Gaza-Israel Conflict | 2023-2024

[RescueRanger]

@White and Green with M/S i respect your viewpoint but please don’t insult a brotherly country like this.’please

 

[RescueRanger]

"no position" or no determination to help Palestinians?

Again don’t take a random members posts on an internet forum as representative opinion for 280 million Pakistanis. Yes

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Iran is literally fighting the kuffar who are occupying and massacring Palestinians even before Oct 7th, which you seem to think was when the conflict started. Iran is an affront to terrorism and only a terrorist sympathiser would be hurt by this.

Lol you're not fighting kuffar if you are fighting kuffar than first take care of most Palestinian population according to our prophet preaching lol

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

"no position" or no determination to help Palestinians?

No position

 

[Tehrani021]

Lol you're not fighting kuffar if you are fighting kuffar than first take care of most Palestinian population according to our prophet preaching lol

And what is that? Make hijra? Palestinians dont want to make hijra, Arabs dont want them to make hijra. The Prophet's teaching is you stop an injustice with your hands, and if you can't do that you speak out against it, and failing that you hate the evil in your heart as that is the lowest form of eeman. Which one are you and which one is Iran?

 

[Meengla]

So what do you want Palestinian combatants to do, surrender?

Pakistan gains nothing by recognizing Israel and loses Pakistan's moral compass by recognizing Israel when Israel won't give justice to the Palestinians. But Pakistan, due to its own extremely vulnerable geopolitics, lack of resources, not great human resources in a very large population, and above all a stupid military and political class is not capable of doing much for the Palestinians; the country had to kiss American butts in November last year just to get $700 million in IMF tranche to avert a default.
The most Pakistan can do, without incurring the wrath of the Americans/the EU/the GCC etc is to send humanitarian aid and diplomatic support in world forums. If Pakistan ever tries to cross the Americans, then with a mere flick of Biden's pen, there are huge economic consequences for Pakistan and its large hapless population and then people would say: Why we, in our dire situation, did that for the Palestinians when the rich GCC themselves are not helping??
So that's what Pakistan is and Pakistani planners know it well.
As for supporting the Palestinians, it is, IMO, a humanatarian cause above all and thus countries like Colombia, South Africa, Ireland and Indonesia--four different countries, four different continents and different ethnicities and faiths--support Palestinians against a racist colonial enterprise. What do they gain by annoying the sole Superpower?? Not much, if anything.
There is still some humanity left in human being and that idiot Pakistani above with his posts has managed to derail this thread for several pages already now.

 

[Tehrani021]

Pakistan gains nothing by recognizing Israel and loses Pakistan's moral compass by recognizing Israel when Israel won't give justice to the Palestinians. But Pakistan, due to its own extremely vulnerable geopolitics, lack of resources, not great human resources in a very large population, and above all a stupid military and political class is not capable of doing much for the Palestinians; the country had to kiss American butts in November last year just to get $700 million in IMF tranche to avert a default.
The most Pakistan can do, without incurring the wrath of the Americans/the EU/the GCC etc is to send humanitarian aid and diplomatic support in world forums. If Pakistan ever tries to cross the Americans, then with a mere flick of Biden's pen, there are huge economic consequences for Pakistan and its large hapless population and then people would say: Why we, in our dire situation, did that for the Palestinians when the rich GCC themselves are not helping??
So that's what Pakistan is and Pakistani planners know it well.
As for supporting the Palestinians, it is, IMO, a humanatarian cause above all and thus countries like Colombia, South Africa, Ireland and Indonesia--four different countries, four different continents and different ethnicities and faiths--support Palestinians against a racist colonial enterprise. What do they gain by annoying the sole Superpower?? Not much, if anything.
There is still some humanity left in human being and that idiot Pakistani above with his posts has managed to derail this thread for several pages already now.

Alhamdulillah, Iran is beyond caring about "incurring the wrath of X,Y or Z" when it comes to acting against Israel. I feel like if Pakistan did resist Israel with force, certain people here would have to accuse Pak of "terrorism" and "killing Palestinians", for fear of being complete hypocrites!

 

[Khansaheeb]

Soun

Hamas is literally a group of cowards, after attacking they run into their hideouts and tunnel systems exposing innocent Palestinian unarmed civilians to face evil Israeli military that's I called cowardice

Sounds like you writing crap on pdf and running away or an Indian soldier fighting Pakistan. But what can be more cowardly than dropping 1 ton bombs on unarmed civilians and slaughtering civilians to grab land?

 

[Khansaheeb]

What Israel is doing in Gaza now was the obvious reaction to an attack like Oct 7 th . They have been looking for an excuse to wipe the Palestinians out and Hamas gave it to them. Hamas is not a good representative for the Palestinian ppl and neither is the PA. The GCC countries need to come together and make a deal with Israel for a future Palestine state . Iran should stay far away .

Yeh but Oct 7th was the Palestinian response to October 6th where Israelis were arbitrarly slaughtering Palestinian civilians and attacking al-Aqsa Mosque. After all this slaughter and Mayhem , when the Israelis get defeated most of the nasties will run back to Europe and USA and the rest will get hanged.

 

[Shadihassan28]

Where are @Unknowntruth and @Falcon29 our resident Palestinians?

I’m Palestinian……….

 

[RescueRanger]

I’m Palestinian……….

Excellent nice to have you here.

 

[Khansaheeb]

World should stop all these Nazi criminals and arrest them for crimes against humanity, supporting Nazis , murder of women and children, war crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide etc. No more shaking hands with these dirty fu(kers.

Israeli regime's president hit with war criminal charges in Switzerland​

Friday, 19 January 2024 8:41 PM [ Last Update: Friday, 19 January 2024 8:41 PM ]

This is a picture of the Israeli regime president, Isaac Herzog. (File photo by AFP)
The Israeli regime's president has been targeted by Swiss prosecutors over the Zionist forces' genocidal war on the defenseless Palestinians trapped in the besieged Gaza Strip.
Isaac Herzog was handed criminal charges during his visit to Davos, Switzerland, Swiss prosecutors said on Friday.
The Federal Prosecutor's Office (BA) confirmed that it had received a criminal complaint against the Israeli president, who was at the World Economic Forum's annual meeting in Davos on Thursday to discuss the Gaza war.
"The criminal complaints will now be examined in accordance with the usual procedure," BA said in a statement, adding that it was in contact with the foreign ministry "to examine the question of the immunity of the person concerned."
It did not say what the specific complaints were, or who had filed them.

ICJ to examine legal implications of continued Israeli occupation: Palestine’s UN envoy
The Palestinian ambassador to the UN says the International Court of Justice will examine the legal implications of the continued Israeli occupation of Palestine.
However, a statement allegedly issued by the parties who had lodged the complaint, entitled "Legal Action Against Crimes Against Humanity" and obtained by AFP, said several unnamed individuals had filed charges with federal prosecutors and with cantonal authorities in Basel, Bern and Zurich.
The statement said the plaintiffs were seeking a criminal prosecution in parallel to a case brought before the UN's International Court of Justice by South Africa, which accuses Israel of genocide in its air and ground offensive in Gaza.
Addressing the issue of immunity, the statement suggested that it could be lifted "in certain circumstances", including in cases of alleged crimes against humanity, adding that "these conditions are met in this case".
South Africa launched the emergency case at the ICJ in The Hague this month, arguing that Israel had breached the 1948 UN Genocide Convention.

South Africa files ICJ lawsuit against Israel over ‘genocidal acts’
South Africa has instituted proceedings against Israel at the International Court of Justice over the regime’s "genocidal" onslaught on Gaza.
South Africa demanded that the judges order Israel to halt its attacks on the Palestinian territory. Israel has denounced the case as "distorted".
Meanwhile, the relentless Israeli regime forces attacks on Gaza have ravaged the Palestinian territory since early October.
So far, the Israeli war machine has killed a total of 24,762 Palestinians, mostly women and children and the elderly, and injured at least 62,108 others, according to the Gaza health ministry on Friday.
Palestinian Hamas resistance group launched an operation against the Israelis on October 7, in response to the Zionists' decades-long atrocities against Palestinians.

South Africa calls on ICJ to declare Israel as 'apartheid state'
South Africa demand Israel to be declared an apartheid state at the International Court of Justice (ICJ).
Meanwhile, the Israeli regime official has expressed his outrage over the case lodged against him by the anti-Apartheid South African government.
Herzog argued that Palestinians’ suffering was the only way the Israeli Apartheid regime could defend itself against its enemies.
"We care. It is painful for us that our neighbors are suffering so much," the two-faced president said in regard to the Zionist regime's decades-long annihilation of the Palestinians and the years-long destruction of Gaza.

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[Khansaheeb]

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The Israeli regime ramps up its aggression against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

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Israel ramps up aggression on Gaza despite claims of shift to low-intensity phase​

Saturday, 20 January 2024 8:29 AM [ Last Update: Saturday, 20 January 2024 10:53 AM ]

A Palestinian child is rescued from under the rubble after Israeli strikes on Gaza City on January 20, 2024. (Photo by Shehab)
The Israeli regime has ramped up its US-backed aggression against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip despite claims about shifting to a "low-intensity phase" in the months-long genocidal war in the besieged territory.
Palestinian media reported on Saturday a surge in Israeli attacks in the south of the Gaza Strip, citing witnesses as saying that the regime’s bombardment was mostly focused overnight on Khan Yunis in the south as well as on Jabalia in the north.
Reports said Israeli strikes targeted Batn al-Sameen neighborhood in the south of Khan Yunis and violent clashes took place in the vicinity of Nasser Medical Complex.

Palestine's Shehab news agency said the occupation planes also targeted a house near al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza and a baby boy was recovered alive from under the rubble.
Palestinian Red Crescent announced that its crews had over the past day “dealt with 10 martyrs and 21 injuries as a result of Zionist bombing that targeted various areas in Jabalia.”
The Gaza health ministry said on Friday that 142 Palestinians had been killed and 278 injured in the Strip over the past 24 hours, confirming that the total number of Palestinians killed since the beginning of the Israeli war in early October was over 24,620, in addition to more than 6,1830 injured and thousands missing.
The illegal entity claimed earlier in the month that it had shifted to a "low-intensity phase" of its war in Gaza, however daily tallies of the Palestinian death toll remain high.
Palestinian media said 172 people were killed in the Israeli shelling of Gaza on Thursday, 163 Palestinians on Wednesday and 158 and 132 others on Tuesday and Monday, respectively.
Since Israel started its genocidal war on Gaza on October 7, the United States and its western allies have provided unrestricted financial and logistical support to the occupying entity in its incessant bombardment campaign against civilians in the besieged territory.

Nothing justifies what Israel has done in Gaza: UN expert
UN expert underscores multiple instances of breach of the international law by the Israeli regime, which has brought Gaza under a genocidal war.
US opposes ceasefire in Gaza; UK okays arms sales to Israel
The White House said in a statement that US President Joe Biden and Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu held a phone conversation late on Friday, with the former reiterating Washington’s rejection of a ceasefire in Gaza despite the rising death toll and saying, "The US still opposes a general ceasefire in Gaza.”
"The president also discussed his vision for a more durable peace and security for Israel fully integrated within the region and a two state-solution with Israel’s security guaranteed," the White House said about their call.
Meanwhile, UK's Foreign Secretary David Cameron recommended on Friday arms sales to Israel in defiance of "serious concerns" from legal and human rights groups that Israel had breached international law in its war on Gaza.
Claiming that Israel was committed to complying with international humanitarian law, Cameron advised the Trade and Business Secretary Kemi Badenoch not to suspend export licenses for UK arms sales to Israel.
Israel launched the war on Gaza on October 7 after the Palestinian resistance movement Hamas waged the surprise Operation Al-Aqsa Storm against the occupying entity in response to the Israeli regime's decades-long campaign of bloodletting and devastation against Palestinians.
Gaza's Government Media Office said on Thursday that the regime had dropped more than 65,000 tons of missiles and bombs on Gaza throughout the war.
Thousands of Palestinians are missing and presumed dead under the rubble in Gaza, which is under “complete siege” by Israel.

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[Khansaheeb]

Paradigm Shift: A Time of Universal Lunacy and Deceit

In a stirring piece, Paul Edwards discusses the unprecedented failure of the American Empire’s Propaganda Machine. He highlights the public’s rejection of the Israeli genocide, indicating a p…

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Paradigm Shift: A Time of Universal Lunacy and Deceit​

By Paul Edwards

An astonishing thing has happened in America that has never occurred in the lifetime of anyone now living. No, it’s not the crushing win of Trump in Iowa, nor the absurd determination of Democrats to run the senile ninny who has made a joke of our Presidency for another term. These, in their way astonishing, are mere trivialities in this time of universal lunacy and deceit.
I mean an honest to god paradigm shift everyone can see that official wise men with public platforms and megaphones have not announced, or perhaps even noticed. I’m talking about the first clear, undeniable instance of the failure of the American Empire’s Propaganda Machine.
It has been clear for decades, generations, that the American political elite has no regard for, and no sense of responsibility to, the actual needs and desires of the ignorant, disorganized public. It has always dealt with their inchoate hopes by indoctrination, by arousing and enlisting their imbecile enthusiasms in a mythology of tawdry, tribal patriotism based on the premise that they are a glorious, superior people whose leaders courageously embody and implement their magnificence all over the world.
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The techniques of propaganda are refined, but their effect is entirely due to grotesque pandering to the worst susceptibilities of the human ego: the desire to assert one’s superlative worth as a member of a powerful, violent, conquering nation. The force of that tactic, endlessly repeated, rendered American citizenry, with rare exceptions, one solid, deluded, unthinking mass, devoted to whatever vicious, imperial ends the political elite intended.
Their trained mass response, sure as that of performing seals, has, for the first time ever, failed in regard to the Gaza genocide.
Both parties in Congress are solidly behind their putative leaders in full support of whatever violence Nazi Zionist Israel inflicts on the Palestinian people. This is true across the spectrum, from the pathetic halfwits and defectives in the MAGA sump to mock-noble, self-declared moral poseurs such as Bernie and AOL. Tlaib is the one outcast who has dared to affirm the humanity of Palestinians, while the rest join solemnly to prevent a ceasefire, which would, they say, balk the Zionist’s “right of self-defence”.
With this level of unanimity, solid from the addled, babbling, derelict President down, presented forcefully, continually, to the nation from every organ in the Propaganda Machine, the certain positive response was confidently awaited. It has not come.
In spite of all our corrupt, Zionist-owned government has done to enlist its support for the wholesale murder of a people, the American public has not bought it, and is not coming around. By an overwhelming majority Americans reject the message of the Machine, and adamantly disapprove of the Israeli genocide.
Try to recall a single moment when the diktat of the Machine was not ingested and regurgitated by the whole American public. It took years and thousands of body bags to sour them on the Viet Nam horror. The whole country was galvanized behind the lies that led to wars on Afghanistan, Iraq and its nonexistent WMDs, and it embraced the obscene “War on Terror” with all its follies.
Recall the wildly dishonest demonization of Qaddafi, Assad and Iran that Americans swallowed. When Putin was Hitlerized for exposing U.S. treachery in expanding NATO to Russia’s borders, and defending ethnic Russian Ukrainians from attacks by rabid Ukronazi Banderites, Americans ate it up and roared approval.
Xi of China is the next candidate for diabolization, but this first failure of the Machine will create doubt as to the ability of our rotten government to manage its victim people. The question now is whether The Empire’s iron grip on their minds has been permanently impaired by its total, and totally despicable, support for the criminal brutality of an evil and illegitimate state.
It will be a delicious irony if the billionaire Zionists who bought our Congress find that the felon state it has supported against American interests has destroyed itself, and broken the death grip its money has exerted in subverting and betraying us all.
Depending on the endgame of the Zionist genocide—chiefly, on whether their murderous barbarity results in a deadly regional war—the effect on The Empire will be either crippling international infamy, or perilous, punishing engagement in a war that has the potential to utterly destroy many nations, including ours.
The American Empire has not represented the interests of its people for decades, if it ever did, and has only kept them in a kind of mental and emotional lockdown through controlling their perception of reality. Nothing has been done for the generality of Americans since the last great threat to Capitalism in the Great Depression, which resulted in Social Security and Medicare.
It is intriguing to wonder what grand advancements might come for The People if the state were to be run for their benefit. That, of course, will never happen under Imperial Capitalism which will fight to the end for its absolute rule by any means possible until it self destructs from massive and insoluble financial fraud, or is hammered and obliterated in an intentionally provoked war.
T.S. Elliot predicted long ago that the world would not end “in a bang, but a whimper”. This seems unlikely now when the likely ends are implosion or explosion. How profoundly sad it will be if the American people have thrown off the terrible strait jacket of imperial mind control just when it doesn’t matter any more.
Paul Edwards is a writer and film-maker in Montana. He can be reached at: [email protected]