Five Chinese nationals killed in suicide bomb attack in Pakistan

[KingQamaR]

I think it is justified to strike Afghanistan & Iran every day until it stops.

 

[arjunk]

After confirming response this time inside Afghanistan shud be massive

Not 1 or 2 but 100 plus targets

There are 120 targets in Afghanistan which, if struck, could reduce TTP's capacity to operate by 60-90%

 

[KingQamaR]

There are 120 targets in Afghanistan which, if struck, could reduce TTP's capacity to operate by 60-90%

isnt this an act of war? what are we doing about it? No more targeted strikes. Time to start carpet bombing

 

[Awwad]

There are 120 targets in Afghanistan which, if struck, could reduce TTP's capacity to operate by 60-90%

Source ?

If Pakistan has proper intelligence on 120 targets being used by TTP then whats the wait for? The thing is, Pakistan do not have any whereabouts of TTP command or their network. If ending TTP was that easy, it would have been done already.

 

[RescueRanger]

isnt this an act of war? what are we doing about it? No more targeted strikes. Time to start carpet bombing

Check out the priorities of the captains at the helm of the ship:

 

[Awwad]

isnt this an act of war? what are we doing about it? No more targeted strikes. Time to start carpet bombing

Ah I see, Carpet bombing where exactly?

 

[KingQamaR]

Ah I see, Carpet bombing where exactly?

Hopefully we will keep striking them with devastating force back. This is an act of war turning the other cheek is not good enough. When will the Pakistan government and military actually do their job

 

[RescueRanger]

Hopefully we will keep striking them with devastating force back. This is an act of war turning the other cheek is not good enough. When will the Pakistan government and military actually do their job

One thing is clear, there is a major need for a unified front [Public, Political and Military] on the Afghanistan threat.

 

[Awwad]

Hopefully we will keep striking them with devastating force back. This is an act of war turning the other cheek is not good enough. When will the Pakistan government and military actually do their job

But we need to have proper intelligence that where to bomb. Capable Intelligence agencies works with variety of means, signal intelligence, networks, person infiltration, human intelligence from the ground and somehow they find the command locations of the enemy. Pakistan has capability to strike but we are lacking intelligence.

If you are asking to bomb Afghanistan as a whole, then sorry we don' t have enough ammo to hit everything and everywhere. Afghanistan has 34 provinces and each province has on average 1000 villages. So you got over 30,000 villages. Your ammo will not even last 1% of that much diverse population centers.

That's why I say always have to have good idea about geography, we can't do the bombing campaign without knowing the locations. Yes, if ISI eventually find bad guys then ofcourse and go hit the nest.

 

[FuturePAF]

There are 120 targets in Afghanistan which, if struck, could reduce TTP's capacity to operate by 60-90%

If the targets aren’t logistics, and only humans it is just a recipe for poking a hornets nest. One that will regenerate for every leader that is taken down. Striking armories and supply depot for their munitions is one legitimate target.

What is the state of the smuggling networks? What is used to make IED maybe coming from fertilizer plants in Pakistan, as may have been the case for decades. Cutting off dual use good like fertilizer ahead of the spring planting season maybe one way to show resolve in the face of apathy by the regime in Kabul.

 

[FuturePAF]

One thing is clear, there is a major need for a unified front [Public, Political and Military] on the Afghanistan threat.

Which public? Sure the public doesn’t like these attacks but it’s hard to see many especially in KPK actively helping the state given the current climate.

Unfortunately this is the environment we have feared. The difficulty of COIN, when miscreants can hide in an apathetic populace.

 

[RescueRanger]

Which public? Sure the public doesn’t like these attacks but it’s hard to see many especially in KPK actively helping the state given the current climate.

Unfortunately this is the environment we have feared. The difficulty of COIN, when miscreants can hide in an apathetic populace.

I agree with your assessment, but you know the problem started with a lack of narrative building as far back as 2018, we have only ourselves to blame.

 

[Mirzali Khan]

I agree with your assessment, but you know the problem started with a lack of narrative building as far back as 2018, we have only ourselves to blame.

Didn't the collapse of the narrative happen in the past 2 years?

 

[KingQamaR]

If the targets aren’t logistics, and only humans it is just a recipe for poking a hornets nest. One that will regenerate for every leader that is taken down. Striking armories and supply depot for their munitions is one legitimate target.

What is the state of the smuggling networks? What is used to make IED maybe coming from fertilizer plants in Pakistan, as may have been the case for decades. Cutting off dual use good like fertilizer ahead of the spring planting season maybe one way to show resolve in the face of apathy by the regime in Kabul.

There is no exit strategy, other than confronting and overpowering Kabul , and its allies. So, the best possible outcome of all this, is that the border areas both sides becomes a no-go zone for them, or at best , for the foreseeable future, conservatively amounting to at least years, with a huge variety of worst possible outcomes for Kabul , based on different threats from us from trade and military force. .

 

[RescueRanger]

If the targets aren’t logistics, and only humans it is just a recipe for poking a hornets nest. One that will regenerate for every leader that is taken down. Striking armories and supply depot for their munitions is one legitimate target.

What is the state of the smuggling networks? What is used to make IED maybe coming from fertilizer plants in Pakistan, as may have been the case for decades. Cutting off dual use good like fertilizer ahead of the spring planting season maybe one way to show resolve in the face of apathy by the regime in Kabul.

If the targets aren’t logistics, and only humans it is just a recipe for poking a hornets nest.

Agreed

Striking armories and supply depot for their munitions is one legitimate target.

This is a hard ask, even the US and ISAF with their Human Terrain knowledge lacked the ability to target every cache successfully 100% of the time.

What is the state of the smuggling networks?

Correct question - border remains closed - trade suffers, people on both sides suffer, smuggling continues - more work and research is needed here.

What is used to make IED maybe coming from fertilizer plants in Pakistan, as may have been the case for decades. Cutting off dual use good like fertilizer ahead of the spring planting season maybe one way to show resolve in the face of apathy by the regime in Kabul.

Sir, the issue here is one of corruption when it comes to Ammonia Nitrate based fertilizer. Back in 2010 the US instructed Pak Gov to ban completely the use of AN based fertilizer (the main competent in one popular type of IED used by militants and TTA/TTP).

This fell through in 2011 due to corruption and Mafia mobilizing farmers that the gov was suppressing farmers. The use of fertilizer is quite imbalance and nitrogenous fertilizers contribute >75% of total fertilizer use in Pakistan, which is one of the reasons for low crop yields and low nitrogen recovery. It causes the nitrogen loss and its release to atmosphere and water, mainly as NH3 or N2O gases and NO3, respectively.

Among four common N fertilizers (urea, calcium ammonium nitrate, di-ammonium phosphate, and nitrophos) urea is dominantly used throughout the country, which is more prone to atmospheric losses of N. Looking at demographic projection Pakistan has a steep increase in population at least for next 50 years, demanding more food production. [1]

Work is being done on banning CAN/AN based fertilizer in Pakistan - In December 2023 KP Home Dept issued an order for police to confiscate all C/AN based fertilizer in the markets of the province [2] but what is needed is a concentrated effort to prevent the production of C/AN fertilizer in Pakistan which is not only used for IEDs but is harmful to the overall agricultural production and environment of Pakistan.

But saying and doing are two different things.

[1]https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/B9780128244173000022
[2]https://www.dawn.com/news/1796864