HAL LCA Tejas: Updates, News & Discussions

Indian Air Chief chews out HAL over Tejas.

He doesn’t have confidence in HAL. He expected 11 Mk.1A to be ready (waiting for the engines (of which 2.5 engines are needed per airframe). NOT A SINGLE MK.1A is ready. “Maza neh ara heh”.

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Jammer said:
This is highly unusual and reckless I would say.
Two armed forces chiefs (each of their own element) flying in the same aircraft, piloted by the airforce chief himself. I'm 99% sure that the Indian military shares the same protocols on VIP logistics and safety compared to the rest of the armed forces in the world. As I have mentioned before fighter flying is extremely pleasurable but rife with unforeseen dangers, it just goes with the territory. To create the possibility of losing two chiefs in one fell swoop is mind-boggling. How desperate are they to sell this f$&king aircraft?! And no, before anybody goes down the chest-thumping path of bravado, bravery .etc. it's stupid, plain foolhardy, and points to great desperation.
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Your point is valid to an extent. But Our Air Chiefs do fly solo on many occasions. I clearly remember the then Air Chief flying solo on Mig 21 to calm down the critics dubbing it flying coffeen..
 
Jammer said:
This is highly unusual and reckless I would say.
Two armed forces chiefs (each of their own element) flying in the same aircraft, piloted by the airforce chief himself. I'm 99% sure that the Indian military shares the same protocols on VIP logistics and safety compared to the rest of the armed forces in the world. As I have mentioned before fighter flying is extremely pleasurable but rife with unforeseen dangers, it just goes with the territory. To create the possibility of losing two chiefs in one fell swoop is mind-boggling. How desperate are they to sell this f$&king aircraft?! And no, before anybody goes down the chest-thumping path of bravado, bravery .etc. it's stupid, plain foolhardy, and points to great desperation.
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Risk is surely there but this is not a helicopter which are very notorious to not leave many survivors. Additionally, Tejas has pretty good safety record. Even the one crash we saw, it was gliding like a feather, very safe for ejection, although their backs might hurt for lifetime.
 
The guy who was foaming at the mouth at the Air Chief Marshal and General flying together forgot that PM Modi flew in a Tejas trainer and he was 74 or so when he did so. An ejection would've been even more dangerous for him. But he was confident in the Tejas and so was the IAF's leadership.
I can understand if they don't want to attempt something like that in a JF-17B. It's fine by us.
 

Maiden flight approaching for India’s Tejas Mk2 light fighter​

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Maiden flight approaching for India’s Tejas Mk2 light fighter

India's Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) is targeting the end of 2025 or beginning of 2026 for the first flight of the new Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL) Tejas Mk2 Light Combat Aircraft (LCA).
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MirageBlue said:
The guy who was foaming at the mouth at the Air Chief Marshal and General flying together forgot that PM Modi flew in a Tejas trainer and he was 74 or so when he did so. An ejection would've been even more dangerous for him. But he was confident in the Tejas and so was the IAF's leadership.
I can understand if they don't want to attempt something like that in a JF-17B. It's fine by us.
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Frankly I don't give a s"%t or have any concern about the safety of Modi or either chief. I was just surprised at the lack of protocol and controls allowing a situation to develop where you can loose two cheifs in an instant, this does not happen anywhere in the world. Forty years of stagnant development with zero buyer will make you do crazy stunts.
Take it from somebody who did this for a living over multiple decades, listen carefully, shit happens in aviation and in fighters it happens faster, there is no fail safe aircraft.
 
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Cryptonian said:
Risk is surely there but this is not a helicopter which are very notorious to not leave many survivors. Additionally, Tejas has pretty good safety record. Even the one crash we saw, it was gliding like a feather, very safe for ejection, although their backs might hurt for lifetime.
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Son, use some sort of logic translator to figure out what you yourself are trying to say. May lord have mercy on your soul.
 
According to the Air Chief Marshal, the Tejas Mk1A is not fully ready yet. The initial batch of aircraft being delivered features improvements over the Tejas Mk1 but does not yet include all the enhancements initially planned for the Mk1A.
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Raj-Hindustani said:
That's the true issue faced by companies that are government-owned.

Private sectors generally perform better when it comes to adhering to timelines; they require periodic audits and inspections of their processes to ensure compliance. In contrast, government-owned companies often only address these matters on paper.

Hal has very poor records on commitments and timelines, they must be doing a lots better than today.
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The essential difference between state-owned and private companies is the driving force. State-owned enterprises are politically driven; private enterprises are economically driven. They have their own advantages and disadvantages.

The problem with the Indian military industry is not in this regard. Rather, it is the highest authority.

In China's conventional cognition, we usually think. For strategic projects that require long-term investment, state-owned enterprises must be in charge; while those that are already mature and require economies of scale are best left to the private sector.

For example: the fighter jet program.
For those technologies that are already mature internationally and can be easily accessed, they will develop better and faster when left to the private sector. For example, manufacturing fighter jet airframes, mechanism parts & skins, etc.
For projects that have a high level of secrecy or are technologically difficult, it is more appropriate for state-owned companies to do them. For example, avionics (including radar), engines, etc.
Of course, these programs are dynamically evolving. For example, if the state-owned enterprises already have very mature and perfect engine technology capabilities, can also be transferred to the private sector for large-scale production. This would make engine production more efficient. However, the R&D phase would still be better done by state-run enterprises.

China's drone sector is growing very rapidly. There are a very large number of state-owned and private companies involved in this field. However, the engine of large and medium-sized fixed-wing UAVs has always been the bottleneck for private enterprises.

A team under AECC's 624 Research Institute has developed a 600Kg-class turbofan engine. In order to help private enterprises develop, AECC has taken this engine technology separately and set up a new company together with a number of private enterprises, specializing in the production and subsequent development of this engine.
This is, in effect, translating the technology developed by the state-run enterprises to the private enterprises and helping them to accelerate the development of the relevant industries. If not, it will be very difficult for private enterprises to independently develop this turbofan engine.
 
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Migflug said:
According to the Air Chief Marshal, the Tejas Mk1A is not fully ready yet. The initial batch of aircraft being delivered features improvements over the Tejas Mk1 but does not yet include all the enhancements initially planned for the Mk1A.
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WOW!

Pretty damning

1) Unsure he was aware the conversation was being recorded?
2) It is clear he has no faith in HAL promises
3) He kept telling them he himself worked on Tejas and will be happy to be proven wrong
4) IAF CAS comes over as very impressive, the HAL people seemed to be making excuses
5) Think this confirms my point that this project will be terminated soon
 
Yasser76 said:
WOW!

Pretty damning

1) Unsure he was aware the conversation was being recorded?
2) It is clear he has no faith in HAL promises
3) He kept telling them he himself worked on Tejas and will be happy to be proven wrong
4) IAF CAS comes over as very impressive, the HAL people seemed to be making excuses
5) Think this confirms my point that this project will be terminated soon
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Which project will get terminated?

Let me clarify again here he doesn't have concern about capabilities but only commitments on timelines
 
Raj-Hindustani said:
Which project will get terminated?

Let me clarify again here he doesn't have concern about capabilities but only commitments on timelines
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As he said before, "Technology delayed is technology denied", if he has no confidence in timelines and need planes asap, do you know what the end result of that will be or is your head still firmly in the sand on this one?
 
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