Gaza-Israel Conflict | 2023-2024

[AverageJoe]

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You need real time intelligence to do that. And assets on the ground and sky. Israel can get away with such things without any major consequences as Middle East region is beholden to US/European order. Not even Russia or China try to carry out such assassinations. Or even the US, it is not common. Israel feels emboldened by power of Jewish-American community.

Russia and China have lots to lose economically.

Iran can do it, but leadership is scared. It’s not that hard to hack into cameras, phones or fly drones to gather intelligence or bribe someone in Isreal.

 

[Unknowntruth]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1818727790511796651

Response must be harsh by Iran and Hezbollah. It needs to be a much bigger response than the last time.

 

[Falcon29]

@Persian Gulf
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Idk to trust NYT or not on this subject. What are you thoughts.

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The New York Times, citing informed Iranian officials:

Leaders are considering launching missiles and missiles at military targets in the vicinity of Tel Aviv and Haifa.

Among the options are a coordinated operation from Iran, Yemen, Syria, and Iraq for maximum impact.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1818728959338496128

 

[Persian Gulf]

Yes I see that. I commended Iran's response in April and said it was a powerful and unprecedented one despite many here downplaying it. Let's see what happens in coming days. A strategic target being hit will set red lines. Military or infrastructure of some sort. Or even symbolic like the defense ministry building.

IDF Intelligence HQ in Tel Aviv is a good target.

A strong attack is necessary to enforce red lines and take back the initiative. Clearly the last attack failed to establish deterrence. IRI has failed badly in security, intelligence, and deterrence arenas. There is still time to fix it.

We have to admit Israel showed its capabilities very well in the last few days. To kill Deif in Gaza (claimed), deter Ansarallah, kill the #2 or #3 guy in Hezbollah in Beirut, and take out Haniyeh, in Tehran of all places (in a very clean operation). The Resistance has a lot of catching up to do in terms of intelligence procedures. But we must admit this is a bad period for the Resistance and a good one for Israel.

But that can change very quickly - Ansarallah, Hezbollah, and Iran all have debts to claim from Israel, simultaneously.

Hopefully Iran's attack is led by ballistic missiles rather than drones. And the target isn't an airbase in the desert to ensure no casualties. But the fact remains Israel's attack in Tehran was below the threshold of a direct operation, so this is a limiting factor for Iran.

 

[Falcon29]

Response must be harsh by Iran and Hezbollah. It needs to be a much bigger response than the last time.

The response last time was big and daring. Equivalent of 500 or so airstrikes. The issue was US, UK, France, Jordan and others tried intercepting as many as they can before they reached Israel. On top of Israel's multi-layered US funded and provided anti-missile system.



To overwhelm all these defenses in a manner people want, where 500 actually land and hit, you would need to use a lot of force and resources. But at same time if Israel gets crushed like that they'll panic and start demanding US/NATO intervention immediately. Israel is not as strong as it appears despite that it is slaughtering our people. Our people are defenseless, quite literally.

 

[Unknowntruth]

The response last time was big and daring. Equivalent of 500 or so airstrikes. The issue was US, UK, France, Jordan and others tried intercepting as many as they can before they reached Israel. On top of Israel's multi-layered US funded and provided anti-missile system.



To overwhelm all these defenses in a manner people want, where 500 actually land and hit, you would need to use a lot of force and resources. But at same time if Israel gets crushed like that they'll panic and start demanding US/NATO intervention immediately. Israel is not as strong as it appears despite that it is slaughtering our people. Our people are defenseless, quite literally.

A little material damage is not good enough this time. Response must be made without any prior notice. It must be dealt harshly with greater damage and deaths.

Anything short of that is a failure for Iran and Hezbollah. This means Israel can just keep assassinating people with no repercussions. It is time to cross redlines and send a message.

 

[Falcon29]

IDF Intelligence HQ in Tel Aviv is a good target.

Agreed

A strong attack is necessary to enforce red lines and take back the initiative. Clearly the last attack failed to establish deterrence. IRI has failed badly in security, intelligence, and deterrence arenas. There is still time to fix it.

I think it's a more of question of lawless Israel is. Many people possess capabilities to do such killings or commit genocide, etc.... they don't because international order prevents it. International order does not apply to Israel, apparently.

We have to admit Israel showed its capabilities very well in the last few days. To kill Deif in Gaza (claimed), deter Ansarallah, kill the #2 or #3 guy in Hezbollah in Beirut, and take out Haniyeh, in Tehran of all places (in a very clean operation). The Resistance has a lot of catching up to do in terms of intelligence procedures. But we must admit this is a bad period for the Resistance and a good one for Israel.

It is good and bad. Israel's security was penetrated. Nobody in Israel believes this period is coming to an end and will usher in 50 years of peace. They don't have a end game or vision for what the future will look like. It's uncertain for them. For Palestine, is to continue to uphold the cause and gain legal status as a state. With popular support and so forth. The vision for Israel is uncertain because they're too greedy and controlling. They don't want any nations to surpass them in the region but these nations ultimately will. And Israel will then demand the US and Europe go on a collision course with them. It's not sustainable.

But that can change very quickly - Ansarallah, Hezbollah, and Iran all have debts to claim from Israel, simultaneously.

Indeed

Hopefully Iran's attack is led by ballistic missiles rather than drones. And the target isn't an airbase in the desert to ensure no casualties. But the fact remains Israel's attack in Tehran was below the threshold of a direct operation, so this is a limiting factor for Iran.

Agreed here. The decision to respond directly, if taken, likely is built upon other factors too. Such as Israel's return to escalation in the Syrian arena and trying to take the status quo to pre-April era.

 

[Falcon29]

A little material damage is not good enough this time. Response must be made without any prior notice. It must be dealt harshly with greater damage and deaths.

There was material damage and material costs. You can't inflict so much material damage on a retaliatory strike thats meant to send a warning and establish rules of engagement.

Iran isn't required to respond. But it may do so because Israel is acting out of control and getting bad ideas. Iran is doing us a favor by directly striking Israel.

Anything short of that is a failure for Iran and Hezbollah. This means Israel can just keep assassinating people with no repercussions. It is time to cross redlines and send a message.

Hezbollah needs a effective response. The two situations are different. Hezbollah response could be opening a new equation such as making Haifa a regular target from now on. The reason Hezbollah and Iran approach escalation in this manner is because Israel lacks strategic depth. Basically if it thinks it's infrastructure and military is under threat, by sustained strikes on Tel Aviv, it will call in the US to intervene immediately.

 

[Unknowntruth]

There was material damage and material costs. You can't inflict so much material damage on a retaliatory strike thats meant to send a warning and establish rules of engagement.

Iran isn't required to respond. But it may do so because Israel is acting out of control and getting bad ideas. Iran is doing us a favor by directly striking Israel.

It is not doing us a favor, they killed him in Tehran under the protection of Iran. This is a strike in Iran so it’s also a strike on Iran.

Hezbollah needs an effective response. The two situations are different. Hezbollah response could be opening a new equation such as making Haifa a regular target from now on. The reason Hezbollah and Iran approach escalation in this manner is because Israel lacks strategic depth. Basically if it thinks it's infrastructure and military is under threat, by sustained strikes on Tel Aviv, it will call in the US to intervene immediately.

It doesn’t look like the last retaliatory strike did anything to prevent Israel from crossing red lines.

A retaliatory strike with no teeth means Israel will do as it pleases because it knows no consequences of merit will come to it. It is time to put up or shut up. It’s as simple as that, it’s now or never to make a statement.

 

[BHAN85]

In case of a war, tens or even hundreds of billions would be pumped into the American economy and it is not hard to guess who'd benefits the most: The entities associated with the Military Industrial Complex. Just like in case of the two decades long Afghan war, just like in case of the ongoing Russia-Ukraine war, most money actually ends up in America!!
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I think this NY Times 'analysis' is missing one crucial point: Israel, or specifically Netanyahu, WANTS an escalation to the point of a regional war. A bully in a schoolyard can keep punching someone; the target can only plan for so long that the bully would tire out but if the bully keeps punching then patience can run out.

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www.nytimes.com

Through nearly 10 months of intense war with Hamas in Gaza, Israel has fought a parallel, slower-paced conflict with Hamas’s allies across the Middle East in which all sides have risked major escalation but ultimately avoided dragging the region into a bigger, multi-front war.

The attacks on two of Israel’s leading foes on Tuesday and Wednesday have created one of the biggest challenges to that equilibrium since the fighting began in October.

Israel’s Tuesday night strike on Fuad Shukr, a senior Hezbollah commander in Beirut, was the first time during this war that Israel has targeted such an influential Hezbollah leader in Lebanon’s capital. Hours later, the killing in Iran of Hamas’s political leader, Ismail Haniyeh, was considered the most brazen breach of Iran’s defenses since October.

Taken together, the seniority of the targets, the sensitive location of the strikes and their near simultaneity were viewed as a particularly provocative escalation that has left the region fearing an even bigger response from Iran and its regional proxies, including Hezbollah, the Houthis in Yemen and militias in Iraq. The scale of that reaction could determine whether the low-level regional battle between Israel and the Iranian alliance tips into a full-scale, all-out conflict.


Some analysts said the killing of Mr. Haniyeh, Hamas’s top negotiator, also made a cease-fire deal in Gaza less likely in the immediate future. Israelis hoped that the killing of such an influential leader would eventually help break Hamas’s resolve, making the group more willing to compromise in the long term. But others said that the organization was unlikely to be seriously affected by Mr. Haniyeh’s death.

Despite his title as Hamas’s political leader, Mr. Haniyeh is replaceable, said Joost Hiltermann, the Middle East and North Africa program director for the International Crisis Group.

“Hamas will survive,” he said. “They have plenty of other leaders.”

Analysts also said that both Iran and Hezbollah had reasons to respond in ways that make all-out war less likely. For Iran, the attack on its soil was embarrassing but not catastrophic because it targeted a foreign guest rather than senior Iranian officials, according to Andreas Krieg, an expert on the Middle East at King’s College, London.

“I don’t think necessarily that the Iranians’ strategic calculus has changed,” Mr. Krieg said.

“Iran will have to respond in some way,” he said. “But it’s not a turning point.”

Hezbollah faces more pressure to react than Iran because the strike on Beirut hit one of its own commanders, rather than one of its allies, according to Michael Stephens, a non-resident expert on the Middle East at the Foreign Policy Research Institute, a Philadelphia-based research organization. But it is by no means clear that Mr. Haniyeh’s death in Iran will change Hezbollah’s calculations in Lebanon, Mr. Stephens said.

“We need to be very clear and very careful about how we conflate the two issues,” Mr. Stephens said. “Over the past nine months, Hezbollah has repeatedly shown that what happens to Hamas is not related to Hezbollah’s strategic imperatives. That doesn’t mean there won’t be conflict. I just think the route to getting there is more complex than it seems.”

Past experiences show that de-escalation is still possible. In January, Israeli strikes killed a senior Hamas leader in Hezbollah’s stronghold in Beirut, leading to fears that Hezbollah would mount a particularly fierce response on Hamas’s behalf. Days later, Hezbollah instead chose what was construed as a largely symbolic response, firing a barrage of rockets at an Israeli army base that caused little damaged.

I think the USA final target is a full Israel Iran war, likely it will happen in the Trump administration. They tried several times since 2011, I lost the count of how many times with different lies.

And I think USA behavior is different since Obama administration, they dont need anyone. They just win destroying anywhere outside and decreasing raw materials and energy consumption of the world.

And the better is to decrease in the countries who most waste resources: the most developed USA vassals: Europe, GCC and Japan: Hormuz strait is the key place.

Since Obama administration, USA foreign policy behavior is like more Jewish-Style. Arab spring was that kind of behavior, the kind of things that Jewish elite does, always hiding themselves, always using proxys.

I know it's not your opinion, but my opinion is: Oct 7 was allowed to happen by Israel deep state under USA orders, it's just a guess, maybe wrong, but that's my bet. And the final target of start that kind of things is reach a full Israel Iran war.

 

[Meengla]

Leaders are considering launching missiles and missiles at military targets in the vicinity of Tel Aviv and Haifa.

Among the options are a coordinated operation from Iran, Yemen, Syria, and Iraq for maximum impact.

They should go for it. At least take out some major power plants in Israel.

 

[Meengla]

Hezbollah response could be opening a new equation such as making Haifa a regular target from now on. The reason Hezbollah and Iran approach escalation in this manner is because Israel lacks strategic depth.

The Port of Haifa should be shut down. Leave Tel Aviv alone for now.

 

[Falcon29]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1818714568325005718

 

[Persian Gulf]

It's the only one with the courage to do anything, Iran has single handed led and supported the resistance and the only reason the resistance can fight, what have the Arabs or anyone else done?

Liberation and resistance can take time, when has it ever been about a single strike or act

Israel wants surrender, the resistance is refusing to surrender and Israel is stuck in a continuous battle with major consequences for it

We need to keep going

rare voice of sanity and calm in a sea of shrieking and cheap point scoring. kudos.

 

[Persian Gulf]

"The Iranian Revolutionary Guard"

lol, you think the US Secret Service dread talking a beating form being subpoenaed by a congressional hearing by the WORSE US senators and with their MAGA s&p beards & hairs like that INSUFFEREABLE mule Ted Crud.
what kind of punishment should the most incompetent Middle East Republican guard add intel organization such as this absolute failure of security protocol ON THE HIGHEST DIPPLOMATIC world level should suffer?

If Khamanei doesn't jail and publicly hand every one of them in the square off the light poles ala Saddam Hussein and or executes them ala Hitler stryle or even ALA Egyptian Sisi/SCAF/MUKHABARAT, then they have ZER) respect for Iran in general. At least I gave their ballistic program and IRIAF MORE CREDIT than even any full-blooded Iranian here has I had so much respect for their tenacity against hegemonic influence from the EAST and under all the threats and sanctions themselves, they persevered and became strong n=in their own way. Even a supa dupa jealous guy (not me, just saying) would have to respect that.

BUT NOW, not being able to protect the number 1 wanted many in the WORLD while hosting him in your supposed country that has wort holes in its protectile screen than my french side door plainly SUCKS!

Again, no respect for any BS from Iran Shahed drones or Faten ballistic missiles or an of that solid BS until you show us what kind of me you Shia Iranian who LOVE to stroke the Muslim credit as if it
s competition in the first place and make up for whatever semblance of cicatricial pride you might have left.

For years you Shia gloated about being the only ones who helped the Palestinians instead of extending a hand with Sunnis as all Muslims to take credit as the True & Final religion but instead made it into a sectarian issue. Let's see how Allas (swt) appreciate the purposeful division you've created and see how it's going to come raining down on you know, especially with the Biden/Harris move. What move is best for them now to garner the popular vote as well as the electoral vote and smoke one out before it even starts. This was a brilliant move by the Biden admin and the ziojews to target Iranians left and right at will in Sirya, Israel, IRAN itself the UK and all points Europe cuz Iranian especially IRGC SUCK at intel and are now an ineffective intel organization.

For all you bashers who keep crying rivers all over your wet pants about how treacherous the GCC Arabs, EGYPTIANS, Sriyans, Most Iraqis, Libyans, Jordanians, Tunisians Norhtern non-pocket greases Lebanese and Libyan are not even in the same SHAMEFUL boat as the pathetic secutiry and intelligence apparatus of the IRGC IN TEHRAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE CAPITAL OF IRAN WHICH SHOULD BE GUARDED AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL.

I don't ever want to hear any nitwit start bitching about how Egypt beat the SHIT out of the zionist land-thieving animals and the bead down they've taken since that decided to fight Egypt and how they were more than happy being pigs rolling around in their own fecal matter as long as Egypt doesn't get the latest and greatest because you now that demon states FEARS NO ONE (AND I MEAN NO-ONE) AS IT FEARS EGYPT THE WAY IT PREVENTS ALL ADVANCED WEAPONS FROM BEING AQCQUIRED BY EGYTP BECAUSE EGYPT IT THE ONLY VOUNTTY THAT POSSES AND EXISTENTIAL THREAT TO THE DEMONS AND DON'T YOU SHIA IRANINS AND PAKISTANDS WHO;VE BEEN INSULTING US EGYPTIANS SINCE THIS FORUM EVERY STRATED EVERY OPEN YOUR MOUTHS UNTIL YOU MAKE UP FOR THIS UTTER BLASHPEMOUS FAILURE OF ALLOWIG ISMAHIL HAMEYYA TO DIE UNDER YUOUR WATCH JUST LIKT THE HORRIBLE LOGISTICAL EFFORST YOU TOOK TO PROTECT YOUR OWN PRESIDENT AND FOREIGHT MINISTER. SO DON'T YOU EVERY COME HERE AND GLOAT YOUR IRANIA SUNNI-KILLING SHIA KRIMINALS AT US OVERWEARMINGUL SUNNI MAJORITY OR i AM PREPARED TO START A WAR UNTIL THE PERMAMANENT BAND COMES DOWN, DO'NT GIVE A SHIT ANYMORE BRING IT ON BITCHES!

And if any of all you asshole anti-Egyptian people haters utter a another single word from your SUPER ANTI EGYPTIAN NARRATIVE anti with that stank breath of yours (DALIT) and lie about an article that credits Egypt for investing in its future financec and invetments and someone make it look like its a betrayal to the Palestinian cause? You lying hunk of turd told you straight to your face bith!!!!!!!!!! And if you ever call us beggars while you jerk off at Netherlands bestiality bars for a living but specific anti Arabic bashing, *(what turns you on more, a donkey with his sime shlong or a mule with a semi truc, wait, I know, you like the girthy elephant truck of an ARABIAN HORSE, right? Nostalgi with envy is a dangerous combination)I will keep reminding you of the elemental colossal beast of a failure that this 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00,,00,0,0,0,00,0,0,0,0,,0,0,0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Iranian intel guards/soldiers/IRGC/POLICE/CLOWN COSTUME-wearing loses poli, morality police greater than any Sunni Muslim would've attempted even if the tried LMFAO!!!!!!! And the Shia Irania way with their narrative "oh between us, the HOUTHIS, that bastardized Alawi 12 or mix with the 12ervs who DARE to take on the Great name of The Man himself Hezb Allah (swt) when they're militia efforts against the zionist are beating is noteworthy but are enough to experience a setback that will rock then batch to beyond the stone age. This next pounding the jews pound those bearded monkeys who think they're some kind or military militia lmfaaaaaaoooooo I bet you Geroge Washington's men would've destroyed them with his 1776 weapons.

Let' see you BULLSHIT response to the demons when you warn them for a week prior to giving them every singe coordinate you'll be firing your super cheapo drones and make another feeble attempt and litterellay DESTROYING THE ENTIRE HAMAS CAUSE BY YOUR COMPLETE AND INTOLERABLE INCOPETENCE AT PROTECTINC HAMAS: BIGGEST ASSET and see what happens to you.

And the next moron who DARES talk about Qatar or Egypt not doing enough will get an earful from me until I get permanently banned since I've had it with your worst kind and the only who posted Arabs are cowards and beggars cus they joined the EURO Enion where these scumsucking hogs live in and have to audacity to complain like their shit don't sink higher than hell.

Yallay ya @Falcon29 when you were telling me for years the hypocrisy that is the Shia Kharra and you were so right I just didn't want to break the rules, but after watching all these people die and see that scumbag country not even protect him (let alone guys like their owl Suleimeini) makes you wonder WTF Haneya was doing in that super dangerous and unsafe IRAN and NO OTHER LEADER SHUODL EVER SET FOOT in that shithole which is worse than Haiti uless they bring that pedophile genius' idea of 5 divisions into the Sian LMFAO What a colossal MORON!!!!!! And the other jackboot thug Iranians and Hezis start gettig picked out one by one for the next few months will be a pleasure to watch and Lebanese bitches who think you're somwhere in Europe wearing the yellow Hezzi insignia on the small of their back whey fat, sweaty pigs like Nasrallah is banging them doggie-style can be proud of them ooooohhhh how cure what they be the first going 100ft cat loops across the sky when the shit really starts to hit the fan,

Boy were you so right Let's hope they never get a hold of Aby Obeida and he should distance himself as far as he can go he is next without a doubt.

please take your medication

Egypt still has diplomatic relations with Israel while Iran does not. Nobody from a country which has an Israeli embassy can criticise Iran.