Gaza-Israel Conflict | 2023-2024

[r3alist]

We can look at this as a glass half-empty or glass half-full.

The important thing is the symbolism as even the US lapdog UK has conceded that the terrorist entity may be committing war crimes in Gaza.

This isolates it and the US even further as the rabid mad dogs that they both are.

Cases at ICC/ICJ get even stronger now. Yes this won't effect what happens now but will in the medium to long term.

Yes it would be nice if the UK "grew a pair" and blocked the "sale" of F-35s to the terrorists that occupy Palestine but we know that is never going to happen as the US is firmly under the Zionist boot, and the UK is not a truly independent country when it comes to military procurement.

That's true, I am getting used to being cynical by default

 

[Musings]

It will have no material impact on the Israeli war machine. The UK only suspended 30 out of 350 export licenses with waivers of F-35s and other critical defense equipment. The U.S. will fill the gap caused by the export license suspension.

Ye but its a pretence to show the Muslamic vote they lost during the elections - trying to get them back on board - as if Israel give a flying pie. Wont effect their industrial sized genocide...

 

[Musings]

Sure , it has nothing to do with the fact that all those countries are stinking dictatorships , where protests are forbidden. That too is somhow our fault . . .

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Look at the title of the thread and look where you have ended up. Stick to the topic of current day events and thats the genocide of the Palestinians. The daily rape by Israeli soldiers - the daily bombardment of innocent schools and hospitals - the collective punishment and war crimes being committed. Now be a good boy and stick to the topic

 

[Liquidator]

The UK will suspend some arms sales to Israel, Foreign Secretary David Lammy has announced.

Mr Lammy said the decision follows a review of export licences for UK arms, which found there was a "clear risk" they might be used to commit "a serious violation of international humanitarian law".

It's just lip service to avoid being taken to ICC.

They are suspending some, probably stuff that was no longer needed anyway but will continue with critical things and also intelligence, covert operations etc.

 

[hussain0216]

Trump is better option strategically for Palestinians, his election would make such a friction within society that will lead surely to massive civil unrests and frictions and he would be occupied by that, remember BLM how it went.
It is true that he will sign anything that zionists wants but also will give full legitimacy to the resistance and will broad it, by my opinion i will give simple analogies, this good cop bad cop american policy forced upon palestinians and region is more harmful to them then dealing with permanently bad cop which is bad cop also in his own country.

Their maybe some sense in Trump becoming U.S president

Because he will be such a one sided Zionist scum bag, and cause so much internal divisions within the U.S it allows us to form a opposition and resistance that is firmly pro Palestine

At the moment, politics in the U.S is both controlled by the Zionists and we need to bring change and make Israel a headache

 

[UKBengali]

Their maybe some sense in Trump becoming U.S president

Because he will be such a one sided Zionist scum bag, and cause so much internal divisions within the U.S it allows us to form a opposition and resistance that is firmly pro Palestine

At the moment, politics in the U.S is both controlled by the Zionists and we need to bring change and make Israel a headache

We need to split the Europeans and the US.

Once US becomes no-holds barred fully signed up to the Zionist ethnic cleansing and genocide of the West Bank and Gaza, then Europe will be forced to become pro-Palestine.

Having Kamala Harris in next year will be the worse of two bad options.

 

[hussain0216]

Sure , it has nothing to do with the fact that all those countries are stinking dictatorships , where protests are forbidden. That too is somhow our fault . . .

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It's actually partly is, because Israel is a such a hated colonial shit of a country it has it's tentacles in the U.S

So through the Zionists and neo cons constant war has been waged on middle Eastern countries and dictators supported to keep Israel afloat

Remove the cancerous tumor that is Israel and the entire middle east will change and have a natural progression

Until the Jews remain , the powers of the world will try to force a stays quo regardless of how damaging it is to the population

 

[Liquidator]

Look at the title of the thread and look where you have ended up. Stick to the topic of current day events and thats the genocide of the Palestinians. The daily rape by Israeli soldiers - the daily bombardment of innocent schools and hospitals - the collective punishment and war crimes being committed. Now be a good boy and stick to the topic

I wouldn't use the term collective punishment.

It's a cleaver ploy and psychological trick. Similar to "Israel needs to use proportionate force". Punishment denotes that Palestinians as the occupied have done something wrong and some of them need to be punished. It is completely devoid of a trauma informed approach or the viewpoint of a victim.

Proportionate force means that Israel as the occupier has a right to use force on the occupied, but not too much force.

Both terms, collective punishment and proportionate response go hand in hand. When you take a step back, they make no sense.

Let's look at a scenario. Aliens invade earth, and kill / cleanse the civilian populations to make their own settlements. They do this because their holy book has promised them earth.

Humans fight back. Alieans then attack them.

Aliens are then told, by the intergalactic league of civilizations:

- Guys, please be proportionate. Thanks.

- don't use collective punishment on the humans, not all of them are fighting you. Just kill their fighting aged males. Think you.

It happens to me too ... the way they've spun the 6 hostages deaths is amazing. Showing pictures of the pretty ladies that have died, obviously killed by Israeli themselves, and then I contrast the effects of that narrative vs the 150,000 they've butchered. We all need to take a step back sometimes.

 

[mulj]

Their maybe some sense in Trump becoming U.S president

Because he will be such a one sided Zionist scum bag, and cause so much internal divisions within the U.S it allows us to form a opposition and resistance that is firmly pro Palestine

At the moment, politics in the U.S is both controlled by the Zionists and we need to bring change and make Israel a headache

exactly my thoughts, for example in current ellections if the jill stein get around 5% of votes it could be said that there is nucleus of such movement and political force which will have to be taken in account in future.

 

[hussain0216]

exactly my thoughts, for example in current ellections if the jill stein get around 5% of votes it could be said that there is nucleus of such movement and political force which will have to be taken in account in future.

It's even more, fundamentally the U.S is a dishonest peace broker and always has been on the side of the Zionists, but through aid, control of autocrats and dictators who have turned a blind eye to Israel and even supported it in exchange for support for their dictatorships and legitimacy plus diplomatic language the U.S has been able to support Israel and keep the conflict burning

We need the U.S out, and under Trump who is fundamentally a bombastic idiot, the illusion of fairness goes

We need a alternative world order, and the emergence of both Muslim states and China and Russia

It's why Russia winning in Ukraine is so important, the western world order is a colonial hangover that's gone on too long

(Speed limited, so may be my last message for today)

 

[UKBengali]

I wouldn't use the term collective punishment.

It's a cleaver ploy and psychological trick. Similar to "Israel needs to use proportionate force". Punishment denotes that Palestinians as the occupied have done something wrong and some of them need to be punished.

Proportionate force means that Israel as the occupier has a right to use force on the occupied, but not too much force.

Both terms, collective punishment and proportionate response go hand in hand. When you take a step back, they make no sense.

Let's look at a scenario. Aliens invade earth, and kill / cleanse the civilian populations to make their own settlements. They do this because their holy book has promised them earth.

Humans fight back. Alieans then attack them.

Aliens are then told, by the intergalactic league of civilizations:

- Guys, please be proportionate. Thanks.

- don't use collective punishment on the humans, not all of them are fighting you. Just kill their fighting aged males. Think you.

Unfortunately too many Muslims and "Global Southies" have been conditioned to accept this 19th century colonialist settler state as being a normal entity that has the right to exist within 1967 borders.

Lots of Muslims even think that not accepting this entity has any right to exist is an "extremist" position.

Zionists and the west in effect have brainwashed those people to accept their rules of what is fair and normal. It is a form of mental slavery.

By accepting its right to exist within 1967 borders, you are in effect saying that a white Jew from UK(with no genetic links to the land) has a right to live within this land, but not some Palestinian whose grandfather was expelled from the very same land 80 years ago and has family history going back millenia.

You may notice I never used that word that the UN gives it as that would imply de-facto acceptance of its right to exist.

Now if Palestinians decide for the sake of getting something they are willing to give up 78% of their land to the Zionists, then Muslims should accept and respect their decision.

 

[Davey Crockett]

What by many accounts is the largest protest Israel has ever seen in its history filled the streets of Tel Aviv overnight, with more expected Monday, in the wake of Israel recovering the bodies of six Israeli hostages who were held in a Gaza tunnel.

Estimates by journalists said the anti-Netanyahu protest ranged anywhere from 300,000+ to 750,000 people. They accuse the Israeli prime minister of intentionally stalling and thwarting a hostage swap deal with Hamas, instead prioritizing the military operation which could put some 100 remaining captives in harm's way. Watch: the largest rally of the war...

Record Anti-Netanyahu Protests, Labor Strikes, Bring Israel To A Standstill | ZeroHedge

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[Meengla]

We can look at this as a glass half-empty or glass half-full.
The important thing is the symbolism as even the US lapdog UK has conceded that the terrorist entity may be committing war crimes in Gaza.

Every bit counts! Remember the old saying (in Persian language!) known in Pakistan:
"Grain by grain, a mountain can be built. Drop by drop, a river starts flowing'.
There is no point in thinking negatively: The reality is out in front of us all but, as I keep saying, the Palestinian situation is not hopeless.
Specifically, this UK token/symbolic ban is being talked about in various places, including in Israel. And when Netanyahu himself calls it 'shameful' then you know it is getting under their skin and adding to their overall sense of isolation and despair, and that can't be good for Israel.

PS. I will be traveling starting few hours for five days and not be very active here. FYI.

 

[Indos]

We need to split the Europeans and the US.

Once US becomes no-holds barred fully signed up to the Zionist ethnic cleansing and genocide of the West Bank and Gaza, then Europe will be forced to become pro-Palestine.

Having Kamala Harris in next year will be the worse of two bad options.

While sacrificing civilian lives in the process, more women, kids, babies die...

Not really surprising this coming out from people who supported Hamas....

 

[clutch]

While sacrificing civilian lives in the process, more women, kids, babies die...

Not really surprising this coming out from people who supported Hamas....

You are naive and have bought into the Zionist Western propaganda. It's not about Hamas or it's support. Palestinian Genocide is a result of our own weakness, division, cowardliness, treason, and shift away from our Deen.

Only a just Jihad will save Palestine and ourselves.