Gaza-Israel Conflict | 2023-2024

What B'Tselem conclude was based on general meaning of apartheid; what Israel refute is based on contextual matter.

It is OK to treat non citizen unequally with their own citizen which is justifiable by UN and international community, esp in war condition, although somebody try to distort or exalt the meaning of "apartheid" terminology.
Once again, why do you think I care about what a racist colonizer state thinks? The colonizers own human rights says Israel is an apartheid, NOT ME. Instead of speaking for human rights and being against apartheid all you do is try to make excuses. You think a racist apartheid state is going to admit it? No, but your human rights organization did so that’s enough.

You ask for sources, I give you sources. You deny the sources (even from your own human rights organizations) and then make excuses for Israeli government. It is clear what your agenda is.
 
Thats what many government is doing.
I can't either pass border with Malaysia without getting through Malaysian authority and their checking on the border, and if they reject me to pass then it is justifiable, the territory is under their jurisdiction.

This is also being done by Egypt, Singapore, USA, Arabs countries, China etc.
The stupid Nazi is those who dont know what they are talking about and tend to justify war.



What B'Tselem conclude was based on general meaning of apartheid; what Israel refute is based on contextual matter.

It is OK to treat non citizen unequally with their own citizen which is justifiable by UN and international community, esp in war condition, although somebody try to distort or exalt the meaning of "apartheid" terminology.
Naziness has got to your head. Do you wake up in the morning and polish your Swastika? The world has seen you for what you are , sick Nazis hiding behind the cloak of judaism. How you can justify butchery of children is beyond humanity, may you be shown the same mercy you are showing the Palestinians.
 
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Naziness has got to your head. Do wake up in the morning and polish your Swastika? The world has seen you for what you are , sick Nazis hiding behind the cloak of judaism. How you can justify butchery of children is beyond humanity, may you be shown the same mercy you are showing the Palestinians.
Their mind is so sick and corrupted it’s outrageous anyone with an ounce of humanity can support these blood thirsty tyrants.
 
The issue being Hamas has built a vast underground infrastructure under Gaza and has intentionally embedded itself in the civilian population. Israel is left with no choice.
So it gives you a right to exterminate women and children, what a sick man you are. Are you a member of the KKK?
 
Israel is a democratic country, whoever can have different opinion there.

IMHO actually it is not wrong to say that what Israel is doing on Palestinian meet the apartheid critearia, however the context is different with South Africa in the past; the so called "apartheid" Israel is doing is on their non Citizen which still can be justifiable, while what SA did is on their own citizen which is not justifiable.

What B'Tselem conclude was based on general meaning of apartheid; what Israel refute is based on contextual matter.

At least you should have dropped a tear to reflect your emotion... but you got thick skin... gulped it right up...

You have the audacity to demand proof while your squatters have tied up and usurped a state for themselves...

How telling then it is that it is South Africa, the state and people who faced apartheid... lived in bantustans. Can reflect and recognize and call the colonizer for what it is...

Too bad anton... too bad!
 
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Hamas is a terror organization and committed a mass terror attack on 10/7 murdering over 1,200 people, the vast majority being civilians.

Now Hamas and Gaza are suffering the consequences and you can’t handle it.
Hamas isn't facing Hague... F!...
Zionist terrorists are...
About time as well.
 
The issue being Hamas has built a vast underground infrastructure under Gaza and has intentionally embedded itself in the civilian population. Israel is left with no choice.

A time in not too distant a future, when they'll rejoice and celebrate those tunnels and their resistance as heroic and maked with valor against all odds.

Barbed wired... calorie counted and suppressed... with not a SINGLE MATCHING PLATFORM, WEAPON OR MUNITION... taking on the spawn of devil midwifed by the US on the eve of second world war.

They had nothing but dirt to their name until empires came a knocking on their doorsteps with an agenda and their unwanted.
 
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US poised to give Israel $18 billion in aid this year​

[email protected] NOVEMBER 7, 2023 AID TO ISRAEL, BIDEN, CONGRESS, EMERGENCY AID, SECRET ARMS DEAL

US poised to give Israel $18 billion in aid this year

Throwing American tax dollars at Israel. (photo)

A bill before Congress could potentially hand over an unprecedented amount of “emergency” military aid to Israel, a serial human rights abuser. Clauses in the bill would green-light secret arms deals – and kill civilians.

by Kathryn Shihadah
The war between Israel and Gaza has been all over the news. Gazan fighters – the resistance group Hamas – have little in the way of weapons, and Israel is one of the world’s military superpowers – but the battle is still raging after a month.
The Biden administration, a close ally of Netanyahu’s Israeli government, promised early on to provide emergency military aid to help Israel keep to up its deadly bombardment of Gaza, and legislation is in the works. (Secretary of State Anthony Blinken and Joe Biden had done this type of thing during Israel’s 2014 war against Gaza, giving Israel a quarter of a million dollars to help its forces kill 2,200 Gazans, while Gazan resistance groups killed 72 Israelis, almost all of them soldiers.)
President Biden’s original request was for $106 billion, of which $14.3 billion would be earmarked for Israel, with $61 billion for Ukraine military needs and other line items as well.
This would be big bucks for Israel – and this $14.3 billion would be on top of the $3.8 billion* we already give Israel every year in military aid (nearly $13.1 million per day).
Data: USAID, Congressional Research Service; Note: Excludes missile defense spending; Partial data for 2022–2023; Adjusted for 2022 dollars.
Data: USAID, Congressional Research Service; Note: Excludes missile defense spending; Partial data for 2022–2023; Adjusted for 2022 dollars. (chart)
Without the American public’s consent, American military personnel are already actively involved in the conflict in the air and on the ground. Biden has sent two US aircraft carrier strike groups, a range of fighter aircraft, and at least one Ohio-class submarine to the region. Thousands of troops have already arrived in the Middle East, with more on the way.

What’s the current status of the aid bill?​

Emergency funding for Israel was the first agenda item for newly elected Speaker Mike Johnson. He separated the Israel funding from the rest of the request and tied it to de-funding of the IRS, turning it into a high-stakes partisan issue.
HR 6126, the “Israel Security Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2024” has passed the House (to see how your Congress member voted go here) and is headed for the Senate.
The Senate has vowed not to pass a bill without the Ukraine and other funding; President Biden has threatened to veto it if it comes across his desk.
All this partisan drama is likely to delay the approval of funding for Israel.
That gives Americans a little time to understand the legislation better and do something about it.

Basic contents of the bill​

HR 6126 stipulates that the $14.3 billion in military aid would be used to:
  • replace defense articles that were provided to Israel (and presumably used up in the last 30 days of bombing Gaza)
  • reimburse the Department of Defense (DOD) for defense services and training provided to Israel
  • procure Israel’s Iron Dome and David’s Sling (defense systems against incoming rockets)
  • develop Israel’s Iron Beam (a new, state of the art, “speed-of-light” defense system)
  • fund various State Department programs

What is in the fine print​

The legislatIon – both Biden’s original request and the Republican version – includes provisions that would expand the authorities of the President to transfer defense articles and services from Department of Defense to Israel.
A clause that Biden specifically requested states that part of the $14.3 billion could be used by Israel to purchase military equipment and weapons without Congress’ knowledge. This would remove any public record of the purchases – that is, it would eliminate transparency.
Although the funding is described as an “emergency response,” it may actually be used any time before September 2025. The Israeli government may also set these funds aside for use even beyond 2025 – that is, Israel could purchase arms for years without Congress’ knowledge.
Israel gets most of its aid money at the start of each year, rather than in quarterly installments like other countries. This is significant: It means that Israel earns interest on US military aid money until it is spent – interest paid by the US, since Israel deposits these funds into an interest-bearing account at the New York Federal Reserve Bank.
In addition, because the US government operates at a deficit, it must borrow money in order to give it to Israel and then pay interest on it all year. Together this arrangement has at times cost US taxpayers more than $100 million every year.

What could possibly go wrong?​

The Trump administration used a similar strategy in 2019 to bypass congressional review of an $8.1 billion arms sale to Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Jordan for use in their war with Yemen.
In theory, the United States “seeks to minimize civilian casualties.” The State Department may not approve the transfer of arms if it is known that they will be used intentionally against civilians.
An investigation into the Saudi-UAE-Jordan transaction revealed that the State Department had not done due diligence in assessing the risk of civilian casualties.
In fact, before this secret deal, the Saudi Coalition had a track record of producing “high rates of civilian casualties” – from March 2015 to November 2018, they caused 10,852 combat-related civilian casualties in Yemen. At least some of these involved US-made weapons, and would therefore be subject to the State Department’s arms transfer review process – a process which it failed to carry out properly, for a purchase that Congress did not oversee.
Bottom line, the US made a secret arms deal with a customer known for human rights abuse – and the sale no doubt led to the deaths of many Yemeni civilians.
Israeli air strikes razed parts of Gaza to the ground in a heavy and sustained attack. Now we want to give military aid so it can keep going.
Israeli air strikes razed parts of Gaza to the ground in a heavy and sustained attack. Now we want to give military aid so it can keep going. (photo)

Meanwhile, in Gaza​

Israel has already dropped more than 25,000 tons of explosives on the Gaza Strip since October 7th. According to Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor, this is the equivalent of two nuclear bombs.
Those explosives have killed over 10,000 Gazans in the past month, two-thirds of them women and children. Israel has targeted residential neighborhoods, medical and humanitarian facilities, schools, and infrastructure. The UN reports that Israeli airstrikes have damaged or destroyed 260,000 housing units – 45% of all the housing units in Gaza.
This hardly seems like a country that the US should be making secret arms deals with.
We have already subsidized the killing of thousands of Palestinians.
While the pro-Israel lobby in the US is arguably the most powerful special interest group in the country, and while media coverage of the issue is demonstrably slanted toward Israel, there are growing numbers of Americans who are demanding a stop to Israel’s latest war against Gaza.
Only time will tell whether the lobby or the American public will succeed.
US aid to Israel and Palestinians
US aid to Israel and Palestinians (chart)
* The original article incorrectly stated this amount as $5.3 billion. We apologize for the error.
The headline originally stated a total of $19 billion for 2023. This was based on the 2022 defense budget – which was higher than FY 2023.

Kathryn Shihadah is an editor and staff writer for If Americans Knew. She also blogs occasionally at Palestine Home.
 
I wonder what would you say when the Gazans would be marching in Gaza City in some weeks or months, like Hezbollah did in 2006?
You're delusional.

Israel received more money from the US than the entire military budget of Turkey. They can keep this going indefinitely.
 
So how long is this conflict going to last?
 
Well I don’t know if your saying the Palestinians deserved this collective destruction of society or not kind of weird how you stated but I’m going to step away from it because it could be you chose your wording wrong, I may not agree with some of things that happened on October 7 yes killing of any civilian is wrong be it Muslim Christian Jew or whatever, I totally agree with the military attacks of army bases that are putting a chokehold on Gaza if they had stayed just attacking military targets the support Israelis got to destroy gaza wouldn’t have manifested.
I never said they deserved it but I certainly predicted it.

I don't know what to say about the people who still think palestinians are winning.

So how long is this conflict going to last?

Until israel is satisfied with the amount of people they killed.
 

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