HAL LCA Tejas: Updates, News & Discussions

[Guynextdoor]

Not that BS again

You are aware that Grippen, EFT etc. are more than 25 years old?

 

[Deino]

You are aware that Grippen, EFT etc. are more than 25 years old?

Yes I am but how is this relevant for his false claim the Tejas would be „as modern as Rafales, gripen or Euro fighter typhoon“ even more so since all three others are success and mature?

 

[Guynextdoor]

Yes I am but how is this relevant for his false claim the Tejas would be „as modern as Rafales, gripen or Euro fighter typhoon“ even more so since all three others are success and mature?

you're saying that LCA cannot match Grippen, which is actually almost 40 years old? These are similarly capable aircraft in different classes. Grippen in mid/ multi class and LCA in light class.

 

[Deino]

you're saying that LCA cannot match Grippen, which is actually almost 40 years old? These are similarly capable aircraft in different classes. Grippen in mid/ multi class and LCA in light class.

Yes and even within its class in what excels it other designs? In fact even as a light fighter today it is in nothing remarkable and given its age - yes, comparable to others - they are at least capable, operational in numbers since years and now this @Pataliputra guy tries to portray it as comparable to the Rafale, Typhoon and Gripen and this is neither correct in terms of capabilities nor technical standard and even if maybe on paper it is not mature … otherwise the IAF would not be so eager for Mk.2

 

[Guynextdoor]

Yes and even within its class in what excels it other designs? In fact even as a light fighter today it is in nothing remarkable and given its age - yes, comparable to others - they are at least capable, operational in numbers since years and now this @Pataliputra guy tries to portray it as comparable to the Rafale, Typhoon and Gripen and this is neither correct in terms of capabilities nor technical standard and even if maybe on paper it is not mature … otherwise the IAF would not be so eager for Mk.2

what exactly is 'unremarkable' about LCA?

 

[Deino]

what exactly is 'unremarkable' about LCA?

Just in return: what is remarkable?

If you mean it is remarkable that it still isn’t in service in numbers the IAF urgently needs, not capable to fulfill the missions needed today and that all Fred decades of development and hyperbole claims by HAL and the Indian fan-boy community, then I agree.

 

[silicon0000]

You are aware that Grippen, EFT etc. are more than 25 years old?

Yes I am but how is this relevant for his false claim the Tejas would be „as modern as Rafales, gripen or Euro fighter typhoon“ even more so since all three others are success and mature?

Actually both of you are correct, Just need to understand others point of view.

1- Tejas is more modern (New) than Rafale/EuroFighter.
2- Rafale/Eurofighter are more capable than Tejas.

Both statement are correct actually.

Be Happy Guys

 

[Pataliputra]

It's might be more modern than Rafale and Euro Fighter but definitely less capable. Tejas is very good fighter jet in it's class but claiming it's better than 5th Gen or even Rafale, EuroFighter, F16 Block-70 & J10C is foolishness and nothing.

As @vikNerv said yes in fight whole ecosystem involved and that's a major factor but on one on one comparison, Keep LCA Tejas in it's place. @Pataliputra If you want to compare Tejas, compare it with JF17, Older block of F-16, Gripen etc but please compare logically and with facts which is acceptable to world.



@vikNerv agreed with you dear.

Tejas, equipped with Meteor or Astra MK3 missiles, will have the first see and first fire advantage against the F-16 Block 70, allowing it to easily down the F-16 in a one-on-one fight.

 

[Guynextdoor]

Just in return: what is remarkable?

If you mean it is remarkable that it still isn’t in service in numbers the IAF urgently needs, not capable to fulfill the missions needed today and that all Fred decades of development and hyperbole claims by HAL and the Indian fan-boy community, then I agree.

You're saying it is 'below' the peers. In what way? Technologically it is in ballpark every way. So it is for your to say what is 'below' since you're the one making the claim.

 

[Guynextdoor]

Actually both of you are correct, Just need to understand others point of view.

1- Tejas is more modern (New) than Rafale/EuroFighter.
2- Rafale/Eurofighter are more capable than Tejas.

Both statement are correct actually.

Be Happy Guys

what 'capability' are you comparing?
1) Tejas is a point defence fighter with great contemporary package of AESA Radar, reliable engine and excellent FBW
b) Gippen is a medium fighter with great contemporary package of AESA Radar, reliable engine and excellent FBW

what exactly is the 'capability loss'?

 

[Pataliputra]

Yes and even within its class in what excels it other designs? In fact even as a light fighter today it is in nothing remarkable and given its age - yes, comparable to others - they are at least capable, operational in numbers since years and now this @Pataliputra guy tries to portray it as comparable to the Rafale, Typhoon and Gripen and this is neither correct in terms of capabilities nor technical standard and even if maybe on paper it is not mature … otherwise the IAF would not be so eager for Mk.2

How is Tejas less capable? You keep repeating that it's less capable like a parrot, but you don't explain how or in what way it's less capable.

 

[Deino]

You're saying it is 'below' the peers. In what way? Technologically it is in ballpark every way. So it is for your to say what is 'below' since you're the one making the claim.

Come on … in almost everything: range, weapons load, overall capabilities and since you mention the top-notch AESA radar, how many of them already use it (in fact at best the few Mk.1A)? And even if, the Tejas itself is not yet a mature system … how does it compare against the peer competitors?

And finally? There is no longer a need for a short-range light weight fighter in modern battlefields especially when you try to compete with China.

How is Tejas less capable? You keep repeating that it's less capable like a parrot, but you don't explain how or in what way it's less capable.

Again in return: in what way does it excel or even reach the capabilities of any of the peer contenders? In none and it comes too late, in too small numbers … and that all at a time China is almost replacing the J-10 with 5th generation fighters and the 6th generation type is already on the horizon.

The Tejas Mk.2 will surely be a formidable fighter but it comes too late

 

[silicon0000]

Tejas, equipped with Meteor or Astra MK3 missiles, will have the first see and first fire advantage against the F-16 Block 70, allowing it to easily down the F-16 in a one-on-one fight.

Tejas is not equipped with either Meteor and Astra MK3 is not even ready yet, all are "will happen" thing. Tejas radar has low TR number and have limited range and can't get benefit of full range of these missiles. F16-70 radar is way ahead of Tejas radar. Tejas EL/M-2052 AESA radar is even inferior than KLJ-7A AESA radar in term of TR module and range.

Everything about Tejas is "will happen" which "happen too late"

what 'capability' are you comparing?
1) Tejas is a point defence fighter with great contemporary package of AESA Radar, reliable engine and excellent FBW
b) Gippen is a medium fighter with great contemporary package of AESA Radar, reliable engine and excellent FBW

what exactly is the 'capability loss'?

F22 also have contemporary package of AESA Radar, reliable engine and excellent FBW

what exactly is the "Capability Loss"?

As per Indian logic Tejas is atleast as good as F22, infact Tejas being more modern is actually better than F22:

 

[Fifa124]

Tejas EL/M-2052 AESA radar is even inferior than KLJ-7A AESA radar in term of TR module and range.

Air-cooled radars, like the KL7 AESA, can overheat and work less effectively in hot conditions. Liquid-cooled radars, like the Uttam & EL/M-2052 AESA, stay cooler and work better, even when used a lot.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/swarajyamag.com/amp/story/defence%252Findias-uttam-aesa-radar-is-close-to-clearing-a-major-milestone-heres-the-lowdown

 

[Guynextdoor]

Come on … in almost everything: range, weapons load, overall capabilities and since you mention the top-notch AESA radar, how many of them already use it (in fact at best the few Mk.1A)? And even if, the Tejas itself is not yet a mature system … how does it compare against the peer competitors?

And finally? There is no longer a need for a short-range light weight fighter in modern battlefields especially when you try to compete with China.



Again in return: in what way does it excel or even reach the capabilities of any of the peer contenders? In none and it comes too late, in too small numbers … and that all at a time China is almost replacing the J-10 with 5th generation fighters and the 6th generation type is already on the horizon.

The Tejas Mk.2 will surely be a formidable fighter but it comes too late

Who told you it's not a mature system? And who told you there's no need for short range light weight fighter in modern scenarios?

You think an AESA which is used both for (already) for AWACS and planned for Su 30, one of the best pedigree fighters in the world is not up to scracth?

And a country with high density consntrated populations with conjoint assets like nuclear reactors doesn't need point defence fighters?

If you don't know about this stuff, then maybe stay away from vague ststaemnets about 'superiority'.