Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Garcia Sea]

Two facts must be confirmed:
In a few years, pipelines bypassing the Hormuz will be built in every GCC, rendering the blockade of the Hormuz an unusable card.
In a few years, US production of interceptor and cruise missiles will increase several times over, making it impossible for Iran to resist.
Therefore, a ceasefire now would certainly lead to Iran's demise within the next two to three years.
If Iran lacks the plan and courage to develop nuclear weapons after a ceasefire, then continuing the war is the only logical conclusion.

 

[Starlord]

How will PAKISTAN be seen as a "Traitor"?

Some people are just overly emotional, Pakistan is trying to broker some cease-fire and peace in the region given our position, but people are not understanding the dire situation, its sad to see some Iranian members are falling for the "we will take on" narrative, there is a lot US can do to them, if you will keep Iran but its major economic/energy infrastructure gone then it will take them 3 decades to recover, and what if America attack in next 5 years? in 5 Years America will restock its inventory they can because of their 100x more industrial production, while Iran will in 5 years will only be done clearing the debris let alone any reconstruction, I understand Iran is skeptical about any deal, and they want permanent cease-fire, but arrogance of some Iranian posters will cost their country a lot more than what it is already done.

 

[Eşbah]

Basra oil is scheduled for the first time to be exported via the Turkish port of Ceyhan, a source at the North Oil Company said Monday, marking a new phase in Iraq’s oil export operations following a recent agreement between the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) and the federal government.

Iraq is trying to circumvent the Hormuz blockade. So far, Tehran didn't attack any energy infrastructure that is linked to Turkey. The pipeline has its limits, though. It can only carry 10% of Iraq's oil exports. Enough to survive but too little to live.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Pakistan should distance itself from any deal, because the US/Israel will break and violate it at some point and Pakistan will be involved in this mess and seen as a traitor and be powerless about it

Unless this is a treaty recognized by the UN with solid guarantees, Pakistan should not be involved into this mess

There is no country other than Pakistan that has equal stakes on either side of the gulf. Sure, Pakistan cannot get US out of the region and the statelets don't carry enough weight even if they wanted to have US depart. It was always going to be the neighbors, ones with real security challenges to demand they leave and now that Iran has been attacked, twice! It is rightful foe them to demand the exit as a clause.

It also elevates Pakistan as the met security provider where both Iran and Gulf Arabs can not only find a venue but enough muscle to tip the scale. That is a net positive for the region...

However, as I said this cannot go without resolving the underlying.

 

[Homajon]

This is 8 years old.....as if he could see into the future. Remains to be seen wether the last 2 lines become reality...

This is the best comment:

 

[Aggregate]

Columns of smoke rise from Dubai.

 

[lightning f57]

Iran does not want an endless war. But from Tehran’s perspective, if the choice is between a temporary ceasefire after which the war is likely to resume, and continued fighting under current conditions, it is more likely to keep fighting, not to “open the straits” on someone else’s terms.

Any proposal put before Iran would have to include not only a halt to the current operation, but also a credible commitment that it will not be resumed - in effect, an end to the campaign. It would also have to narrow future talks to two issues only: Hormuz and the nuclear file, explicitly excluding missiles and support for regional allies. And those talks would have to take place on the assumption that Iran retains both its leverage over Hormuz and its nuclear capabilities.

From the Iranian point of view, this is the only realistic path to stopping the war.

Further escalation, including strikes on Iranian infrastructure, is unlikely to change these core calculations. If Washington is unwilling to move toward these terms, then it will eventually have to expand the war without illusions about the cost—particularly the enormous consequences for the global economy.

Iran is in the strongest position its ever been geopolitically.

It has to extract maximum concessions now, reparations, lifting of sanctions and as you say focus on SOH and Nuclear programme. Anything else let trumpy face complete defeat, even if carries on his warcrimes.

 

[PakSword]

The US and Israel are the least reliable countries in this planet without any ethical or moral values.

Any agreement with them should be considered no agreement.

 

[sharreman10]

 

[RealNapster]

Q

A common sense.

A pilot who escaped by catapulting may never be able to pilot a fighter jet again. This type of pilot usually suffers from spinal compression fractures and neck and brain injuries.

Most pilots will permanently lose their qualification and ability to pilot fighter jets as a result.

Only a small number of pilots can resume piloting fighter jets after undergoing long-term and extensive medical testing and psychological evaluation, as well as undergoing simulator training, pilot training, solo training, and combat simulation training. And this process is very long and expensive, many countries usually prefer to train new healthy pilots.

No problem I think. He will be transfered to Stargate program and made part of SG-1, or maybe even transfered to permetheous to send him to pegasus galaxy.

 

[Optical216]

when u realize this is not a successful pilot rescue op

But a failed HEU capturing op

The Pilot rescue is just a smokescreen

 

[sharreman10]

 

[D. John Trump]

it is in interest of the rest of the world to have immediate ceasefire and open the straits

The world should arrange alternative trade routes even if temporary ceasefire is achieved.Forget SoH.

 

[Hayabusa]

It's a trap! it's a trap!

Agreed.

Iran needs to keep focused and not get distracted by outside proposals, even if they're coming from a friendly neighbor, Pakistan.

The smartest move right now is to keep the pressure on. They should make this conflict so long, messy, and expensive that the U.S. and Israel look at the bill and casualties and decide they're definitely not coming back for another round.

It's a tough situation to be in their shoes with the amount of damages and casualties sustained, but this war has to be worth it to bring lasting peace to itself in the region.

 

[ShapurII]

Two facts must be confirmed:
In a few years, pipelines bypassing the Hormuz will be built in every GCC, rendering the blockade of the Hormuz an unusable card.
In a few years, US production of interceptor and cruise missiles will increase several times over, making it impossible for Iran to resist.
Therefore, a ceasefire now would certainly lead to Iran's demise within the next two to three years.
If Iran lacks the plan and courage to develop nuclear weapons after a ceasefire, then continuing the war is the only logical conclusion.

Not next two or three years. It will take a lot more than that to build canals or underground pipelines. Maybe 5 years, at least.

That aside, it won't take that long for the US to overthrow the Iranian regime.

A non-nuclear Iran will be forced to pay reparations to Arab states in the Persian Gulf. Sanctions on Iran will be tightened. The country will go through more regular strikes by Israel until our civilian infrastructure collapses and Iranians overthrow the regime at any cost.

Again, there is no scenario that a non-nuclear Iran with the Islamic Republic can survive.