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@Pingle @indushek @CallSignMaverick
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If this is G to G basis off the shelf offer then we should reject and simply go for another 6 scorpeans..... Germany I anyways don't trust on such big ticket items like submarines....
 
Pingle said:
If this is G to G basis off the shelf offer then we should reject and simply go for another 6 scorpeans..... Germany I anyways don't trust on such big ticket items like submarines....
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U216 is an evolved design and afaik was offered to us long time back.
 
DDG-80 said:
U216 is an evolved design and afaik was offered to us long time back.
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I don't doubt German technology only I'm worried about is their strange and wired policies to backstabbing customers.... if G2G is the solution then why not do it with French for their shorfin barracuda class......
 
Pingle said:
I don't doubt German technology only I'm worried about is their strange and wired policies to backstabbing customers.... if G2G is the solution then why not do it with French for their shorfin barracuda class......
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Should not be a concern here - you have Israeli support on this deal.
 
Pingle said:
I don't doubt German technology only I'm worried about is their strange and wired policies to backstabbing customers.... if G2G is the solution then why not do it with French for their shorfin barracuda class......
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Well they aren't the only on in race, Navantia group has presented their S80 class sub. Hope the decision is taken quickly, and this time a straight up order of 9 to 12 is given instead of just 6 like Scorpene.

But our idiots know how to bungle up things well.
 
indushek said:
Well they aren't the only on in race, Navantia group has presented their S80 class sub. Hope the decision is taken quickly, and this time a straight up order of 9 to 12 is given instead of just 6 like Scorpene.

But our idiots know how to bungle up things well.
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I think Spain will never be able to bag something like submarine contract from India as even S80 is a great submarine Spanish clout on world stage comes no where close to Germany..... they may win smaller contracts like artillery or such types but big ticket items like submarine India will definitely want to be in German good books than Spain
 
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U214 is a great sub with long endurance, and a large enough size to accommodate sub launched Brahmos , the only problem is German tendency to hold the agreements to ransom at the whims of the government in power.
Saudi's have seen this in case of their follow on Eurofighter Typhoon purchase , where Germans Vetoed a 54 jet order so as to keep the Jewish lobby happy
This order was critical to ensure Typhoon production continues beyond 2030 and the Germans handed over the deal to french Rafale
 
indushek said:
Well they aren't the only on in race, Navantia group has presented their S80 class sub. Hope the decision is taken quickly, and this time a straight up order of 9 to 12 is given instead of just 6 like Scorpene.

But our idiots know how to bungle up things well.
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Navantia has only ever Delivered 1 S80 class sub and that to its Home Country Spain and they had to take the help of General Dynamics to fix all the design flaws discovered mid construction.

HDW has delivered 15 U214 over last 17 years and has 6 under production for Turkey.
These subs will provide an easier learning curve in transitioning the crews from U209 which we currently operate to the U214.

The only problem is that the German's will resist adding VLS Brahmos and we will be stuck with Block III Harpoons .
Our present U209 subs are scheduled to get these missiles during their on going MLU and life extension refit by ThiesenKrupp Marine and Mazagaon Docks
 
Pingle said:
I don't doubt German technology only I'm worried about is their strange and wired policies to backstabbing customers.... if G2G is the solution then why not do it with French for their shorfin barracuda class......
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We're not completely delinked from German technology bro...Our kalvari class submarines and upcoming P17A frigates are using MTU supplied diesel engines...
MAN Diesel Engine for Project 17A FFG (1).jpg
 
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