Gaza-Israel Conflict | 2023-2024

Hamas defending their people and fighting an occupation is not considered terrorism under international law.

Depends on the meaning of freedom (from occupation) that they use.

Their definition of freedom is ambiguous, sometimes it refers to the freedom of occupation on west bank, sometimes it refers to the freedom from Israel control of borders, sometimes it means the freedom from the existence of Israel state.

The fighting to get the freedom in the first 2 meaning as long as not fighting civilian will not be considered terrorism under international law.

But the fighting to get the freedom in the last meaning (extermination of Israel), or attacking like 7th October 2023 will be considered terrorism under international law.

There is impression that they like to use this ambiguity to deceive international world in order to get international community support on their fighting which if they win it will end up with the extermination of Israel. @oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ
 
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Now Hamas's armed wing bashes Iran for trying to claim credit for their operation or suggesting it's intended to avenge someone they won't even avenge themselves. Iran better respect itself from now on. It's role is no more than providing a portion of the Qassam Brigades funds to spend on what they deem necessary and can acquire.
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Abu Ubaida: We fight for our rights and our people

An Hamas message to the Revolutionary Guard.

 
Now Hamas's armed wing bashes Iran for trying to claim credit for their operation or suggesting it's intended to avenge someone they won't even avenge themselves. Iran better respect itself from now on. It's role is no more than providing a portion of the Qassam Brigades funds to spend on what they deem necessary and can acquire.
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Abu Ubaida: We fight for our rights and our people

An Hamas message to the Revolutionary Guard.



This was a good development.

It is now made clear for everyone to have realistic expectations.

Palestine fights for Palestinian rights.

Lebanon fights for Lebanese rights.
If Lebanon fires limited rockets to Israel, it is for Lebanese protection only.

It is Lebanon business only.

Lebanese society should agree on any escalation.
 
Huh... read it again... if you can reconcile with what you wrote, why bother me?

You asked pre 1948... they were the definition of terror! ... go back in history and the very word terror was used by romans against the jews all the way back!

Second, zionism is definition of terror on natives by uprooting them and supplanting them with zionists!!!

This ideology enables all former colonizers to reinvade and conquer their colonies, uprooting natives.

Palestinians are textbook definition of resistance against occupation. They must get rid of invaders and reclaim independence... one against The most ruthless and ideological of foes on the face of the earth!

Could you show us the article in Zionism charter saying their intention to uprooting arab Palestinian?

They just want a homeland, without removing arab Palestine illegally the way Roman Empire/Rashidun Chaliphate/Ottoman Empire did previously.

They immigrating jews purchased lot of properties there legally from arabs there.

The purchase were no under force, those were deals between jewish and arabs, and arab Palestinian received money in exchange.

How come the legal purchases become illegal for you? They also have 27% arab population that Israel treat well as citizen, of course as long as they dont support Israel's enemy.

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This was a good development.

It is now made clear for everyone to have realistic expectations.

Palestine fights for Palestinian rights.

Lebanon fights for Lebanese rights.
If Lebanon fires limited rockets to Israel, it is for Lebanese protection only.

It is Lebanon business only.

Lebanese society should agree on any escalation.
What's clear:

Iran has nothing to do with Hamas operation training, planning, or execution. And it was most certainly not a revenge for a man that has no value or recognition in the middle East that served as a poster boy for Iranian regime, that not even Iran cared for.

Hezbollah didn't fire limited rockets for Lebanese protection. They specifically state it's out of solidarity with the Palestinians.

Houthi's made the decision to blockade Israeli ships at the Red Sea, not Iran. They went out and even condemned Iran for claiming they control the Bab Al Mandeb, lol.

Iranian narcissistic and arrogant regime/leadership are aggravating their allies. Just because I may have one issue with Hezbollah does not mean you own Hezbollah or direct it either. This specific rebuttal is targeted at Iran's leadership. Nobody else.
 
What's clear:

Iran has nothing to do with Hamas operation training, planning, or execution. And it was most certainly not a revenge for a man that has no value or recognition in the middle East that served as a poster boy for Iranian regime, that not even Iran cared for.

Hezbollah didn't fire limited rockets for Lebanese protection. They specifically state it's out of solidarity with the Palestinians.

Houthi's made the decision to blockade Israeli ships at the Red Sea, not Iran. They went out and even condemned Iran for claiming they control the Bab Al Mandeb, lol.

Iranian narcissistic and arrogant regime/leadership are aggravating their allies. Just because I may have one issue with Hezbollah does not mean you own Hezbollah or direct it either. This specific rebuttal is targeted at Iran's leadership. Nobody else.

You fail to understand Lebanon and Iran are independent countries and not a proxy.

Lebanon solidarity and rocket firing at Israel was for Lebanon protection also. It solidified red lines.
Any statement issued was for Lebanon.
Any condolences was for Lebanon in essence.

You wanted Lebanon to enter the war on multiple comments. Yet they are not your proxy.

It is US that says they are blocking missile transfer from Iran to Yemen to stop the ship attacks. Iran has denied the transfer of missiles officially.

Finally look at 50% Palestinian Jordanians. They have done zilch for other Palestinians.

Christian Lebanese ask Hizbullah about those Palestinian Jordanians every single day.
 
Hamas: We call on the free masses around the world to continue all manifestations of solidarity and support for our people and our just Palestinian cause, and let the remaining few days of this year be a unified global cry, in all languages and across all religions, sects and races, and with the one voice of humanity; To stop the aggression and war of extermination against Gaza.


You fail to understand Lebanon and Iran are independent countries and not a proxy.

Lebanon solidarity and rocket firing at Israel was for Lebanon protection also. It solidified red lines.
Lol, what red lines? Before it was Jerusalem, then ground invasion in Gaza, then attacks on civilians/homes in Lebanon, then attacks on Beirut .... If Israel wants to actually attack them they will do it. But, they just had a gas deal struck with Hezbollah and Lebanon. And they will come to an agreement again or calming down of tensions once Israeli genocide of Gaza comes to a halt.

It's not red lines of Hezbollah more like they're preserving red line of keeping peace and shelling Israeli settlements. Israel won't get in
 
Hamas: We call on the free masses around the world to continue all manifestations of solidarity and support for our people and our just Palestinian cause, and let the remaining few days of this year be a unified global cry, in all languages and across all religions, sects and races, and with the one voice of humanity; To stop the aggression and war of extermination against Gaza.



Lol, what red lines? Before it was Jerusalem, then ground invasion in Gaza, then attacks on civilians/homes in Lebanon, then attacks on Beirut .... If Israel wants to actually attack them they will do it. But, they just had a gas deal struck with Hezbollah and Lebanon. And they will come to an agreement again or calming down of tensions once Israeli genocide of Gaza comes to a halt.

It's not red lines of Hezbollah more like they're preserving red line of keeping peace and shelling Israeli settlements. Israel won't get in

They have to protect the Lebanese rights. It is their statement rights.
It is Lebanon business. To fire or not
Any support for Hamas is in essence protecting Lebanon only.

Gaza also did the best thing for Gaza. Israelis were slowly torturing Gaza to annihilation. Gaza made it a victory.
They did that for Gazans.

Compared to Palestinians in Jordan, both are doing a great job.

patience will bring victory not weapons.
 
Seems like global sympathy for hamas and palestine is dying out as most western soceity is labelling peaceful muslims protests as radicalisation and pressurising govt to take steps to curb islamic migration in to their western countries and therefore most of the muslim poulation is realising these protest might put them at risk of getting extradiated in to their mother land .
Tough times ahead if you are western muslim and follow your life like a true islamic faith.
 
Seems like global sympathy for hamas and palestine is dying out as most western soceity is labelling peaceful muslims protests as radicalisation and pressurising govt to take steps to curb islamic migration in to their western countries and therefore most of the muslim poulation is realising these protest might put them at risk of getting extradiated in to their mother land .
Tough times ahead if you are western muslim and follow your life like a true islamic faith.

For victory, you do not need anyone.
You need faith and patience.

PLO disintegrated to a dying lamb because of not having patience.

Soon Israeli mission in West Bank will kick off.

If they see weakness, also Lebanon and Syria and Sinai.
 
For victory, you do not need anyone.
You need faith and patience.

PLO disintegrated to a dying lamb because of not having patience.

Soon Israeli mission in West Bank will kick off.

If they see weakness, also Lebanon and Syria and Sinai.
TRue, the world only understand one language that is strength israel is able to defeat muslim nation so many times that arabs have a fear for them.
 
Could you show us the article in Zionism charter saying their intention to uprooting arab Palestinian?

They just want a homeland, without removing arab Palestine illegally the way Roman Empire/Rashidun Chaliphate/Ottoman Empire did previously.

They immigrating jews purchased lot of properties there legally from arabs there.

The purchase were no under force, those were deals between jewish and arabs, and arab Palestinian received money in exchange.

How come the legal purchases become illegal for you? They also have 27% arab population that Israel treat well as citizen, of course as long as they dont support Israel's enemy.

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Who is "us"?


Yes Palestine and Palestinians are and were for sale...

Or, oh gosh they don't let us buy them, their land... Darn, bad Arab... down you Arab!

Did you bother checking that Omar(R.A) was the one who actually allowed the return of Jews to the holy land.
But who am I kidding...
Oh, and kid, do some homework and show when and where "Ottomans" exiled jews!!!
They did quite the opposite in fact, and in hindsight to the detriment of Palestinians and Muslims, at large!

Here's a thought why do they always find a way to get thrown out of places... now be a good Anton and count all the places they've been yanked out, exiled from...
How many and who committed the pogroms?
Heck they started the first crusades by killing their native jews!!!
the innocent lil zionist just wanted to buy a piece of land... yes!
Yes John Nelson Darby and the unlikely theology, Zionism!
Nakba, the concept of "transfer"
Heard it before somewhere, Anton?
Did I answer your question about zionist terrorism?
So the goal post is shifted to a manifesto and not manifestation, right‽
So take it step by step... what is settler colonialism?

Here's something to keep you occupied and not bother me... with references of course... I couldn't be bothered ...


Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, Illan Pappe

See, I can't fix stupid but you insist, I play...

Let's play...
 
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Seems like global sympathy for hamas and palestine is dying out as most western soceity is labelling peaceful muslims protests as radicalisation and pressurising govt to take steps to curb islamic migration in to their western countries and therefore most of the muslim poulation is realising these protest might put them at risk of getting extradiated in to their mother land .
Tough times ahead if you are western muslim and follow your life like a true islamic faith.
Antonious you really need to get a life. How sad is your life, already 3 alt accounts on the new forum. You want to be Hitler to wipe out Muslims but you don't even have a life amongst your own people, lol.
 

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