Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Haz]

We need alternative platforms that are not owned or controlled by the biased West. Chinese, Russian or other platforms that cannot be controlled by the paranoid Zionists.

You mean like tik tok?

Oh wait, they managed to take over that too..

 

[PakistanLVR]

How ? Exactly how ?
.
Being anti American is fine but being an ostrich .............

iranian navy cant challenge us navy in open seas .
They cant reach American mainland .
The best they could do is bomb their military bases in gulf .

The

@ Mods - hope this doesn't get banned.

You keep bringing up take the deal - but what are the specifics of it? Trump wants total capitulation which would end current Islamic practices as we know it. They want control for the soul of the religion. Since you mockingly mentioned the Zanibyon therefore implying taking a shot at Shias, let me return the favor - Sunnis ( assume you are one given the inherent biases in your words towards Shias), are a spend force both morally, politically, and religiously. Some Shias are too, but the heart of Shia still beats therefore they are still fighting. For the record, I do not consider Pakistan a "Sunni" state but a Muslim one.
You asking Iranians to sign the deal is akin to asking Imam Hussein (a.s.) to bend the knee at Karbala.
You want the Iranians to sign a deal with Baal worshipers who have broken the all diplomatic norms of m*rdering peacemaker and negotiators while feinting talks only to stab the Iranians twice in the back.
We seen what they did to the ceasefires in Lebanon and Gaza.
I don't advocate war and destruction but in my calculus taking a stand will provide a better ROI given the world's economy at stake.
Why would Iran use dirty bombs? They have a far bigger, powerful weapon in choking off the SoH and letting the world slide in another great depression.
Finally, you bring up death in Iran and lack of a strong conventional deterrent - did Vietnam have any of that when they fought for 8 years against the US? Did the Iraqis have any of that while taking on the US that had full spectrum dominance over land, air, and sea from 2003 to 2011?
Iran might, and will face a lot of death and destruction, but its a civilizational state that will quickly put itself together once this is over, and even if it falls apart, the core part will be a huge portion with a sizable population size that will reincorporate the lost parts easily.

 

[ShapurII]

Well technically, Yemen under Saleh, (who the houthis took power after he died) had Scud missiles, so the houthis inherited some ballistic missiles when the took over the Yemeni govt,and yes, iran helped the houthis at a strategic level(more on this below)

Technically, because you own an iPhone 3G doesn't mean you can build an iPhone 3G, let alone build an iPhone 12.

It took Iran at least 10 years to go from Scud-B missiles to something like Shahab-3 and then another 5-10 years to move on to solid-fuel missiles like Sejjil. There is zero doubt that Yemen's missile technology is completely based on Iranian technology, in fact it is a rebranding for the most part. If tomorrow, Iran stops sending prefabricated parts to Yemen, the Houthis will not be able to produce more missiles.

Iran made a strategic-level and good investment in the houthis,and those investments have paid off for iran, if you accept ehat role the houthis play in the AoR- the houthis are a only close partner of the Axis of Resistance(AoR), not a direct or full member of it, and that's why it didnt have to enter serious military action along with other AoR members during the 40 days of clashes between Iran, israel and US. Neither US nor israeli jets are flying over the houthis' territory today, but they were (and are) doing so against majority/all AoR locations in Iran, Iraq and Lebanon.


Houthis have the right to independently assess the regional war and decide for itself which of its interests and strategic considerations are worth entering the war for. But houthis have motivations and loyalty to not let Iran fall.

There is no such thing as "Axis of Resistance". The only country in the so-called axis of resistance that was not a proxy group was Syria, the rest are militia groups funded by Iran. Hezbollah, Hashd al-Shaabi, Houthis of Yemen, they're all products of Iranian influence in the region.

Houthis of Yemen are not even the official government of Yemen. They are not recognized by the UN. They're there because Iran has helped them stay in power for the sole strategic purpose of controlling the traffic through the Red Sea and the Bab El-Mandeb. That's their whole purpose of existence for Iran. If they do not serve that purpose, they're a useless liability and should be abandoned.

 

[Professor Jiang]

How ? Exactly how ?
.
Being anti American is fine but being an ostrich .............

iranian navy cant challenge us navy in open seas .
They cant reach American mainland .
The best they could do is bomb their military bases in gulf .

The

Do you understand how prolonged closure of the Strait affects the global economy, and that the US is not immune from this impact? Who will buy American products across the world when ordinary citizens are struggling to afford butter or eggs or tomatoes? Better yet, how will Trump's decision-making be affected once his base begin losing jobs or they can't afford to take out mortgages?

Iran never tried to take on the Americans toe-to-toe using conventional military capability because that's impossible. It's fighting an asymmetric war where the economic aspect is primary.

 

[Master Chief]

@ Mods - hope this doesn't get banned.

You keep bringing up take the deal - but what are the specifics of it? Trump wants total capitulation which would end current Islamic practices as we know it. They want control for the soul of the religion. Since you mockingly mentioned the Zanibyon therefore implying taking a shot at Shias, let me return the favor - Sunnis ( assume you are one given the inherent biases in your words towards Shias), are a spend force both morally, politically, and religiously. Some Shias are too, but the heart of Shia still beats therefore they are still fighting. For the record, I do not consider Pakistan a "Sunni" state but a Muslim one.
You asking Iranians to sign the deal is akin to asking Imam Hussein (a.s.) to bend the knee at Karbala.
You want the Iranians to sign a deal with Baal worshipers who have broken the all diplomatic norms of m*rdering peacemaker and negotiators while feinting talks only to stab the Iranians twice in the back.
We seen what they did to the ceasefires in Lebanon and Gaza.
I don't advocate war and destruction but in my calculus taking a stand will provide a better ROI given the world's economy at stake.
Why would Iran use dirty bombs? They have a far bigger, powerful weapon in choking off the SoH and letting the world slide in another great depression.
Finally, you bring up death in Iran and lack of a strong conventional deterrent - did Vietnam have any of that when they fought for 8 years against the US? Did the Iraqis have any of that while taking on the US that had full spectrum dominance over land, air, and sea from 2003 to 2011?
Iran might, and will face a lot of death and destruction, but its a civilizational state that will quickly put itself together once this is over, and even if it falls apart, the core part will be a huge portion with a sizable population size that will reincorporate the lost parts easily.

I wonder if Iran's best strategy is low intensity engagement, remaining below certain thresholds, but inflicting steady economic harm to its enemies.

Indeed, a very astute lady Pakistani think tank analyst (sorry I can't recall her name now) on AJ was saying precisely this yesterday - to paraphrase her: that strict escalation management with simultaneous avoidance of confrontational overreach is the likely medium-term outcome.

I believe Iran could sustain that AND rebuild at the same time.

Very precarious position though. And it is probable that certain losses will need to be incurred (e.g. can Hezbollah be realistically re-supplied by Iran now?).

It seems to be - to third party observers - that NEITHER USA, nor Iran can return to their respective pre-war optimums at present. Some harm will be perpetuated for both sides.

 

[ShapurII]

I wonder if Iran's best strategy is low intensity engagement, remaining below certain thresholds, but inflicting steady economic harm to its enemies.

Indeed, a very astute lady Pakistani think tank analyst (sorry I can't recall her name now) on AJ was saying precisely this yesterday - to paraphrase her: that strict escalation management with simultaneous avoidance of confrontational overreach is the likely medium-term outcome.

I believe Iran could sustain that AND rebuild at the same time.

Very precarious position though. And it is probable that certain losses will need to be incurred (e.g. can Hezbollah be realistically re-supplied by Iran now?).

It seems to be - to third party observers - that NEITHER USA, nor Iran can return to their respective pre-war optimums at present. Some harm will be perpetuated for both sides.

Iran will be chocked to death in that scenario.

Time is running out for Iran. The economy was on the verge of collapse even before the war and now it's even worse. Every passing day is another day of moving towards complete economic collapse, civil war and revolution. Iran doesn't have enough time for low intensity engagement anymore.

 

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[reader2026]

Pakistan should stop trying. Let Iran chart its path.

 

[clutch]

You mean like tik tok?

Oh wait, they managed to take over that too..

JUst make another tik tik... Call it clik clok ... It's just an app. The source code is the same.

 

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It's the stupid Syrian government's own fault. They are puppets of the Zionists.

 

[Haz]

JUst make another tik tik... Call it clik clok ... It's just an app. The source code is the same.

That wasn't my point.

There are many apps that can do the same job as any of the big ones that dominate. The issue is that if any of them gains massive appeal in the west, they will be neutralized by the Zionists one way or another.