Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

Do these people in white house realize that there is a chance that Iranians gives a shit about their country and came out of their own will? sometimes the irony in their statements makes you cringe so hard.

Iranians are the same people that ran over minefields during the Iraq-Iran war for the love of their country, in one of the world's largest classic wars since WWII.

We know how to defend every inch of our country. Nothing has changed.

 

[kobra]

Arabs have zero value of arabs lives === Gaza masssacre

Arabs have zero value of arabs dignity === Trump calling MBS ass kisser

 

[unconventional]

Pakistan is stuck between a rock and a hard place: the vote abstention on the UAE proposed resolution on opening the Strait of Hormuz proves that.

Pakistan’s actions prove it is truly playing a neutral role in the region: it is neither pro/anti-Iran, or pro/anti-Saudi or pro/anti-US. That is the fact.

That is why it gains the respect of all stakeholders in the region to act as the mediator.

Pakistan is truly non-aligned in its approach, when it comes to Iran, Saudi Arabia or the US.

If Pakistan was acting at the behest of Saudi Arabia or the US, it would have been directly involved against Iran. It has made an active effort not to get involved, even though I am sure they must have been given huge financial incentives and possibly other reasons to join the conflict against Iran.

Hence, one can conclude that Pakistan’s non-aligned approach and asking for a ceasefire is truly neutral.

The only country Pakistan is perfectly aligned with is China. Iran made a strategic blunder not aligning closer with China, and this is where Iran could have learned from Pakistan. Top Chinese military technology for Iran would have helped Iran significantly for this war, and they would not have incurred as many losses if they had access to the best Chinese technologies.

 

[Falcon29]

Iraqi security forces are pushing protesters away from from Kuwaiti embassy

Unrelated to US

 

[Desert]

Iranians are the same people that ran over minefields during the Iraq-Iran war for the love of their country, in one of the world's largest classic wars since WWII.

Useless war to be honest , both countries were weakened in favor of gulf countries and israel .. I wished there was peace between sadaam and iran at those times.

 

[r3alist]

Iran needs to hold its nerves and focus solely on attacking Zionist critical infrastructure in Palestine.

The nerve is not in question, but the infrastructure of the country will not be kept up and running through nerve



Don't take this as endorsing the loss of leverage, I don't even understand why a temporary cessation to explore a satisfactory end would be a loss of leverage.....
everyone is losing their marbles, you can have a go at discussions, maybe two days maybe four days, and then get back to where you were if it does not work out.


It is obvious now anyway that this will need more than one round to come to a conclusive end, the main point here is you don't let things escalate into apocalyptic spirals

The hold on the choke points has been established by Iran, so they can do it again after a day or three.

 

[sharreman10]

Are you in Iran right now and willing to let your civilian infra be destroyed?

Infra is getting destroyed anyway, this is my argument.

 

[Aryan_B]

We all just want to stop seeing Iranians being killed, as well as Lebanese and Palestinians, rather than siding with the US or israel.

Of course we dont but had those millions of Russians that died defending Russian cities in 2nd world war surrendered they may have lived but Russia wouldn't be free today.

 

[ShapurII]

Useless war to be honest , both countries were weakened in favor of gulf countries and israel .. I wished there was peace between sadaam and iran at those times.

It was a stupid war, but we were forced to fight it nevertheless.
Iraq launched an unprovoked war on us and we had no choice but to fight it while our Army and security apparatus had been dismantled because of the revolution. It got bloody, but the Iranians never gave up.

 

[Persian Gulf]

From Khark Island to railways, bridges and military supply routes.. Interactive map of US bombing sites inside Iran today



They want to destroy all IRGC defenses and cut all their supply lines..

Ending civilisation means more than IRGC defences

 

[Aryan_B]

Well we all agree about israel, the indians have already stabbed you in the back, and they're meant to you be your friends. We want to stop Iranians being killed, if you think that's backstabbing, can't help you with that. We'd equally like to see you keep fighting the Americans and israelis, but don't want to see Iranians being hurt.

When Indians Attacked Pakistan in that skirmish we had recently and a third country had said stand down cos we dont want Pakistanis to die what would we have said? would we have stood down?

 

[Blain2]

A one sided defense treaty in exchange for money and oil to keep the lights on? What do you call that?

Does anyone here really think that traitor and U.S. cuck MBS would ever support Pakistan if Israel and India attack it? Even Trump said MBS has to kiss my ass.

Iran would support Pakistan much more in such an event than Saudi Arabia.

Relying on MBS is relying on a snake who is in bed with Zionists and Americans. He would sell Pakistan in a heartbeat if it meant he keeps his throne.

How is it one-sided? Do you know all the details?

Now on to the brass-tacks: Easy to sit on vast amount of oil reserves and pass judgements on others who literally have to build their nation from nothing but sand and gravel.

We go by the track-record. Chahbahar, lack-luster support on IIOK etc. are things that we have seen from the Iranian government. KSA has been a stalwart supporter of the Pakistani government. Ideally we don't want to be dependent on anyone but Pakistan does not need MBS to fight our wars, we do that with our OWN hands, every single time since our founding. However, we can use the Saudi job market, we can use the oil subsidies etc. to our advantage and that is what Pakistan has done practically. Our relations with KSA go way back before MBS was even conceived so our deals/pacts are not personality based.

Second, Pakistan has not let its relations with KSA impact our relations with Iran. This is the REASON for Pakistan to want to broker peace.

Just the same way you look at MBS, the Saudis look at Iran Sus

 

[Starlord]

Iranians are the same people that ran over minefields during the Iraq-Iran war for the love of their country, in one of the world's largest classic wars since WWII.

Americans will always give impression that only they love their country, and no one else can or should. If you ask a American will you fight if someone invade US they will say yes we will fight and die, and kill everyone and anyone, but the moment you say that so the Iraqi's or others who were fighting your invasion are same as you, they will stutter so bad.
People should be kept from harm but i don't see any Iranian Army pointing guns at those women and children to push them infront of these Power plants and hold them hostage there, and since when they give a crap about Iranians ? first you send weapons to have a civil war, when that failed you killed 180 Iranian children, and constantly bombing civilian areas and now they gives a shit? like I said its cringy that they don't see the irony in their own statements.

 

[ShapurII]

all this boasting… can we have a separate thread for this shyt?

It doesn't interest me to be honest. I am here for the recent updates on the war, not pointless discussions.

 

[KingQamaR]

It's literally getting the most favorable treatment, so in terms of relative advantage it is very very content

US is strangling Chinas energy supply from stealing Venezuelan oil and now it’s attempt on Iranian oil . China will need oil supply if it ever decides to invade break away Taiwan. Don’t focus to much on trade deals this is the bigger geopolitical issue for China.