Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[lightning f57]

Almost like he should have left Obama deal in. Trump always had Obama syndrome.

He still does, his unhinged when it comes to Obama that's why he made such a mistake.

Really hope his learned from dealing with snake oil salesman yahu.

 

[VCheng]

@Watandar @BananaRepublic You two like it now, eh? Lol, dolts.

As I said, all that Iran needs to do is a few policy adjustments, and everything will get better and better for everyone. There is nothing like the economy to provide the most suitable motivation to do so.

 

[lonelycaptain]

Almost like he should have left Obama deal in. Trump always had Obama syndrome.

That was a good deal after all.
Obama will allow India to have close relationship with Iran and pressure Pakistan. At that time, both Pakistan and China are much weaker compare to now (mostly China). If the deal stays, Afghanistan may not fall. And China may have a bigger problem on Xinjiang
But the greed of Israel that wants to destroy Iran and strip away everything for Iran to defend itself (missile) and influence (proxies) ultimately cause miscalculation.

 

[KingQamaR]

He still does, his unhinged when it comes to Obama that's why he made such a mistake.

Really hope his learned from dealing with snake oil salesman yahu.

Imagine mate, raging against the JCPOA and them agreeing to this IMAO. Boy oh boy racism is expensive.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Imagine mate, raging against the JCPOA and them agreeing to this IMAO. Boy oh boy racism is expensive.

What's funny is, Obama, who can't seem to remain in the background like his predecessors, has already come out and said a number of the terms of this deal are really no different than his was.

 

[VCheng]

What's funny is, Obama, who can't seem to remain in the background like his predecessors, has already come out and said a number of the terms of this deal are really no different than his was.

Yes, but now there is serious financial bite to the bark, or the lack thereof.

 

[ShapurII]

The Russkies are still flying modern Western jets in their fleets. I think they have been using Armenia and Georgia to sidestep sanctions/restrictions. Iran could follow that path.

US secondary sanctions do not allow that.
One of the earliest US secondary sanctions was about aviation.
It says that no country is allowed to reexport aviation components or airplanes that are less than 25 years old to Iran. And it applies to every aviation component or airplanes where the US holds more than 5% of its share/technology.

 

[Meengla]

Pakistani channels are reporting that the ceremony of signing the agreement in Switzerland tomorrow (Friday) has been cancelled because the agreement was signed yesterday.

 

[KingQamaR]

That was a good deal after all.
Obama will allow India to have close relationship with Iran and pressure Pakistan. At that time, both Pakistan and China are much weaker compare to now (mostly China). If the deal stays, Afghanistan may not fall. And China may have a bigger problem on Xinjiang
But the greed of Israel that wants to destroy Iran and strip away everything for Iran to defend itself (missile) and influence (proxies) ultimately cause miscalculation.

China will see how weak USA is now :/ sad years ahead for US.

 

[Meengla]

Pakistani channels are reporting that the ceremony of signing the agreement in Switzerland tomorrow (Friday) has been cancelled because the agreement was signed yesterday.

Doesn't look like this Pakistani journalist reporting from Switzerland knows that yet. Well, Switzerland in summer is great! So good for him!

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

judgement

Who's judging, VC heng?
The argument never ends from those mere spectators and observers... every post is therefore a judgement and speculation.
YOU WANT THE LAST WORD?

Is that it? Or your speculation is masked by the events not lining up to what you hold in YOUR heart to be the truth and ultimate judgement? So, you not only save it for yourself but dissuade others who post what they see from their lying eyes ... to save the deductions on the path forward with one that you hope will align better with yours eventually?
Would you stop Iranians from cheering this deal and zionists from moaning and wait with baited breath for the tide to turn? You'd stop the moment to be realized by that which is yet to come?
When will your moment or judgement arise heng?

 

[Watandar]

US secondary sanctions do not allow that.
One of the earliest US secondary sanctions was about aviation.
It says that no country is allowed to reexport aviation components or airplanes that are less than 25 years old to Iran. And it applies to every aviation component or airplanes where the US holds more than 5% of its share/technology.

Yeah but sanctions also have a big political component. Armenia and Georgia are not facing these secondary sanctions for various reasons and Iran could follow similar approach. At the end of the day the Russians continue to fly modern Airbus Boeing planes and get the needed spare parts.

With the sanctions gone, there are a LOT of options. In my view it was the economic sanctions that were the most effective western weapon.

 

[VCheng]

events not lining up to what you hold in YOUR heart to be the truth and ultimate judgement?

LOL. Let the events happen first. Then we will see who has the last word.

 

[RocketLaw]

Pakistan… the country that has worked miracles and has played—and continues to play—roles that the UN Security Council has been unable to fulfill: It is now announcing the completion of the signing of the peace agreement between the United States and Iran.

Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif announced: “The historic Islamabad Agreement between the United States and the Islamic Republic of Iran was signed electronically today. It was signed by the presidents of both countries and ratified by me in my capacity as mediator. The agreement takes effect immediately.” First step: Iran will immediately reopen the Strait of Hormuz, and the United States will immediately lift the naval blockade.

Shehbaz Sharif thanked President Trump for favoring a diplomatic solution and praised the U.S. negotiating team: Vance, Witkov, and Kushner. He also commended the wisdom of the Iranian leadership and extended special thanks to Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Egypt, and Qatar for their contributions, which he described as “indispensable.” He also thanked the Pakistani Army Chief, who played a pivotal role in facilitating this achievement.

The country whose image has been tarnished for decades... is the one forging the peace that the superpowers failed to achieve. The wise capitals that warned against and rejected war are the very ones that led the world to peace.

 

[ShapurII]

Dude, fleet size, network and revenues all prove you are wrong. Nothing wrong with being proud of Iran Air, it was a good airline, to say it was on par with Pan Am is just wrong. If you want comaprisons, Iran Air was probably behind PIA in the 60s and 70s, and I do not consider PIA a top 10 airline of the period.

First Jet airliner for PIA was in 1960, first for Iran Air was in 1965.
PIA's total fleet of 747s and 707s was larger then Iran Airs in the 60s and 70s, much larger.
In 1978 Iran Air flew to 31 International destinations, PIA flew to 40
Here you are now putting it in par with Pan AM.

Suggest we get back to topic now.

Since @AZ_HighCountry has already written a comprehensive post about it, I'm not going to reiterate what he has said but even as of today, Pakistan does not have direct flights to New York City, let alone in the 70s.
Even as of today, PIA flies to 28 international destinations. I wonder how you flew to 40 international destinations in 1978. Also, Iran Air and Iran Airtour were different air lines. So, the fleet size of Iran Air (~30) was only for international flights, while Iran Airtour operated its own fleet for local tours inside Iran. Iran Air alone operated 30 something aircraft by the end of 70s. Even as of today, PIA operates 35 aircraft per Wikipedia. Apples and oranges.