India Lucky Not To Lose More Than Four Rafales

[Yasser76]

Right and for me PAF offering count is indicative of the slave mentality many have in sub-continent. But maybe that is what going to world bank to keep your country running does... jury is out

Btw while at it, can you post the press release from PAF where the PAF chief/DG air operations/ DG ISPR (some authority) has mentioned the counting of air assets from independent observers?

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[Yasser76]

Sharing the tweet verbatim - pray tell where has Asif mentioned counting of jets from PAF and IAF (which you mentioned in your post).

“The belated assertions made by the Indian Air Force Chief regarding alleged destruction of Pakistani aircraft during Operation Sindoor are as implausible as they are ill-timed. It is also ironic how senior Indian military officers are being used as the faces of monumental failure caused by strategic shortsightedness of Indian politicians. For three months, no such claims were voiced—while Pakistan, in the immediate aftermath, presented detailed technical briefings to the international media, and independent observers recorded widespread acknowledgment of the loss of multiple Indian aircraft, including Rafales, by sources ranging from world leaders, senior Indian politicians to foreign intelligence assessments. Not a single Pakistani aircraft was hit or destroyed by Indian. Pakistan destroyed 6 Indian jets, S400 air defence batteries and unmanned aircraft of India while swiftly putting several Indian airbases out of action. The losses on the Line of control for Indian armed forces were disproportionately heavier as well. If the truth is in question, let both sides open their aircraft inventories to independent verification—though we suspect this would lay bare the reality India seeks to obscure. Wars are not won by falsehoods but by moral authority, national resolve and professional competence. Such comical narratives, crafted for domestic political expediency, increase the grave risks of strategic miscalculation in a nuclearised environment. As demonstrated during Operation Bunyanum Marsoos, every violation of Pakistan’s sovereignty and territorial integrity will invite swift, surefire and proportionate response, and responsibility for any ensuing escalation will rest entirely with strategically blind leaders who gamble with South Asia’s peace for fleeting political gains.”

Serious question.

Can you read properly?

"If the truth is in question, let both sides open their aircraft inventories to independent verification"

 

[Yasser76]

The rest of your point, let's assume based on public evidence it's correct, there’s no evidence for three additional aircraft or the UAV, but we have videos only for four aircraft: Pampore, Akhnoor, Bathinda, and Wuyan village, Pulwama. So, that confirms debris at four locations. Now, let’s leave out the other four locations, including the UAV. We have confirmation of Nur Khan Base and Bholari, with one AWACS admitted immediately. These are confirmed by both sides with video evidence.

Now, the reason I’m responding to your this post is to clarify one thing: I don’t know why Indian media and the BJP have completely messed up everyone’s thinking in india overall. You claim that many terrorist strongholds were taken out, but I strongly disagree with all Indians on this point. I don’t know why your logic always falls apart. For the past 15-16 days, since the Pahalgam attack, your Indian media and everyone have been shouting that this is happening from Bahawalpur and Muridke, and that you need to attack those places. Would the Pakistani government, or even an ordinary fool (terrorist as per your assumption), will stay there if they thought India could launch an aerial attack?

First, the Pahalgam attack wasn’t orchestrated by the establishment or this side’s Hafiz Saeed or Masood Azhar groups (both of them are house arrest especially after FATF saga), as Pakistan itself doesn’t want this mess spreading into Indian Kashmir( the policy has been changed especially after FATF). Second, even if we go by your claim that the Muridke and Bahawalpur groups were behind it and you needed to target these high-value terrorist (HVT) targets, why have you been shouting for 15-16 days that you’re going to destroy these places? Would any fool stay there? You conducted a so-called aerial attack and ended up killing innocent people, something the Indian public and government should be ashamed of.

Right after the Pahalgam attack, our government offered an investigation through neutral sources, so why didn’t you accept it? If you didn’t want to, fine, but at least provide some evidence—something to show that these four individuals came from Pakistan, brought this or that, etc. You still haven’t found those four individuals, and no Indian has ever asked the Modi government what happened with the investigation into the Pahalgam attack or those four people and the pakistan hand in it?.

You’ve acted like Israel, killing innocent Pakistanis without reason, and if it were up to me instead of Asim Munir, I wouldn’t have just taken out seven of your jets—I would have also wiped out your Doval, Modi, Rajnath, and Amit Shah gang. And stop this nonsense about Pakistan causing trouble. Let’s do the math: how many attacks have happened in India and Indian Kashmir, and how many people have died? Compare that to how many have died in Pakistan’s Balochistan and KPK due to terrorism sponsored by your Indian terrorists. By that logic, shouldn’t Pakistan destroy every RAW headquarters and safe house in India? Lets go by your modi logic and do the aerial attack on every RAW agent there in india?

Really off topic now..

 

[Yasser76]

No yaar meri dimaagh ki batti jal gayi hai ye indians kahtay hum india main dehshatgardi karwatay tau ye uth kay attack krengay aur humaray begunnah civilians ko maar deingay magar khud ye terrorist nay tabaahi machaayi huwi hai.. iss hisab say tau humain aik b RAW ka bandha nahi charhna chahiye pooray india main.. I cannot accept logic behind operation sindoor may 6-7? this is bulshit

English please, respect forum rules,

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

English please, respect forum rules,

translated into english. Thanks

 

[Yasser76]

No, man, my mind is blown. These Indians say that we are sponsoring terrorism in India, and for they’ll get up and attack, and will kill our innocent civilians(children and women included). But they themselves have caused destruction in whole balochistan and KP through their terrorists RAW backed BLA/TLP etc. By this logic, we shouldn’t spare a single RAW operative in all of India and for that we attack india?. I cannot accept the logic behind Operation Sindoor on May 6-7. This is nonsense, bulshit.

Yes, other threads for this, lets stick to subject. Hopefully by this point @samsite84 will have learned how to read a X post properly.

 

[Yasser76]

@mods Can we remove last 8 posts please. All off topic, deliberately so it seems.

@Fatman17 @RescueRanger @Musings

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

Thank you for pointing the exact text. My bad. If that is the official statement, India does owe a response. Although I think it will be - no bueno



There are many questions you have raised. Some with merit, some without. I will try to answer (per my ability):

1. On 15-16 days, attacking Bhawalpur - I can't attest to state of mind/actions of terrorists/people on the places that were attacked. Maybe they under-estimated, they didn't think India will cross the "red-lines". We don't know definitively which HVTs were taken out vs. not. I will also say, India has better options of taking out HVTs vs bombing - that was done more for the world to see vs. effect alone

2. On investigation - Indian people are tired, frustrated and frankly disillusioned about these so called joint investigation. Dossiers from 26/11, Pathankot etc etc - nothing worked. Lets also be street-wise and understand that any evidence which points to orgs in Pakistan's hinterland will be cause of a major shame hence every attempt will be made to avoid the blame.

3. On terrorism fires being fueled by India - very different situation as Pakistan houses a number of UN designated terrorists (might be under house arrest). Meanwhile, you can't find an RSS member on a UN designated list

4. On number of losses for India vs Pakistan - I wish many Pakistanis thought like you and work towards a better solution. India suffered in 90s and early 00s more than Pakistan. Attempts were made for resolving the issue but Pakistan didn't take the opportunity. Now the shoe is on the other foot (so to speak)

5. Stronger response from Pakistan - sure, tons of Indians want that too. Sentiments are shared across the borders...

My dear brother, on your point 3 "Meanwhile, you can't find an RSS member on a UN designated list" By this logic you are not serious in resolving the issue. Doval and your rajnaty and amit shah on open media accepted they want pakistan side of kashmir and your people are openly saying to instigate BLA/TLP etc. I will again simply say to you that if your really want to end all of this instablility not just in india but in whold of these south asia we need to stop sponsoring militias for other countries destabalizition and why cannot we leave like european nations leave? they have killed far more of one another than we have? Any sane person knows that until we both have nukes and these modern weapons no country pak or india can get the other side of kashmir so lets stop these terrorist fundings and cold war mentality and come to table accept the borders as we have for now and live in peace and start improving the lives of people within both countries

 

[Fatman17]

My dear brother, on your point 3 "Meanwhile, you can't find an RSS member on a UN designated list" By this logic you are not serious in resolving the issue. Doval and your rajnaty and amit shah on open media accepted they want pakistan side of kashmir and your people are openly saying to instigate BLA/TLP etc. I will again simply say to you that if your really want to end all of this instablility not just in india but in whold of these south asia we need to stop sponsoring militias for other countries destabalizition and why cannot we leave like european nations leave? they have killed far more of one another than we have? Any sane person knows that until we both have nukes and these modern weapons no country pak or india can get the other side of kashmir so lets stop these terrorist fundings and cold war mentality and come to table accept the borders as we have for now and live in peace and start improving the lives of people within both countries

Bro you are making offtopic remarks

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

Bro you are making offtopic remarks

Sorry brother.. please delete it but my blood really gets boiled when indians despite wracking havoc across pakistan by proxy are lecturing us on we are sponsoring instability in kashmir? and on that they further start attacking us, killing civilians innocent people. but okay i am going off now.. i need to relax a bit

 

[Yasser76]

Serious question.

Can you read properly?

"If the truth is in question, let both sides open their aircraft inventories to independent verification"

@samsite84 Gone quiet?

 

[samsite84]

My dear brother, on your point 3 "Meanwhile, you can't find an RSS member on a UN designated list" By this logic you are not serious in resolving the issue. Doval and your rajnaty and amit shah on open media accepted they want pakistan side of kashmir and your people are openly saying to instigate BLA/TLP etc. I will again simply say to you that if your really want to end all of this instablility not just in india but in whold of these south asia we need to stop sponsoring militias for other countries destabalizition and why cannot we leave like european nations leave? they have killed far more of one another than we have? Any sane person knows that until we both have nukes and these modern weapons no country pak or india can get the other side of kashmir so lets stop these terrorist fundings and cold war mentality and come to table accept the borders as we have for now and live in peace and start improving the lives of people within both countries

100% agree. Both sides need to stop. How that will happen is beyond me. I shared more details on the Indians and Pakistanis thread in members section.

Btw similar to Indians openly instigating BLA/TTP when Asim Munir talks about Hindus as the "other", the two nation theory, the cutting through thousand cuts, its send a message to Indians that Pakistan is not interested in peace.

Basically, no body is doodh ka dhoola and no one is a bacha. Everyone know how the game is played/can be played.

I would say this - if Pakistan improves its economy, becomes a stronger power, catches up on more civilian/democratic say in geopolitical matters (although this is not as necessary as we saw progress with Mushy on top), things can start getting better.

If the power gap will increase, India will be disinterested to engage

 

[Yasser76]

@mods Indians now deliberately taking this thread off topic and shit talking, despite warnings, it is ruining an otherwise good thread.

@Fatman17

 

[Fatman17]

Sorry brother.. please delete it but my blood really gets boiled when indians despite wracking havor across pakistan by proxy are lecturing us on we are sponsoring instability in kashmir? and on that they further start attacking us killing civilians innocent people. but okay i am going off now.. i need to relax a bit

I understand your frustration.

 

[Musings]

@mods Indians now deliberately taking this thread off topic and shit talking, despite warnings, it is ruining an otherwise good thread.

@Fatman17

Start reporting the posts that are creating this scenario.
Notice to ALL members - save yourself the time and trouble and avoid posting crap and earning infractions. Is it really worth it? Just stick to the topic and report posts you find offensive............