Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Meengla]

Well, I'm rather surprised. I thought Iran had thrown its initiative away over that last two weeks of conflict. I was wrong.

I was surprised that you had joined the doomers and the gloomers in this thread but I respect you admitting you were wrong. I doubt many here are capable of their proven wrong. Kudos to you, friend!

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

In regards to the Korean War, the USA never expected China to enter the war. The Chinese had warned them multiple times but they thought of it as just hot air. The moment they started to came close towards the Yalu River, China entered the war and pushed them all the way back to the current North-South border. China was losing men at a high rate but they successfully pushed the entire allied forces back. They would have taken Seoul too but then the ceasefire happened.

You really have an aversion to history books don't you?

Seoul changed hands 4 times during the war. The 3rd time was January, 1951 when the city fell to forces of the Chinese People's Volunteer Army.

UN forces recaptured the city in March 1951. The Chinese did attempt to retake it in April 1951 during their spring offensive but were repelled.

 

[Homajon]

 

[Watandar]

Trump is suddenly in love with the Aye-ranians ??

 

[Pakistani Dragon]

Iranian oil has been sanctioned since 1996 by an act. Iran continues to sell both before during and after. You should instead talk volumes... pre war volumes were 2 million bpd and they increased by a bit during war... Iran still managed to sell oil during the blockade ... numbers are not fully known but Chinese refineries kept receiving oil under Malaysian blend.
However, US oil reserves have dropped to less than half their capacity during this time ... a deal now literally saved hitting the bottom of the barrel! You may not drive but those who do can tell the difference... they're paying for with their wallets... the whole world did!

The US has become a major oil exporting country as a result of this war at the expense of the Persian Gulf exporters.

Countries from South Asia have started importing oil from the US.

Add, how many times Iran walked away from the table as well... that half sentence only reflects heartburn.

How many times?

The Americans attacked Iran twice (2025 and 2026) during middle of negotiations. They also attacked Iran during the cease-fire. Does that show the US is desperate for negotiations or a deal, or they've successfully imposed a stick and carrot policy against Iran?

 

[delta2]

You really have an aversion to history books don't you?

Seoul changed hands 4 times during the war. The 3rd time was January, 1951 when the city fell to forces of the Chinese People's Volunteer Army.

UN forces recaptured the city in March 1951. The Chinese did attempt to retake it in April 1951 during their spring offensive but were repelled.

Yes, the same history books the American high command was reading about China lol.

The Chinese took the WHOLE of North Korea from the combined forces of almost the whole world lead by the USA. They would have eventually taken Seoul.

The Chinese have used the push-pull tactic several times during many of their wars and it always works.

The Chinese would be in a battle and begin to pull back, the enemy would start thinking they are being defeated, they move in forward and fall into trap where China beats the crap out of them from a better position causing severe losses and pushes them back, then pulls back again. The enemy thinks it was China's last do-or-die stance and that is why China pulled back even though the tide was on their side. The enemies try again and after a few battles they get pushed back more and more.

That is how China took all of North Korea. They would have eventually taken Seoul and then the rest of the South if the war had kept going on.

The USSR convinced China to sign the ceasefire otherwise there would have been no South Korea today.

 

[VCheng]

Really? I don’t see all the GCC nations falling over themselves to get into the US camp after this debacle.

Really. Tell me when you see any of them leaving the US camp anytime soon.

 

[Oscar]

I sure hope this happens. Hegseth was the one who assured Trump that Iran would never close the Strait of Hormuz. For that alone he deserves to be fired.

Glad that idiot goes - he has radicalized the military and actually stripped professionalism while wasting time on his so called killer instinct bs.

One extreme was Obama to Biden trannies in the military joining for sex change benefits and now its wannabe crusaders PoGs taking over actual warfighting professionals

 

[Pakistani Dragon]

So if the US was winning and completely destroying Iran, why were they pushing for the ceasefire?

They ran out of targets.

 

[VCheng]

There will probably be arms deal and cooperation between US and Iran if the final deal is signed

F-16 F-15 and cooperation for warships

People laugh at this but with Trump everything is possible

Not just Trump, anything is possible in geopolitics, because there are never any permanent enemies or friends, only national interests.

If such an alignment can be created between USA and Iran, then what you suggest is perfectly possible.

That is why I keep saying that it is wise to wait for the text of the MoU and see what final arrangements are made possible by it in 60 days.

What's the rush to declare victory for any side? Let peace take hold, and everything else can be figured out and discussed when there is actual information available to do so.

Premature speculation is only for small minds of the chattering classes.

 

[VCheng]

Glad that idiot goes - he has radicalized the military and actually stripped professionalism while wasting time on his so called killer instinct bs.

One extreme was Obama to Biden trannies in the military joining for sex change benefits and now its wannabe crusaders PoGs taking over actual warfighting professionals

Be afraid of the idiot that replaces him, for that is the one rule of the Circus Cabinet of the Chief Clown - one must be an idiot to be a part of his cabinet, and every replacement must be an even bigger one.

 

[Lulldapull]

There will probably be arms deal and cooperation between US and Iran if the final deal is signed

F-16 F-15 and cooperation for warships

People laugh at this but with Trump everything is possible

Good god…….who on earth will still buy US arms now? After this Iran war?

Are you kidding?

Look at Japan now…….only thing Japan purchased recently were the newer version tomahawks.

 

[KingQamaR]

They ran out of targets.

American can continue air bombing iran. But it’s hard to achieve victory when you don’t have objectives brother, nor victory conditions. Nobody ever won a war without boots on the ground.

 

[SolarWarden]

Trump is suddenly in love with the Aye-ranians ??

 

[jamal18]

Yes, the same history books the American high command was reading about China lol.

The Chinese took the WHOLE of North Korea from the combined forces of almost the whole world lead by the USA. They would have eventually taken Seoul.

The Chinese have used the push-pull tactic several times during many of their wars and it always works.

The Chinese would be in a battle and begin to pull back, the enemy would start thinking they are being defeated, they move in forward and fall into trap where China beats the crap out of them from a better position causing severe losses and pushes them back, then pulls back again. The enemy thinks it was China's last do-or-die stance and that is why China pulled back even though the tide was on their side. The enemies try again and after a few battles they get pushed back more and more.

That is how China took all of North Korea. They would have eventually taken Seoul and then the rest of the South if the war had kept going on.

The USSR convinced China to sign the ceasefire otherwise there would have been no South Korea today.

I understand that the US told the Soviet Union that if the war continued they would use nuclear weapons. This is what stopped the war.
A US academic who was a lecturer at the war college wrote a book in which he said that the US has not won a war since WW2; implying that the US did not win in Korea.