still fly when they conducted exercise Agile Pheonix with the US. 4 of them at a time were photographed and they had ordered a total of 8 back in 1982 along with 32 A's.
This well-known pic is one of the B models and was taken during Bright Star 1983.
View attachment 53313
This is the 4 of them from Agile Pheonix June 28, 2022, almost exactly 2 years ago this week. That's 42 years so we know they're still flying at least 4 of them out of the 8.
View attachment 53301
View attachment 53302
That's a great testament to the upkeep & maintenance of the EAF and of course, we all know how the entire outside world disses these things just because they don't have AMRAAMs and all of that. It makes sense that they would want those specific Viper & AMRAAM upgrades/orders and finally join the vaunted, AIM-120 BVR Royalty Family "click" and if not for the technical aspect of the upgrade in lethality, just to shut everyone up would be enough of a benefit! So those two requests seem quite valid that they would be made.
We all know the army is looking for new tanks (T-90MS, K2) and with putting all the T-54s/55s/62s in storage and most likely looking to retire the M60s while likely keeping the M60A3s (the latter being the improved version and they seem to like & use them a lot) and they're about half of the total number of 3000 M60 tanks in inventory, it would make total sense to replace those by adding an additional 1400 M1A2SEPv3s at the same time strengthen the entire Abrams fleet. Makes a ton of sense. With their recent interest in the T-90MS & K2 along with the Su-35S it seems like Sisi is letting the American know there are other options, and he will seek them if the US doesn't start playing ball.
I'll post the source once I get better confirmation. I don't feel comfortable giving it out just yet since I really don't know the validity of the details which is why I asked if anyone had heard of those specific requests since they make total sense like I just explained.
Suffice it to say, it does come from a rather interesting individual on social media who I still don't know if he's connected or just a grunt like all of us. But I'm looking into it and will certainly let you all you fine fellas know when I find out.
And from what I only know so far, he a British/Egyptian but from reading some of his rather interesting postings and interactions online, he gives the impression that he has either some level of "inside knowledge", at least on either some diplomatic level of some kind or just on a personal level. I might also be reading too much into all of it of course. But him revealing those specific items & numbers makes me wonder if there is any truth to it all because of not only how fascinating they are, but how they make complete sense.
Waaaaaiiitttt.... You're talking about Viktor! Yeah he gives off the impression that he knows a lot of stuff. I don't agree with everything he says, but I am definitely interested in his point of view on issues.