Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[r3alist]

Nobody cares about favorable internal pressure in the West. We don't, they don't, Israel doesn't.

If Iran accepts a ceasefire, we have lost the war. It is a premature declaration of surrender. And I hope the Islamic Republic would be kicked fast and get replaced by whatever regime that will be subservient to the US.

Ok bro, not to flog a dead horse, but there is a distinction between a temporary cessation, versus agreeing to overly generous terms of a temporary cessation.

No one is asking for the latter, but they are trying to get to the former



And this notional period is likely to be just the first attempt and you may end up going back to war anyway, but at least that clarifies a terms of reference for a future negotiation.

You see the subtlety here is to prevent a disastrous spiral with some pause for a ceasefire and negotiation.

Just because you agree to a ceasefire hardly means you accept a surrender, that is nonsense if you retain the ability to continue, then you simply continue

And ultimately Iran does want to come to the negotiating table

 

[TAC]

Yes

Asking Iran to give its biggest concession up without anything in return (a ceasefire for 2 weeks is worth nothing when you already been bombed 15,000 times) is a dumb proposal.

This ceasefire proposal was completely slanted towards US and Israel and the Arab nations.

Dead on arrival.

But what more do you expect from Pakistan PM who was praising Trump for being the beacon of peace just weeks ago at the farce “Board of Peace” summit.

2 weeks with good chance it becomes permanent (given that Trump wants out) is much better than the alternative. If things do go bad again what’s stopping u closing the Hormuz again? Fight to death without any compromise is great but will probably result in exactly that and is playing into Isreal’s hands.

 

[Immortals]

Just like 12 day war — Israel is requesting a ceasefire once its interceptors got too low.

The Zionist loves Zarif, Rouhani, and Larijani clan are all but happy to stop attacking because they want to be accepted by the Zionists just like the Persian Gulf Arab Monarchs.

 

[clutch]

I say put the entire onus/blame on Pakistan's insistence and prodding if it gives the two sides an off-ramp. I sincerely hope the two sides take the off-ramp and not let the Zionist bastards derail it yet again.

Zionist will derail it... That is guaranteed as the sun rising from the East (for now).

 

[Goenitz]

Pakistan abstained because her vote didn't matter at all.

It shows neutrality. That doesn't matter, but just a gesture.

 

[ShapurII]

Chances are that he doesn't speak English and he wanted to sound intelligent.
We have the most incompetent people in the highest places. Khamenei was one of them.

 

[omegalamba7xl9]

may i suggest valium?

Already running on natural chaos...

 

[Immortals]

 

[Blain2]

It doesn’t matter who is brokering the ceasefire. 7 parties, 31 countries negotiated the JCPOA and it took only one country to break the agreement. Israel never honored a ceasefire before. Its not going to be different this time. Why would it be different this time?

Agreed, so what is the plan? Fight till Israel is destroyed (not feasible as Iran has no ability unless it goes nuclear)? Or the US is destroyed? Or the GCC is destroyed?

What is the end-game for Iran?

While it pleases me to see Iran tell the US/Israel to go forth and multiply and face whatever consequences come its way bravely, I also worry about the damage Iran will take in the process.

 

[sharreman10]

This is an Iranian capitulation.

 

[ShapurII]

Ok bro, not to flog a dead horse, but there is a distinction between a temporary cessation, versus agreeing to overly generous terms of a temporary cessation.

No one is asking for the latter, but they are trying to get to the former



And this notional period is likely to be just the first attempt and you may end up going back to war anyway, but at least that clarifies a terms of reference for a future negotiation.

You see the subtlety here is to prevent a disastrous spiral with some pause for a ceasefire and negotiation.

Just because you agree to a ceasefire hardly means you accept a surrender, that is nonsense if you retain the ability to continue, then you simply continue

And ultimately Iran does want to come to the negotiating table

Are you the representative of Iran? What right do you have to claim that ultimately Iran wants to come to the negotiating table?

And yes, a ceasefire in Iran's case means a surrender. It will also reset Trump's 60-day privilege to declare war without congressional approval.

 

[Shags101]

2 weeks = USA gonna replenish Israeli supply of munitions and Israel gets a break from Lebanese and Iranian front

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For Iran = US pulls back some demands and puts forth new proposal. Trump appears less humiliated so he can calm down and say he won war even if demands aren't met

Iran can dig up few missiles and reposition some stuff to allow for 20-30 missile barrage on Israel on day 1 of resumed war but after that goes back to normal

Chances are this leads to permanent ceasefire. However it resets Trump 60 days, allows him to go to war from get go again. Gives time for Pentagon to draft new strike options

Even with replenishments for Israel(only Israel at this point if we don’t see that these Arab countries are being thrown to the wolves what else can we say about everything burning down all around them)these interceptors aren’t going to come out of thin air they are either they’re either going to go to Israel or American troops no 50/50 spilt not enough as we are seeing to go around at this point……no more people saying everything is a drop in the ocean when it comes to American defensive or offensive reserves

 

[WildApache]

What a ridiculous proposal by the Pakistanis.
Total surrender and annihilation of Iran ? .

Shamefull .

 

[KingQamaR]

I f*kn knew it.

 

[ShapurII]

It shows neutrality. That doesn't matter, but just a gesture.

A distinction without a difference.