Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Immortals]

I still think it has a very low chance of success, and war is inevitable.

Even if war is inevitable, my point holds true. iran needs western liquidity and investment flows to reach greatness. I told you guys this for years.

China realized this, after Mao died they did a complete 180 and embraced western capitalism and open their economy and did substantial economic reforms.

Soviet Union did not do this and maintained complete communist control over the government and by the time it realized communism doesn’t work at scale, it was too late and it imploded.

Iran’s no US/no Europe/no China dependency has been the dumbest economic policy since the Soviets.

To paint a picture Google, MSFT, Amazon, Meta, OpenAI are spending over 600B dollars THIS YEAR ALONE on building AI infrastructure. One of those massive AI data centers (stargate) is being built in UAE.

No one can match western capital investment right now, not even China. This is what even the Arabs have realized.

So if Iran wants to be rebuilt, it needs Western capital to do it. Iran simply doesn’t have the capital or technological expertise to do it on its own. Thus Iran needs to adapt China’s mindset post Mao and openly reintegrate with the West and stop its Middle East aspirations for at least a couple of decades until it regains its strength and/or the world enters a new paradigm that is conducive for it to go after an expansionist policy again.

Who knows what the world will look like in 10 years once Superinelligent AI (ASI) comes online. It may even work in Iran/China/Russia’s favor at weakening the American empire.

 

[Immortals]

Isn't that what the original photo says anyway? SA-5 Gammon is the NATO code for S-200.

Isfahan used to have S-300, which is what Israel had hit during the shadow war and likely again during the 12 day war. It is now been replaced with S-200 without being connected to a radar. Unless the radar is not even at the airbase.

It appears Iran has moved S-300 around and is prioritizing defense of Tehran over its airbases.

It is still possible that S-300 exists in Isfahan but have been reduced.

Instead of buying helicopters and Yak-130s, Iran should have been buying S-400 and reinforcing its weak points.

 

[Cash gk]

The day they hand over the uranium, they will be attacked immediately. Americans and Israelis are in doubt that might Iran have nuclear weapons. Iran's only security guarantee is if they have nuclear weapons, otherwise they will be done not today, but in the next 5 years... They must hold Americans deployment one more month deployment is very expensive. It Will cost American hell of money

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

I mean Iran don't have any choice at this point, the economy is getting worse and worse. Both a deal and war is for the nations survival.

yes, but IR needs to know the identity of all dissidents who are also agents/moles. Thats the only way (in other words, IR would avoid an implosion)

 

[kastor ville]

The June 2025 attack first wiped out Iran's military leadership, then mercilessly targeted broadcast stations, homes, and hospitals.
Yet some foolishly claim the U.S. would only strike missile bases.
Trump will carry out brutal attacks to shock the Iranian people and break their spirit.
It's clear the reformist government, which had foolishly deified the US, will tremble in fear and become paralyzed in decision-making.
The IRGC should completely ignore the government in this war and act on its own judgment.

Let me remind you....you're flying the Chinese flag.....don't sow division.

 

[Tehrani021]

How do you know china has given you anything ? If she has , bring the proof

I didn't make any claim, because I have no evidence. I suggest you do the same.

 

[kastor ville]

Pixel? He's a fking idiot.
No doubt a zio cutout.....one of the bigger ones on the net.
If they did put launchers without radars...did you ever think they might be decoys?

 

[kastor ville]

Even if war is inevitable, my point holds true. iran needs western liquidity and investment flows to reach greatness. I told you guys this for years.

China realized this, after Mao died they did a complete 180 and embraced western capitalism and open their economy and did substantial economic reforms.

Soviet Union did not do this and maintained complete communist control over the government and by the time it realized communism doesn’t work at scale, it was too late and it imploded.

Iran’s no US/no Europe/no China dependency has been the dumbest economic policy since the Soviets.

To paint a picture Google, MSFT, Amazon, Meta, OpenAI are spending over 600B dollars THIS YEAR ALONE on building AI infrastructure. One of those massive AI data centers (stargate) is being built in UAE.

No one can match western capital investment right now, not even China. This is what even the Arabs have realized.

So if Iran wants to be rebuilt, it needs Western capital to do it. Iran simply doesn’t have the capital or technological expertise to do it on its own. Thus Iran needs to adapt China’s mindset post Mao and openly reintegrate with the West and stop its Middle East aspirations for at least a couple of decades until it regains its strength and/or the world enters a new paradigm that is conducive for it to go after an expansionist policy again.

Who knows what the world will look like in 10 years once Superinelligent AI (ASI) comes online. It may even work in Iran/China/Russia’s favor at weakening the American empire.

I don't have the energy to debate this. But, here's a big one.......China didn't go full capitalistic, China did not open its economy......to this day, you can only have a minority stake in a Chinese co. It's still a very much a centrally controlled economy. Read up about Jack Ma and Ant IPO..for a good example.

 

[kastor ville]

We need foreign investments and removal of sanctions. Win-win agreement is not a problem. Meanwhile develop industry and defense to pass this sensitive and dangerous time in our history and become stronger.
However the zionists and many others are interested to prevent this outcome.

We're not going to get sanctions removed during this administration...... At this point they should be concentrating on survival.
We are sometimes Our Own Worst Enemy..... If they were smart, they would sit down face to face with Trump.. .That way you can cut out the zionists, giving him false information.
If they would have offered Trump a trillion dollar oil and gas energy partnership.... and a beautiful Trump resort at Kish Island, we wouldn't be in a conflict right now.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I don't know what you think, but Iran will not back down even one step from its rights.

If they don't accept it, we will fight, and it will be a bloody war.

if we can make a deal to avert war and maintain MRBMs, we should do it

even better if we can maintain some form of enrichment and get sanctions relief

war with the USA is a death sentence

 

[ShapurII]

if we can make a deal to avert war and maintain MRBMs, we should do it

even better if we can maintain some form of enrichment and get sanctions relief

war with the USA is a death sentence

You need to give something to get something. What is Iran going to offer the United States in return for a relief from sanctions? And once we give it up, what guarantee is there that the US won't reimpose those sanctions later?

Iran's nuclear program is no longer a threat to the US interests or Israel. Iran's proxies have been weakened and have shown zero interest in joining Iran's so-called resistance against the US.

The only thing that the US is interested in is our ballistic missiles. And they are sure that they will be able to get that one way or another. And we both know the dilemma:

1. If we give up our ballistic missiles, we will be defenseless against them. So, it is full capitulation in a sense. If we give up our ballistic missiles, we should also join Abraham Accords and normalize our relations with Israel and accept to play a predictable, dictated role in the region.

2. If we do not give up our ballistic missiles, they will defang us step by step through cycles of war and economic pressure until Iran either surrenders unconditionally (as Trump tweeted in June), or the regime falls.

Anybody who thinks we can reach a balanced, non-maximalist deal with the US at this stage is fooling himself to believe Trump's fake negotiations are real. There is no negotiation. Trump has certain demands that either will be met fully or we will have a new round of war.

 

[kastor ville]

I'm genuinely surprised..... I suspected we did a lot. But this is shocking.
On the other hand...I wished they'd shut the fk up about our capabilities.

 

[Immortals]

Iran is waiting for Khamenai to pass away to reinvent itself. I don’t expect a breakthru in Iran’s foreign policy and trade while he is still alive.

Sure US and Iran might fight each. China and U.S. fought each other in Korean War.

 

[mangekyo]

We're not going to get sanctions removed during this administration...... At this point they should be concentrating on survival.
We are sometimes Our Own Worst Enemy..... If they were smart, they would sit down face to face with Trump.. .That way you can cut out the zionists, giving him false information.
If they would have offered Trump a trillion dollar oil and gas energy partnership.... and a beautiful Trump resort at Kish Island, we wouldn't be in a conflict right now.

There are many paths we could take that lead to full sanctions relief. Problem is that the current IRI leadership won’t do it. Thats why I keep saying the only solution is a coup.

 

[Immortals]

I'm genuinely surprised..... I suspected we did a lot. But this is shocking.
On the other hand...I wished they'd shut the fk up about our capabilities.

She’s a moron. Little was changed with Bavar or Arman since the June war. Neither system is out of prototype stage. If anything was changed this individual would be the last to know.

This dumb bimbos post reads straight like ChatGPT assisted slop.

Show me one satellite photo of Arman. Or any satellite photos that point to more mass production of Bavar instead of the same systems we saw in war games.

How come we get satellite photos or S-300, S-200, talash, EW systems, but no Bavar? Has Iran mastered cloaking technology?