Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[kobra]

I think Iran would need either need to develop nukes and or truly ICBMs to hit any part of the globe.

Focusing strictly on your original prompt:

“If you were a leader of a country during times where there are no friends or enemies but rule of the jungle where countries can attack you from thousands of miles away, would you develop ICBMs?”

Under that assumption—yes, I probably would.

If I genuinely believed:

• No alliance could be trusted,
• Powerful states might attack from great distances,
• Survival depended primarily on self-help,
• And my country had the technical and financial means,

then developing a credible long-range deterrent would be rational.

The logic is simple: if an adversary can strike your homeland from thousands of miles away while you cannot threaten theirs, they possess a coercive advantage. An ICBM capability changes that calculation by imposing risk on any potential attacker.

Historically, countries such as China, India, Pakistan, and North Korea have all pursued long-range missile capabilities largely because they did not want their national survival to depend entirely on the goodwill of stronger powers.

Now, whether those ICBMs should carry conventional warheads, nuclear warheads, or whether they’re worth the opportunity cost is a separate question. But if we’re accepting your premise of an anarchic international system where distant powers can attack you and nobody is coming to save you, then a leader concerned with long-term sovereignty would have strong incentives to develop some form of long-range strike capability.

That’s not a moral judgment—it’s the logic of deterrence in a self-help international system.

You just can’t trust non-Muslims. Sorry not sorry

ICBMs are useless without nuclear warhead. Any missile flying towards US will be considered Nuclear by Pentagon, hence the launching country will be targeted by dozens of n-bombs.

If Iran really wants to fend off US, it has to develop Nukes simple is that.

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[kobra]

I suspect Trump is delaying war until the US has precise intelligence on the locations of top Iranian military leaders (particularly Ali Abdollahi and Majid Mousavi) and an opportunity arises to target them.

Highly likey. They will be targeted first and then full fledge strike will happen again.

 

[Persian Gulf]

At the current pace of releases, the US Strategic Petroleum Reserve will drop below the Biden low by late next week.

 

[PakAl]

There is no deal. And there won't be any.
I guess this will be a on and off thing and ultimately US withdrawing from the conflict. They learned it the hard way that using conflict against Iran they cannot acheive anything infact that will damage US more.

That will be great news but how will Usa ever leave middleeast when Israel is here, Israel long term plan is to keep Turks Arabs and Persian fighting each other, sectarian fights, political fights, resources fights etc. Their aim is to make sure no power rises to challenge them.

 

[PakAl]

ICBMs are useless without nuclear warhead. Any missile flying towards US will be considered Nuclear by Pentagon, hence the launching country will be targeted by dozens of n-bombs.

If Iran really wants to fend off US, it has to develop Nukes simple is that.

No point of ICBM, how many missiles will iran fire 1000 2000, this will not stop Nato attack unless Iran has nukes. This is why Iran policy is if Nato attacks Iran will attack Usa allies Israel Uae Saudia Qatar Bahrain Kuwait.

 

[Meengla]

f you look closely to the ceasefire talks between Israel and Lebanon, what Israel is asking for is that Lebanon controls Hezbollah and Hezbollah stops attacking Israeli forces and targets and in return Israel won't target Beirut and their will be a cease-fire
BUT Israel will control the areas of Lebanon it is occupying, just like in Syria and will make some sort of Buffer zone
That's unacceptable, so Hezbollah keeps hitting Israeli forces and they are really suffering

Netanyahu wants to expand the Israeli territories. That's his bottom line in any conflict with its neighbors. Already acquired new Syrian territories three times the size of Gaza, wants to control 70% of Gaza, and wants to acquire the Lebanese land up to the Litani River. All those three land acquisition would be gobbled up, like the West Bank being gobbled up, in the name of Israel's 'security'.
In the Israeli discourse, I rarely notice the mention of Israel's 'borders' because to them that is an expanding abstraction. Only Iran stands in Israel's way. It is a shame that a chunk of the Syrians and the Lebanese are content to lose strategic, fertile land for short term peace. If it were Pakistan's land, you'd see the response. Heck, Pakistan is fighting with a mighty power like India for four decades over and on a sliver of land 20,000+ ft in Siachen Glacier.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Iran has implemented new passive defence measures at Fordow to make it even harder for any ground raid to extract the uranium

 

[Meengla]

That will be great news but how will Usa ever leave middleeast when Israel is here, Israel long term plan is to keep Turks Arabs and Persian fighting each other, sectarian fights, political fights, resources fights etc. Their aim is to make sure no power rises to challenge them.

Great news for the region for the Americans to leave but a nightmare for Israel. The mighty Lion of Judah won't be able to face even Hezbollah without significant American support.

 

[BananaRepublic]

US/Israel strategy is to kill and starve Iran into submission.

Iran’s strategy is to destroy the US (allies) economy.

Iran’s strategy needs less time than America’s.

Hence Iran will win.

Only thing that will trump Iran’s strategy is a nuclear strike.

But that will lead to every mid power scrambling for nuclear bombs.

And that will be the end of US hegemony.

 

[VCheng]

US/Israel strategy is to kill and starve Iran into submission.

Iran’s strategy is to destroy the US (allies) economy.

Iran’s strategy needs less time than America’s.

Hence Iran will win.

Only thing that will trump Iran’s strategy is a nuclear strike.

But that will lead to every mid power scrambling for nuclear bombs.

And that will be the end of US hegemony.

Again, I must caution everyone: predicting a win with any certainty for any side is premature still, at this stage. War is always unpredictable as to its final outcomes, just as water is wet.

 

[BananaRepublic]

I suspect Trump is delaying war until the US has precise intelligence on the locations of top Iranian military leaders (particularly Ali Abdollahi and Majid Mousavi) and an opportunity arises to target them.

How would that alter the course of this war?

 

[PakAl]

Great news for the region for the Americans to leave but a nightmare for Israel. The mighty Lion of Judah won't be able to face even Hezbollah without significant American support.

Cannot happen though, Israel is Usa outpost in the middleeast, they will protect them economically and militarily, in another words Usa will not leave until Israeli exists, and no doubt Israel has its own agenda, to expand territory, to keep neighbours in flame or under their thumb, and keep their militaries in check.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Again, I must caution everyone: predicting a win with any certainty for any side is premature still, at this stage. War is always unpredictable as to its final outcomes, just as water is wet.

Wars aren’t really unpredictable.

Especially in modern times.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Cannot happen though, Israel is Usa outpost in the middleeast, they will protect them economically and militarily, in another words Usa will not leave until Israeli exists, and no doubt Israel has its own agenda, to expand territory, to keep neighbours in flame or under their thumb, and keep their militaries in check.

It’s not too far fetched that a Muslim candidate might run claiming only a Muslim can be trusted to sever the Israeli beggar from USA.

The pig with its trough in Uncle Sam.