Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

last time, war started when IR declared, a large country level exercise!

keep an eye on that announcement, on both sides, that would result in a declaration of war!

 

[tsunset]

 

[Watandar]

Trump and his cabinet pride themselves on being unpredictable and keeping the other side guessing and confused. At this point we know a US attack is coming and the "talks" are about an Iranian surrender, which the Iranians have rightfully refused.

The "deal" Trump is still talking about is probably a theatrical tit for tat that so far I think Iran is refusing to engage in.

 

[kastor ville]

They can but at the end of the day, it is the US that decides what to do and we have most recently seen this very clearly in the US tariffs against its allies.
The US is currently the only super power in the world, followed by China with a huge margin. The US cannot be pressured into changing its plan after they have been finalized. And it seems that the US administration has made up its mind about the war with Iran. So, in short, nobody can pressure the US into anything.


The Chinese may opt for the easiest option: Be patient, reach an agreement with the US not to intervene and receive oil contracts in the future. I cannot for the life of me imagine China willing to interfere in any positive way for Iran. Also, China has already filled their strategic oil reserves with cheap oil from Russia and Iran for years. They don't need to make an irrational move.

You have the tendency to see things in the worst possible scenarios....you need to give some credence to iran's abilities also.... Remember during the 12 day war? Some were overly harsh when criticizing Iran's for not being able to hit israel.... I hope you saw those satellite pictures of that air base were unit 8200 was based. Leave some room for other plausible situations.

 

[kastor ville]

Even complete U.S. air dominance is not sufficient to destroy Iran's ability to block oil & gas transport in the Persian Gulf. It really doesn't take much to block ships from transitting. I actually predict that Iran's oil & gas facilities won't be hit in the first days of the conflict. The U.S. knows that will trigger Iranian action against the rest of the of oil & gas infrastructure in the region. I suppose that is Iran's "nuclear" option, if they are willing to use it.

And no, the U.S. does not have enough interceptors to prevent that from happening. Absolutely not. Too many defensive points across a vast area. They need to cover the entire Persian Gulf + sea-adjacent land in the Persian Gulf monarchies, northern Iraq, Israel, Jordan. They need to cover some areas in Yemen / Red Sea.

They also need to fly sorties over a mountainous country the size of western europe (3 times the size of Ukraine).

They need to take out MRBMs, SRBMs and their smaller launchers, take out the cruise missiles, take out the drones and other type of loitering munitions. This is in addition to destroying Iranian security / military C2, ballistic missile manufacturing & assembly facilities. They need to destroy nuclear facilities & targets associated with them.

Remember when Trump fired 80 tomahawk-cruise missiles on Syria in his first term? They struck that airport. Within a week, they had repaired the damage and it was up and running. Think of all of the munitions that Russia has fired on Ukraine, a country 1/3 the size of Iran. Yet most of Ukraine actually looks completely untouched by the war.

Let's not underestimate the amount of munitions that is needed to destroy large countries.

Good analysis...you're correct

 

[ToqeLowkey]

Well I downloaded twitter again after 1 year and worst mistake ever soo many lies and propaganda againist iran/islam and soo much Islamophobia type material and now my conclusion is we are dealing with the bottom of society the worst of the worst thats why I am now deleting the Twitter and getting all my news from here.

 

[ShapurII]

You have the tendency to see things in the worst possible scenarios....you need to give some credence to iran's abilities also.... Remember during the 12 day war? Some were overly harsh when criticizing Iran's for not being able to hit israel.... I hope you saw those satellite pictures of that air base were unit 8200 was based. Leave some room for other plausible situations.

The worst possible scenario in my opinion is to get Tehran nuked by the US. Of course, it's a remote possibility that is highly unlikely, but not entirely impossible. Again, highly unlikely.

We were criticizing Iran for not establishing deterrence against future attacks, while losing our nuclear infrastructure with zero US casualties. If we were wrong in being critical of our own abilities at the time, we wouldn't have been having this conversation about the upcoming US war with Iran barely 9 months after that.

 

[Meengla]

Trump and his cabinet pride themselves on being unpredictable and keeping the other side guessing and confused. At this point we know a US attack is coming and the "talks" are about an Iranian surrender, which the Iranians have rightfully refused.
The "deal" Trump is still talking about is probably a theatrical tit for tat that so far I think Iran is refusing to engage in.

As I had said multiple times in this thread: As long as Netanyahu is the PM of Israel and as long as he has Trump as the POTUS, the threat of a major war against Iran is not going away. Even if this latest escalation defuses, there will be another attempt unless--and that's unlikely--Iran agrees to capitulates on the key Israeli demand of greatly scaling back the Iranian missile system.
And we have almost three more years of this threat. But if tonight Trump has a heart attack or even Netanyahu is deposed/dead, then the threat of a major war against Iran will likely recede. In essense, the personalities of Trump and Netanyahu are behind the idea of a regionally destructive war against Iran. We give too much credit to the 'democracy' blah blah blah: Hitler too was fairly 'democratically' elected.

 

[Watandar]

Well I downloaded twitter again after 1 year and worst mistake ever soo many lies and propaganda againist iran/islam and soo much Islamophobia type material and now my conclusion is we are dealing with the bottom of society the worst of the worst thats why I am now deleting the Twitter and getting all my news from here.

All the big social media platforms are astroturfed and bot'd to the moon. Twitter is the worst of all because Musk removed any security or moderation from the platform and just let people loose, except criticism of him and his busineses. Social media has actually replaced the TV channel as the main propaganda arm.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

Netty boy knows those Iranian missiles are heading his way the moment his puppet in the US starts the war and is having a meltdown even though this is the war that he wanted.

 

[mangekyo]

They all came out of eggs laid by Khamenei led IRI. Khomeini while being another Islamic zealot atleast had a nationalistic mind as he dealt with Israel and US. Khamenei sacrificed Iran in name of ideology of fighting Israel-US for Palestine.

Khomeini said nationalism is worthless. One thing that is very strange is that Khomeini didn’t want to make enemies of the Americans. He was against the embassy takeover, worrying it will hurt US-Iranian relations. He wanted the hostages released, but changed his mind for some reason. That reason might be the million dollar question. Khamenei has been anti-US/Israel since day one.

 

[kastor ville]

The worst possible scenario in my opinion is to get Tehran nuked by the US. Of course, it's a remote possibility that is highly unlikely, but not entirely impossible. Again, highly unlikely.

We were criticizing Iran for not establishing deterrence against future attacks, while losing our nuclear infrastructure with zero US casualties. If we were wrong in being critical of our own abilities at the time, we wouldn't have been having this conversation about the upcoming US war with Iran barely 9 months after that.

Iran won't get nuked...because they're not a threat to US mainland...and Iran is not in an all out war with the US. You shouldn't even say such things... Because it's far fetched. The American public would get outraged... The administration will fall.. Trump will get impeached and the world economy would crash. So stick to realistic scenarios.
We already know what Trump is... he wants a quick and easy action. We should never forget that... A bird doesn't change its feathers. He doesn't have any desire for a prolonged war.

 

[mulj]

This is just food for public hunger, Iran assumed it will be attacked and that is all what matters.

 

[ShapurII]

Iran won't get nuked...because they're not a threat to US mainland...and Iran is not in an all out war with the US. You you shouldn't even say such things... Because it's far fetched. The American public would get outraged... The administration will fall.. Trump will get impeached and the world economy would crash. So stick to realistic scenarios.
We already know what trump is... You wanna quick and easy actions. We should never forget that... A bird doesn't change its feathers. He doesn't have any desire for a prolonged war.

I highly doubt that an average American cares about some Middle Eastern Muslim country at the opposite end of the world. Iran is an existential threat to Israel and arguably, one may hypothesize that that isn't very different from being a threat to the US mainland. Again, it's a remote possibility. Highly unlikely, but not impossible.

We need major reforms. Trump is banking on our own strategic mistakes since 2013, and we are still making the same mistakes and nothing is going to change soon until it's over.

 

[Kyussis]

Yeah and dozens of Cubans but American people dont care about it.

I mean, the political cost for USA is when dead and injured people is in the USA side. And in a Iran war with regime change, it will be likely. And the humiliation of American warships sunk it would be huge.

Well real USA power is not in politicians, they just take orders from financial elite who dont really care about this, but they must think in these variables and those reactions to create their narrative.

So the scapegoat to blame it will be Israel.

And of course, real targets are economics, people who take decisions in USA they care about world economy to protect their own interests, they dont care about Israel or USA military men, they just use them as chess pieces to achieve their economic targets.

And here the economic target is a declining USA empire, craving for destroy Eurasia economy. Dont forget the big picture, Israel and USA military are just tools who dont matter to people who take decisions in USA power, even if they are Jews, they dont live in Israel, they never will live in Israel, and they dont give a Fck about Israel.

Epstein files have proven that the American people are not even bothered to rise up when American Children are Trafficked, Raped and ritualistically murdered by their Baal worshipping Zionist "elites".