Hangor Class Submarine | Updates & Discussion

[HRK]

It just went full stealth. No one is talking about it anymore. It was supposed to be released by end of 2024 per HIT interviews.

I believe @panzerkeil posted about it few months back

Project might not be successful as it was expected

 

[redgriffin]

Every day there are reports on both sides delivered to the desks of key personnel on either. These are much more comprehensive and generally more accurate than any speculation here.

That being said “loose lips sink ships” -
Knowledge is more commonplace but so is the urge to go online and talk at an extent.

Especially those with relatives in the military and the fault lies partly with then and partly with the military folk.

Since 2004 on Pakistani forums there is one thing Ive learned - if you know something - don’t say anything until you hear someone else say it.

And then, twist it and mix it up 60% so the actual facts and any potential opsec is so muddled no one can actually tell the truth even if it is plainly written on the page.

Faithfully doing this for 20 years

Issi liay bolna kam kiya almost band kerdiya hae.
I was a super moderator for one of the first Pakistani-owned & administered defence forum sites on the web. During my stint there (early 2000s or so), I realised that 1) many Pakistani posters have a mamay k chachay k taiay ka connection, which told them this & that. This made such a lot of noise that people who genuinely had connections & something valuable to add to the discussion got lost in the background noise.
2) Learned this from Western defence professionals that it is not just the equipment that matters, but how you employ it, the warfighting concepts, and campaign design, etcetera. This is with reference to the peepee measuring contests that are common on Pakistani & Indian, generally all military forums with fanboys galore & mature discussions few & far in between.
3) If you know something through someone, keep it to yourself. Talking about it will result in offending fanboys (fan boys/zealots can be of any age, we have a few in their 40s & 50s approaching the inevitable scythe here as well) of either side who will browbeat you with their intellectual ineptitude & inadequacy, insult you personally and take the joy out of the discourse.

In the end decided that staying quiet & just piping in once in a while on these forums was ok with the more serious discussions left for personal connections made here & elsewhere via other channels.

 

[Psyko70]

I believe @panzerkeil posted about it few months back

Project might not be successful as it was expected

It was cancelled. It was told in old pdf. Plus, alkhalid tank barrels indigenous progress also went under radar.

 

[the vicious kind]

Why do you ask such specification , you building a Submarine?

Just trying to learn, ISSB ki age nikal gaye hai bhai

 

[Watandar]

Will the three new Agosta 90b's still remain in service once all the Hangor's have been commissioned ?

 

[the vicious kind]

Is PNS hangor going to be inducted this year?

Sea trails take 8-12 months , probably they will be comissioned next year IA. We are probably looking at aleast 3 in service by 2027

 

[the vicious kind]

Will the three new Agosta 90b's still remain in service once all the Hangor's have been commissioned ?

The last one was commissioned in 2006, and they got a midlife upgrade by STM just a few years back.

 

[MastanKhan]

Will the three new Agosta 90b's still remain in service once all the Hangor's have been commissioned ?

Hi,

I believe for atleast about 10 years.

 

[Toxic]

Hi,

I believe for atleast about 10 years.

Probably much more than that, they have received a thorough modernization package they will serve well beyond 2040.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Probably much more than that, they have received a thorough modernization package they will serve well beyond 2040.

Exactly, Agosta 90Bs went through a massive upgrade just recently. Perhaps the last sub is still undergoing it. The MLU has costed hundreds of millions of dollars. You spend that much time, money & effort only if you are committing to use it for as much duration as they already have served atleast. So 20 more years, i.e 2045- 50

Mid Life Upgrade usually occurs roughly halfway through equipment's projected service life. So whatever the lifespan they have completed is roughly same what they will spend after MLU. Not in every case, but that's the usual approach.

 

[Watandar]

Once Pakistan gets its eight Hangors and keeps the 3 Agosta 90b, it will have a force of 11 submarines, with probably 7 or 8 you can put to sea at any time. That means Pakistan will have a potent submarine force for the first time that can be offensive and not just defensive.

 

[MastanKhan]

Probably much more than that, they have received a thorough modernization package they will serve well beyond 2040.

Hi,

Kept someone at bay during the crisis---.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

Probably much more than that, they have received a thorough modernization package they will serve well beyond 2040.

we have an agreement where other half will be built at Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works (KSEW) in Pakistan under a technology transfer agreement. then in 10 years if we needed more than why retaining Agosta 90b? we can produce more by ourself?

 

[MastanKhan]

we have an agreement where other half will be built at Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works (KSEW) in Pakistan under a technology transfer agreement. then in 10 years if we needed more than why retaining Agosta 90b? we can produce more by ourself?

Hi,

The agosta are in top form after the rebuild---technically extremely superior---.

We don't need to produce any ourselves because the chinese will take the technology to the next level u and we wil get those at that time---.

Building a submarine with the assistance of the chinese gives us exposure to the technology---.

Does not make any sens ein building ourselves---.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

Hi,

The agosta are in top form after the rebuild---technically extremely superior---.

We don't need to produce any ourselves because the chinese will take the technology to the next level u and we wil get those at that time---.

Building a submarine with the assistance of the chinese gives us exposure to the technology---.

Does not make any sens ein building ourselves---.

Assalam U Alaikum,

I have seen somewhere that Agosta 90B upgrade will contain AIP system too? is this correct?