First specs of Turkish AC project

[LegionnairE]

Turkey will use the 6th generation for aircraft carrier, they already have the Kilzimia capable of taking off from carrier so a new project like Kilzimia/Anka or upgraded versions fully AI capability, cyber, electronic warfare, better composite and stealth, better engine will take it to 6th generation level, like you said why spend alot of money and time on a carrier version which will not be ready before 2040, by that time China and USA will have 6th generation planes.

KE will be capable of taking off from TCG Anadolu or so they tell us.

So what's the point of building another ship? How many do we need to protect Somalia that has NO FUCKING TIES WITH TURKEY

 

[FuturePAF]

I haven't heard a single compelling argument for why that's important for Turkey.

It's a random country in Africa with no cultural ties with Turkey.

You know what's a diamond in the rough? Turkey. We could invest in Turkey. It's a crazy idea I know. I must be crazy.

China has the same thought process. Many in China say, why invest abroad?, we have so much to do at home. But there will always be something to invest in at home, but what is the ROI. There is diminishing returns for every additional investment made after a certain point.

The key is sustainability and funding. If Somalia has proven gas reserves, grow the pie and diversify, invest mostly at home and a little abroad, if you can afford it. If Turkey can get a little venture capital from Qatar, it may cost less than expected. Defiantly not a decision to be taken lightly but not an opportunity to Pooh Pooh off the bat.

At the end of a day it’s a mix of a business decision and a geopolitical decision. So if Turkish diplomats can help stabilize the country, and ink a business deal, think of it as a small business venture, where you send survey ships. Then if it pans out have a debate in your parliament if it suits your national interests.

 

[LegionnairE]

China has the same thought process. Many in China say, why invest abroad?, we have so much to do at home. But there will always be something to invest in at home, but what is the ROI. There is diminishing returns for every additional investment made after a certain point.

The key is sustainability and funding. If Somalia has proven gas reserves, grow the pie and diversify, invest mostly at home and a little abroad, if you can afford it. If Turkey can get a little venture capital from Qatar, it may cost less than expected. Defiantly not a decision to be taken lightly but not an opportunity to Pooh Pooh off the bat.

At the end of a day it’s a mix of a business decision and a geopolitical decision.

We are FAR away from getting diminishing returns. People are still living in tents from last year's earthquake.

We are talking treason here.

 

[PakAl]

KE will be capable of taking off from TCG Anadolu or so they tell us.

So what's the point of building another ship? How many do we need to protect Somalia that has NO FUCKING TIES WITH TURKEY

It's called expanding your military capabilities and expanding your influence in to other nations. Turkey is doing a satisfactory job, I would call it excellent if it wasn't let down by the immature political maneuvers by the government. Turkey will most likely develop more ships when the destroyers are ready.

 

[FuturePAF]

We are FAR away from getting diminishing returns. People are still living in tents from last year's earthquake.

We are talking treason here.

Will enough people push back in parliament, or does it have enough support to go forward?

 

[LegionnairE]

Will enough people push back in parliament, or does it have enough support to go forward?

Parliament is a joke. It's just the ruling party and bureucracy holding the reins here

Imagine post augustus senatus if you know Roman history. There is a parliament but it's a relic of the past, not a functional body.

 

[LegionnairE]

It's called expanding your military capabilities and expanding your influence in to other nations. Turkey is doing a satisfactory job, I would call it excellent if it wasn't let down by the immature political maneuvers by the government. Turkey will most likely develop more ships when the destroyers are ready.

you call it expanding, I call it retardation.

We still have 40+ years old warships in the navy, we still have M113s in the army. After bending over to Sweden we barely got 40 more F-16s.


**** it why not make 10 aircraft carriers.

 

[LegionnairE]

earthquake survivors still living in tents, **** them in the ass, let's invest in Somalia why not? Sounds like a great idea.

 

[hyperman]

Radiator people will never understand the strategic significance of Turkey's investments(difference between donations and investments) in Somalia. They will always look at initial things and complain about "radiator grills", not understand what it will lead to.

Turkey managed to secure exclusive rights to Oil and Gas exploration off the coast of Somalia, to help Somalia develop its Navy and in Return 30% of the profits of the oil and gas exploration will go to Turkey. Turkey's space port will be getting built in Somalia and several other benefits, along with a bridgehead into Africa. But these people will only see "radiator grills", the can't imagine the product down the road.

They think only they are intelligent and everyone else in the entire military, intelligence, diplomatic apparatus is a fool.

 

[MMM-E]

Turkey would be the First Nation with no ocean access to have AC.

After Italy which has AC
Italy has no Ocean access

Italy doesn't have even overseas military bases , except National Military Support Base in Djibouti

 

[MMM-E]

We still have 40+ years old warships in the navy, we still have M113s in the army. After bending over to Sweden we barely got 40 more F-16s.

Turkiye is not sleeping , Turkiye modenize its Navy

Turkiye produce 8 ISTIF class Frigates and 10 new OPVs
also Turkiye modernize 4 MEKO-200 Frigates with the latest technology systems and weapons
also there is TF-2000 Destroyer project ( 4 units )

ISTIF class Frigate

HISAR class OPV


Turkiye has enough money to buy even 350 new Planes from AIRBUS for $100 billion

AC is not a big deal for Turkiye which will over $2 trillion of GDP in the next 10 years

even Turkiye spent $50 billion for over 3,6 million Syrian refugees in Turkiye
that means 10 Aircraft Carriers for $50 billion

 

[FuturePAF]

Radiator people will never understand the strategic significance of Turkey's investments(difference between donations and investments) in Somalia. They will always look at initial things and complain about "radiator grills", not understand what it will lead to.

Turkey managed to secure exclusive rights to Oil and Gas exploration off the coast of Somalia, to help Somalia develop its Navy and in Return 30% of the profits of the oil and gas exploration will go to Turkey. Turkey's space port will be getting built in Somalia and several other benefits, along with a bridgehead into Africa. But these people will only see "radiator grills", the can't imagine the product down the road.

They think only they are intelligent and everyone else in the entire military, intelligence, diplomatic apparatus is a fool.

Considering Turkish forces are already in Mogadishu, what is a realistic additional expenditure on basing a sizable portion of the Turkish navy there?

Could it be more economical to build more airbases in Somalia and base more capable land based fighters there?

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[hyperman]

Considering Turkish forces are already in Mogadishu, what is a realistic additional expenditure on basing a sizable portion of the Turkish navy there?

Could it be more economical to build more airbases in Somalia and base more capable land based fighters there?

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Well a Carrier is moving air support right? say you needed it in other parts of Africa. Say you wanted to be off the coast of Algeria, Tunisia, Libya. The whole point is that it assets can be redeployed, they are not fixed.

What if Turkey determined it needed to support an operation in Sudan, can't exactly do that from Somalia. What if it was in Nigeria, on the other side of the continent?

Bt, not everything is a bombing mission, 90% of the time, French Aircraft carriers are usually doing humanitarian missions and other things.

 

[FuturePAF]

Well a Carrier is moving air support right? say you needed it in other parts of Africa. Say you wanted to be off the coast of Algeria, Tunisia, Libya. The whole point is that it assets can be redeployed, they are not fixed.

What if Turkey determined it needed to support an operation in Sudan, can't exactly do that from Somalia. What if it was in Nigeria, on the other side of the continent?

Bt, not everything is a bombing mission, 90% of the time, French Aircraft carriers are usually doing humanitarian missions and other things.

In that case, what is the state of Turkish expeditionary forces? I agree that only with a carrier can a power be reposition its forces in such a nimble manner. But in Somalia, a lot of the heavy lifting will have to be done with a ground force that to be supported by the locals, so that it isn’t an endless cost to the Turkish people.

What is the state of the oil/gas exploration in Somalia. If Somalia can fund the building of a navy and Turkey has lined itself up as the preferred supplier, it’s a great investment, but if Somalia remains a basket case, it is more one of those humanitarian missions than a sustainable military and commercial enterprise.

 

[MMM-E]

What is the state of the oil/gas exploration in Somalia. If Somalia can fund the building of a navy and Turkey has lined itself up as the preferred supplier, it’s a great investment, but if Somalia remains a basket case, it is more one of those humanitarian missions than a sustainable military and commercial enterprise.

With the support of Turkiye

-- Somali Navy will be established
-- Piracy. Illegal activities , etc will end in Somali territorial waters
-- Al-Shabaab's logistics will be cut
--EEZ will be protected and Somali marine resources will be usable


Turkiye will provide training and equipment to the Somali Navy so it can better safeguard its territorial waters from threats such as terrorism, piracy and foreign interference

Defense and Economic Cooperation Framework Agreement signed between Somalia and Türkiye



Turkiye is a key player in Somalia that lies on the shores of the Indian Ocean , the Gulf of Aden and pathway to the Red Sea.