India guns for 12 more 'eyes in sky'

[MirageBlue]

Again nonsense.

When Pakistan got the Erieye, it was the absolute best system in Sweden. Other variants arrived later, as a natural progression of any weapon system. So your claim that “Sweden is not supplying its state of the art to Pakistan” is absolutely preposterous.

Your comprehension claim is ironic…but not surprising as your claim has been exposed as a farce.

The state of the art as far as Sweden is concerned is the GlobalEye. Erieye is one generation behind the GlobalEye.

 

[Yasser76]

The state of the art as far as Sweden is concerned is the GlobalEye. Erieye is one generation behind the GlobalEye.

Not really, Globaleye is a system that integrates Erieye ER (Which PAF has) along with maritime capability. Read up more.

 

[Yasser76]

Upgraded does not means Pakistan has the latest and greatest

Erieye ER is the latest version of Erieye, Swedes are using it as is UAE in their Globaleye system

 

[Yasser76]

Doesn't mean it's the best or close tk best out there. We have had them for a long time now and I can't recall any upgrades to them since procurement

New systems came in as recently as last year, guess better not reply on your "recall" going forward

 

[vikNerv]

New systems came in as recently as last year, guess better not reply on your "recall" going forward

Comprehension problem? Go back and re read my post, read the post I am replying to and then put two and two together please. I am referring to phalcons in my post. Not your AWACS. And your post doesn't even make sense. Please refrain from replying to my posts going forward unless they deal with you or Pakistan.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Again nonsense.

When Pakistan got the Erieye, it was the absolute best system in Sweden. Other variants arrived later, as a natural progression of any weapon system. So your claim that “Sweden is not supplying its state of the art to Pakistan” is absolutely preposterous.

Your comprehension claim is ironic…but not surprising as your claim has been exposed as a farce.

Don't reply him bro, he is known fake indian

 

[MirageBlue]

Not really, Globaleye is a system that integrates Erieye ER (Which PAF has) along with maritime capability. Read up more.

The GlobalEye uses a new Erieye ER GaN AESA radar, that doubles the radar's power efficiency compared to earlier Erieye iterations like those in the PAF's Erieyes AEW&C which were built with GaAs TRMs.

Besides I have not seen any source (including on QUWA) stating that the PAF's Erieye uses the Erieye ER instead of the Erieye. Do you have any source for that?

And that is just the AESA radar. There's much more capability in terms of Leonardo's Seaspray 7500E AESA 360° maritime radar, as well as a Star SAFIRE 380-HD electro-optical/infrared sensor turret.

The GlobalEye is built around the Saab Erieye Extended Range (ER) radar that is housed in the same external dorsal ‘plank' as the company's original Erieye system. Equipped with gallium nitride and other technologies, the Erieye ER is an active electronically scanned array (AESA) system that doubles the radar's power efficiency compared with previous Erieye iterations. It has a range in excess of 650 km, which can be extended by focusing the radar's energy.

Saab has earlier said the Erieye ER is resistant to jamming, and features all-weather functionality in all domains (air, sea, and land surveillance) and an “extremely high” tracking update rate against targets of interest. Besides the radar, the aircraft is also equipped with the state-of-the-art Leonardo Seaspray 7500E AESA 360° multimode radar, as well as a Star SAFIRE 380-HD electro-optical/infrared sensor turret, an automatic identification system for shipping, an HES-21 electronic support measures suite, and countermeasures. Performance figures disclosed by Saab give the GlobalEye an endurance of more than 13 hours and a top speed of 450 kt.

 

[vkdindian]

Modi who promised to do away with red tape would have sorted this out by now, he has had ample time....

Systemic changes always take longer time. His efforts have been to make the organisations already in place to change their methods and procedures. Some of them have a lot of potential that needs right direction. And that takes time.

Due to that, all the organisations are singing the tune of “make in India” now. That was a remote dream a decade back. The military, developers and the babudom, were all entrenched deeply in import culture.

It is always a good idea to make institutions strong and capable, to prevent personalities from taking over the agenda.
The current state is still far from perfect, but it is work in progress.
In this regard I really envy Turks, who have displayed the grit and determination like no other and have rolled out Kaan in never imagined timelines.

 

[Yasser76]

The GlobalEye uses a new Erieye ER GaN AESA radar, that doubles the radar's power efficiency compared to earlier Erieye iterations like those in the PAF's Erieyes AEW&C which were built with GaAs TRMs.

Besides I have not seen any source (including on QUWA) stating that the PAF's Erieye uses the Erieye ER instead of the Erieye. Do you have any source for that?

And that is just the AESA radar. There's much more capability in terms of Leonardo's Seaspray 7500E AESA 360° maritime radar, as well as a Star SAFIRE 380-HD electro-optical/infrared sensor turret.

You literally just agreed with my post but used about 10 times as many words, and yes, if PAF got new systems just last year, in all likelyhood they will be the latest Erieye unless SAAB does what no other company in the world does and stoped making the new radars and manufactured older tech just to help your argument. In desperation to malign any equipment Pakistan may use you end up making yourself look ignorant and lose any remain credibility.

 

[MirageBlue]

You literally just agreed with my post but used about 10 times as many words, and yes, if PAF got new systems just last year, in all likelyhood they will be the latest Erieye unless SAAB does what no other company in the world does and stoped making the new radars and manufactured older tech just to help your argument. In desperation to malign any equipment Pakistan may use you end up making yourself look ignorant and lose any remain credibility.

So no source, just conjecture.

Almost all of the PAF's Erieyes are from many many years ago. They can't be Erieye ER.

For the 2 that were ordered by PAF in May 2020, it is just possible (but not confirmed and you have no source clearly) that the radar was Erieye ER and not the Erieye which was at that time in production.

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The delivery of the ‘Batch-II’ Erieye AEW&Cs were recorded in previously public export-import logs – the PAF took delivery of radar systems and aircraft from Saab in February 2017 as well as in April and May 2018. In its 2017-2018 yearbook, the MoDP recorded the purchase of a ‘sixth’ Erieye AEW&C for $94.95 million US. This ‘Batch-II’ order was likely completed in 2019.

In May 2020, Saab revealed it secured another AEW&C sale for $160.5 million US from an unnamed buyer, with deliveries taking place between 2020 and 2023. This customer was revealed to be the PAF as it inducted an Erieye with the serial numbers ’20-057’ and (in December 2023) ’23-058.’

Also, Saab still offers Gripen C/D with PS-05 MSA radars, even with Gripen E with ES-05A radars in production. So the logic that if Erieye ER is available then older Erieye with GaAs radars can't be offered (and back then they were in production) is pure bunkum.

But I fully expect you to skirt the topic, make snide remarks and avoid providing a single source that confirms that the last 2 Erieyes that PAF bought had GaN Erieye ER radars. Typical of you.

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[Guru Dutt]

You literally just agreed with my post but used about 10 times as many words, and yes, if PAF got new systems just last year, in all likelyhood they will be the latest Erieye unless SAAB does what no other company in the world does and stoped making the new radars and manufactured older tech just to help your argument. In desperation to malign any equipment Pakistan may use you end up making yourself look ignorant and lose any remain credibility.

Forget everything else fact is all the Erieye's you got are older gen or for that matter first tranche of GaA based systems sweden gave you even the two replacements you orderred in 2020 that were lost after your own startegick assets destroyed them in your own country parcked on your own air bases ... funny

anyway ... now as a matter of fact under current cicumstances your air force dose not have resorces to get more or the latest GaN verssion as even USA & NATO has put sanctions on such sensitive tech sale as they fear it could anytime be tranferred to china for reverse engineering

while Israel is already in talks with India for its latest gen AWACS but we have a new policy of make in India but you never know there just might be a window openning some day if there is a need

but as of now they have already bought 6 ex AIR INDIA A320s and upgraded them with new features from france for NETRA MK2 AWACS use and fleet tankers in secondarry role while they have bought 6 second hand ex correcial plaftorms and send them to brazil for refitt and upgrade for AWACS use

 

[Yasser76]

So no source, just conjecture.

Almost all of the PAF's Erieyes are from many many years ago. They can't be Erieye ER.

For the 2 that were ordered by PAF in May 2020, it is just possible (but not confirmed and you have no source clearly) that the radar was Erieye ER and not the Erieye which was at that time in production.

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Also, Saab still offers Gripen C/D with PS-05 MSA radars, even with Gripen E with ES-05A radars in production. So the logic that if Erieye ER is available then older Erieye with GaAs radars can't be offered (and back then they were in production) is pure bunkum.

But I fully expect you to skirt the topic, make snide remarks and avoid providing a single source that confirms that the last 2 Erieyes that PAF bought had GaN Erieye ER radars. Typical of you.

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So your logic is PAF decided to purchase new Erieyes and insisted in having the older radar installed on them?

So guess IAF purchased Rafales with old radars too?

This thread gets more and more strange

 

[Yasser76]

Forget everything else fact is all the Erieye's you got are older gen or for that matter first tranche of GaA based systems sweden gave you even the two replacements you orderred in 2020 that were lost after your own startegick assets destroyed them in your own country parcked on your own air bases ... funny

anyway ... now as a matter of fact under current cicumstances your air force dose not have resorces to get more or the latest GaN verssion as even USA & NATO has put sanctions on such sensitive tech sale as they fear it could anytime be tranferred to china for reverse engineering

while Israel is already in talks with India for its latest gen AWACS but we have a new policy of make in India but you never know there just might be a window openning some day if there is a need

but as of now they have already bought 6 ex AIR INDIA A320s and upgraded them with new features from france for NETRA MK2 AWACS use and fleet tankers in secondarry role while they have bought 6 second hand ex correcial plaftorms and send them to brazil for refitt and upgrade for AWACS use

Not reading all of that with little or no point, thanks

 

[MirageBlue]

So your logic is PAF decided to purchase new Erieyes and insisted in having the older radar installed on them?

So guess IAF purchased Rafales with old radars too?

This thread gets more and more strange

No but you have NO SOURCE to indicate that the PAF negotiated with Saab for Erieye ER or that it was even available to the PAF or any other customer at that point in time.

It is always more expedient to go with tried and tested equipment than to wait it out till a newer variant is available, at a much higher cost.

There is no indication that the PAF did that and all you have is conjecture and ZERO EVIDENCE.

And you think you can somehow hoodwink others into thinking that your gut feeling is as good as evidence.

BTW, IAF has in the past gone for older variants of equipment to maintain commonality and keep costs lower- case in point is the 10 attrition replacement Mirage-2000H/TH that were bought by the IAF from Dassault in 1999. Dassault at that point of time was producing Mirage-2000-5s but to allow for commonality with the existing Mirage-2000H/TH in the IAF fleet, the IAF decided to go with the earlier variant instead of ordering 10 Mirage-2000-5s at a much higher cost.

 

[Yasser76]

No but you have NO SOURCE to indicate that the PAF negotiated with Saab for Erieye ER or that it was even available to the PAF or any other customer at that point in time.

It is always more expedient to go with tried and tested equipment than to wait it out till a newer variant is available, at a much higher cost.

There is no indication that the PAF did that and all you have is conjecture and ZERO EVIDENCE.

And you think you can somehow hoodwink others into thinking that your gut feeling is as good as evidence.

BTW, IAF has in the past gone for older variants of equipment to maintain commonality and keep costs lower- case in point is the 10 attrition replacement Mirage-2000H/TH that were bought by the IAF from Dassault in 1999. Dassault at that point of time was producing Mirage-2000-5s but to allow for commonality with the existing Mirage-2000H/TH in the IAF fleet, the IAF decided to go with the earlier variant instead of ordering 10 Mirage-2000-5s at a much higher cost.

Has IAF ordered Rafales with latest radar? How do you know it is not an old version? Do you know just how stupid you are sounding in a desperate attempt to try an malign anything Pakistani? Making up BS on here may make you feel better, does not reflect reality.

The Erieye systems ordered were brand new, even the planes themselves have small differences to the older systems.

It is really telling how much PAF and it's abilities effect the Indian psyche, to the point you have to do written gymanastics like this.