Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Meengla]

American chest beaters - and they know who they are - now need to explain how USA is in a stronger position in the Gulf region than before the war. You fought this war for Israel and Israel has benefited - is that really something your sons in uniform should be proud of?

Answer: Crickets!
Iran has gained the upper hand. No questions about that. Forget this forum, look at what just about all the analysts are saying.

— Any final agreement will include a plan to establish a $300 billion fund for Iran's reconstruction.

Looks like there maybe some truth in the $300 billion fund, after all. Here is Reuters.

https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/iran-deal-includes-300-billion-fund-more-than-half-which-already-committed-2026-06-16/

• Commitments exceed $150 billion across five regions, says source
• The investment fund vehicle contains no government money
• New fund is separate from frozen asset talks, says source
• Fund only becomes operational after a final U.S.-Iran deal is signed

DUBAI, June 16 (Reuters) - A $300 billion private fund designed to trigger investment into Iran is outlined in the U.S.-Iran framework agreement and more than half that sum has already been committed, a source with ‌direct knowledge of the deal told Reuters.
The fund is designed to give both sides an economic incentive to conclude a final deal, said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the plan has not yet been announced as Washington and Tehran prepare to sign on Friday.

 

[Oscar]

There will probably be arms deal and cooperation between US and Iran if the final deal is signed

F-16 F-15 and cooperation for warships

People laugh at this but with Trump everything is possible

While that is a strech of the imagination - both the KGB and CIA are on record that Iran is the true lynchpin ally they desire in the middle east - not the GCC particularly.
Because it lets them influence the ME, Central Asia - South Asia and really be central to it all.

 

[delta2]

The Germans had killed the British Empire in WW2 already, but its burial definitely took place in the Suez lol.

Now to think of it, how ironic it is!!

The British Empire, the ruler of the seas, buried in a tiny canal between two deserts, never to rise again!

 

[Watandar]

I sure hope this happens. Hegseth was the one who assured Trump that Iran would never close the Strait of Hormuz. For that alone he deserves to be fired.

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[Meengla]

Well, I'm rather surprised. I thought Iran had thrown its initiative away over that last two weeks of conflict. I was wrong.

I was surprised that you had joined the doomers and the gloomers in this thread but I respect you admitting you were wrong. I doubt many here are capable of their proven wrong. Kudos to you, friend!

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

In regards to the Korean War, the USA never expected China to enter the war. The Chinese had warned them multiple times but they thought of it as just hot air. The moment they started to came close towards the Yalu River, China entered the war and pushed them all the way back to the current North-South border. China was losing men at a high rate but they successfully pushed the entire allied forces back. They would have taken Seoul too but then the ceasefire happened.

You really have an aversion to history books don't you?

Seoul changed hands 4 times during the war. The 3rd time was January, 1951 when the city fell to forces of the Chinese People's Volunteer Army.

UN forces recaptured the city in March 1951. The Chinese did attempt to retake it in April 1951 during their spring offensive but were repelled.

 

[Homajon]

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[Watandar]

Trump is suddenly in love with the Aye-ranians ??

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[Pakistan Space Agency]

Iranian oil has been sanctioned since 1996 by an act. Iran continues to sell both before during and after. You should instead talk volumes... pre war volumes were 2 million bpd and they increased by a bit during war... Iran still managed to sell oil during the blockade ... numbers are not fully known but Chinese refineries kept receiving oil under Malaysian blend.
However, US oil reserves have dropped to less than half their capacity during this time ... a deal now literally saved hitting the bottom of the barrel! You may not drive but those who do can tell the difference... they're paying for with their wallets... the whole world did!

The US has become a major oil exporting country as a result of this war at the expense of the Persian Gulf exporters.

Countries from South Asia have started importing oil from the US.

Add, how many times Iran walked away from the table as well... that half sentence only reflects heartburn.

How many times?

The Americans attacked Iran twice (2025 and 2026) during middle of negotiations. They also attacked Iran during the cease-fire. Does that show the US is desperate for negotiations or a deal, or they've successfully imposed a stick and carrot policy against Iran?

 

[delta2]

You really have an aversion to history books don't you?

Seoul changed hands 4 times during the war. The 3rd time was January, 1951 when the city fell to forces of the Chinese People's Volunteer Army.

UN forces recaptured the city in March 1951. The Chinese did attempt to retake it in April 1951 during their spring offensive but were repelled.

Yes, the same history books the American high command was reading about China lol.

The Chinese took the WHOLE of North Korea from the combined forces of almost the whole world lead by the USA. They would have eventually taken Seoul.

The Chinese have used the push-pull tactic several times during many of their wars and it always works.

The Chinese would be in a battle and begin to pull back, the enemy would start thinking they are being defeated, they move in forward and fall into trap where China beats the crap out of them from a better position causing severe losses and pushes them back, then pulls back again. The enemy thinks it was China's last do-or-die stance and that is why China pulled back even though the tide was on their side. The enemies try again and after a few battles they get pushed back more and more.

That is how China took all of North Korea. They would have eventually taken Seoul and then the rest of the South if the war had kept going on.

The USSR convinced China to sign the ceasefire otherwise there would have been no South Korea today.

 

[VCheng]

Really? I don’t see all the GCC nations falling over themselves to get into the US camp after this debacle.

Really. Tell me when you see any of them leaving the US camp anytime soon.

 

[Oscar]

I sure hope this happens. Hegseth was the one who assured Trump that Iran would never close the Strait of Hormuz. For that alone he deserves to be fired.

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Glad that idiot goes - he has radicalized the military and actually stripped professionalism while wasting time on his so called killer instinct bs.

One extreme was Obama to Biden trannies in the military joining for sex change benefits and now its wannabe crusaders PoGs taking over actual warfighting professionals

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

So if the US was winning and completely destroying Iran, why were they pushing for the ceasefire?

They ran out of targets.

 

[VCheng]

There will probably be arms deal and cooperation between US and Iran if the final deal is signed

F-16 F-15 and cooperation for warships

People laugh at this but with Trump everything is possible

Not just Trump, anything is possible in geopolitics, because there are never any permanent enemies or friends, only national interests.

If such an alignment can be created between USA and Iran, then what you suggest is perfectly possible.

That is why I keep saying that it is wise to wait for the text of the MoU and see what final arrangements are made possible by it in 60 days.

What's the rush to declare victory for any side? Let peace take hold, and everything else can be figured out and discussed when there is actual information available to do so.

Premature speculation is only for small minds of the chattering classes.

 

[VCheng]

Glad that idiot goes - he has radicalized the military and actually stripped professionalism while wasting time on his so called killer instinct bs.

One extreme was Obama to Biden trannies in the military joining for sex change benefits and now its wannabe crusaders PoGs taking over actual warfighting professionals

Be afraid of the idiot that replaces him, for that is the one rule of the Circus Cabinet of the Chief Clown - one must be an idiot to be a part of his cabinet, and every replacement must be an even bigger one.