Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

Because precision stand off munitions didn’t exist in 1991…..

what exactly do you call Tomahawk?

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

For god's sake people, stay away from an active combat zone. Don't risk your precious life like this.

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Indeed. It's not a spectator sport like the US Civil War was for a few battles.

 

[Shags101]

Because precision stand off munitions didn’t exist in 1991…..

Also stealth fighters and bombers we’re far and few in between to be fair but yep your right

 

[ShapurII]

Artesh better trained? You smoking crack?

Artesh is entirely conscript force. Basically kids doing 18 months of duty then being discharged. Unlike US military it does not provide salary contracts or keep a noticeable standing force in peace time.

IRGC Is both conscript and maintains a standing force. Better trained. Better funded.

But overall the armed forces of Iran are one of the weakest branches. That’s because there is just is not enough money to go around.

Out of $20-25B annual budget probably 60-70% goes to IRGC and mostly to missiles. The rest goes to overall maintenance, food, pay, and upkeep of all the branches in the military.

If Irans GDP is $400B - it spends about 5% on defense. Not enough to modernize a force. Iran likely needs a military budget closer to 75B to begin modernizing and training its massive conscript force or moving to a contract model like the U.S.

The IRIGF performed better than Sepah during the Iraq-Iran war, they had fewer casualties.

The IRGC may fare better in urban warfare, but Artesh has always been a classic force. Even their conscripts are better trained than IRGC conscripts. But they're extremely underfunded.

agree. at least IRGC-N and IRGC-GF are firing SRBMs and drones every day

what on earth is the entire army doing? the navy and air force are giving us no information, and their commanders are invisible. Majid Mousavi is trying to make a new X account every day to threaten the Zionists, while these Artesh guys are nowhere to be found.

IMO, one HVT like a captured American pilot is more valuable than 1000 drone strikes in random buildings in Kuwait and Bahrain and Dubai. and even IRGC-ASF are failing to deter infrastructure strikes now, but I can't fault them for this, they are the only force doing anything and achieved some impressive blows against US bases in the region.

Artesh is just firing Arash drones. That's all I have seen from them during both wars. Nothing more.

Week 5 didn't look good for us. They started to target our critical civilian infrastructure and we didn't reciprocate it well in Israel or GCC states.

 

[Shags101]

what exactly do you call Tomahawk?

Yep your right too but not as many today by far

 

[Persian Gulf]

firing flares would be useful to illuminate the enemy's presence and MANPAD crews

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Also stealth fighters and bombers we’re far and few in between to be fair but yep your right

There were two operational squadrons of F-117s at the time.

 

[kobra]

agree. at least IRGC-N and IRGC-GF are firing SRBMs and drones every day

what on earth is the entire army doing? the navy and air force are giving us no information, and their commanders are invisible. Majid Mousavi is trying to make a new X account every day to threaten the Zionists, while these Artesh guys are nowhere to be found.

IMO, one HVT like a captured American pilot is more valuable than 1000 drone strikes in random buildings in Kuwait and Bahrain and Dubai. and even IRGC-ASF are failing to deter infrastructure strikes now, but I can't fault them for this, they are the only force doing anything and achieved some impressive blows against US bases in the region.

Cosmetic victory, moral boosting, good PR. Even If Iran captures him, will have to return it immediately, just like we did. Trump will be giving ultimatums on hourly basis and eventually when HVT gets released, he will brag that they "Iranians got scared by me and blah blah"

Drones on regular basis at hostiles entitles brings long term strategic gains. , fear among investors, less social and economical activities , less venues for minting money, etc etc

 

[mangekyo]

Is Trump in hell?

 

[Persian Gulf]

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[Shags101]

There were two operational squadrons of F-117s at the time.

….i said not as many as today I looked it up 36 were used far more today in comparison to yesteryear

 

[Immortals]

can you tell me what you have seen the air force do in Iran in the last 2 weeks?

Bro it’s unfitting of a mod to be complaining this much.

The Air Force was destroyed the first week when the shock and awe campaign kicked off.

And I literally told you that would happen, but you wanted to sit and believe that F-5’s, and F4’s and handful of Soviet airframes could do the impossible and survive. I told you guys the AD systems wouldn’t hold up against the U.S. + Israel onslaught and I told you without credible interceptors those ADs would be picked off one by one. But you guys wanted to believe people like jauk and iran_eye

There was a video of a Yak-130 getting sniped from the sky by another U.S. fighter jet (likely an F-22 or F-35). Two SU-22’s tried to do a low flying pop up raid on PGCC and got hit and killed.

Now you are wondering why we didn’t grab some chinooks and MI helicopters magically from whatever airbase isn’t dust and dirt and fly them into an vector that likely has F-22’s or F-35’s patrolling for this search and rescue mission and send our own pilots to their certain death.

Just doesn’t make sense. It’s all emotional thinking.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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@ShapurII

 

[ShapurII]

I think Iran will likely struggle handling a fast deployment action by the US where targets are not static.

But if your thinking from perspective of ground troops, you have to ask yourself what the purpose is. If for example they found where about of a high value person and wanted to kidnap them under suprise, unless his heavily fortified and protected Iran would likely struggle. But if its a land invasion to hold territory they have more time to organise properly and respond.

One thing if they think they can extract nuclear material in 24hrs they could do a daring operation, but I don't see that happening unless the location if nuke material and intel on state of the damage is accurate.

I don't think they can recover the HEU in 24 hours. It's some Mission Impossible type of operation. Iran couldn't recover it after 9 months, what makes you think they will be able to recover it in 24 hours in hostile territory?

We have already poured concrete on the sites where the HEU is thought to be buried.

On top of that, these sites are damaged nuclear enrichment centers. There is a high risk of radiation and corrosive gases down there.

My main concern is losing our islands in the Persian Gulf, and never taking them back.

 

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Attack targets the U.S. Kharboul base in the Hasakah countryside - Syria.