Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Iran has been trying to do more trade with its neighbors, no names mentioned, but they were waiting for the "clear signal"aka sanctions regime change from the west before they reciprocated irans economic gestures towards them.

Why should Iran accept US's economic blackmail approach /system under trump after iran just won this war? makes no sense. At this rate, US is the one that'll be severely broken at the end of DTs current term.

Actually, US losing this war means the transfer of hegemony in the ME from US to Iran(this is the real reason Israel and regional countries are very mad). US most likely won't be able to reverse the damage done to its control of the middle east, no matter what it does. Losing big wars leads to big consequences. just calling it what it is.
Bro you are misreading my post.

Right now trumps under probably the most pressure his ever been in his presidency, Iran needs to drive a wedge between yahu and the US. Trumps been speaking glowingly of Iranian leadership, longer term good relations with the US benefits Iran and undermines Israel.
 
Every single country that supported the US and Israel in their war they ridiculously lost should be punished

Argentina, Canada, Australia and everyone else should pay the price
 
I still can’t believe what Ian has achieved
*Proper Preparation Prevents Poor Perfromance*

Iran prepared well,and it will increase it's investment in its military considerably. Any regional country that doesn't listen to Iran will make Iran to behave aggressively in a visible but strategic way. Iran will show less reliance on partners and the AoR and rely more on directly kinetic medicine therapy, because it works and there is no reason to not use it. The ability of nations to fight today is primarily dependent on the availability of ammunition,not technology. To prevent the likely erosion of their wealth, I would advise GCC nations that are anti Iran to convert their liquid wealth to gold now.
 
Trump realizes he can’t win the war. Putin knows he can’t win the war. having overwhelming firepower is too little win if the opponents are military capable and willing to fight until death.
Putin or you?
 
Right now trumps under probably the most pressure his ever been in his presidency, Iran needs to drive a wedge between yahu and the US. Trumps been speaking glowingly of Iranian leadership, longer term good relations with the US benefits Iran and undermines Israel.

Trump maybe seeing the benefits of the Obama policy on Iran, which was bitterly opposed by Israel then. Of course we know, how the Israelis used Trump first term to destroy that policy. Criticize as much as one want to, but the JCPOA was eventually beneficial to Iran and harmful to Israel. Back then, Iran didn't have as many cards to play with and so they took a flawed agreement over continuing stagnant isolation.
 
Ben-gvir talks and behaves like the evil character of a movie.

What a clown.

He was recently banned from enter to USA, denying the visa.

So he can talk to USA from Twitter, but not in person, because he's not allowed to enter in the country

If it were up to me, I would have beaten the **** out of him, tied his arms and legs and thrown him in a well full of hungary crocodiles. That would have been his least deserving punishment for his war crimes.
 
I doubt Pakistan is signatories, no news in any Iran news outlet or in US. seems Shahbaz stage the show. Above is wikipedia link anyone can modify. No Qatari names. We were only facilitators.

The document that Trump also signed in Versailles seems to show a placeholder for the Mediator's signature.
But it doesn't matter. Pakistanis would like to take the credit very much but more than that peace in Iran is strategically important for Pakistan, preferably under a regime not backed by Israel-India alliance. A sanctions free Iran would be icing on the cake!
 
But then why go after Assad or Qazzafi?

Both were secular liberal and anti Zio no?

Why the Mongol AL-Turkiyan listen to Mossad-CIA?
In terms of Assad, he was not anti-zionist, and its come out since that he actively cooperated with Mossad. Let's not forget, the entire reason why the Assad family even came to power was because of Mossad.

With Ghadafi, he was removed by the French and the British via NATO, not the Turks. If I recall correctly, the Turks at the time weren't too thrilled at the NATO intervention.

The Turks did ultimately end up benefitting, as they ended up intervening in both cases, but again, they have their own national interests.

Also, just say Turkiye, they're not Arabs, and insulting an entire nation is disgusting.
 
I doubt Pakistan is signatories, no news in any Iran news outlet or in US. seems Shahbaz stage the show. Above is wikipedia link anyone can modify. No Qatari names. We were only facilitators.

Must you bring in your domestic political nonsense every single time?

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Yeah but theys on the Mossad team no?

Just like Iran was on the RAW team until this conflict began?

And the beghairat (honorless) rest of the Lebanese other than Hezbollah are content to see a prized chunk of their land get gobbled by Israel like they took the Golan Heights.

Pakistanis are fighting India for over 4 decades at the Siachen Glacier around 23,000 ft elevation for a sliver of land in one of the most unforgiving terrain on this planet.

Don't be too harsh with the Lebanese. They have nothing to fight with.
 
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Miriam Adelson is not the only Zionist upset with Trump. Hahahahahaha!!
Guys: Never underestimate America's ability and willingness to adapt and change!


An Israeli newspaper owned and published by Donald Trump megadonor Miriam Adelson attacked the president on Friday in open letter about his Iran peace agreement, accusing him of “betraying” Israel and declaring he has “failed.”

With the scathing headline, “You could have been the greatest president of all, but you failed,” Danny Zaken wrote directly to Trump in a letter published in Israel Hayom — Israel’s most widely distributed paper. Zaken argued to Trump that he “may be remembered forever as the president who brought about America’s humiliation.” He wrote:
 
With the scathing headline, “You could have been the greatest president of all, but you failed,” Danny Zaken wrote directly to Trump in a letter published in Israel Hayom — Israel’s most widely distributed paper. Zaken argued to Trump that he “may be remembered forever as the president who brought about America’s humiliation.”

Here is the full article. Sorry to be posting such a long post but not only their tears are enjoyable but also the article has some insights about the Israeli plans and about what they expected of Trump. What it boils down to: Israel is not capable of taking on Iran on its own and wants the American blood, sweat, and tears to do the job for Israel. As simple as that!


Mr. President. My name is Danny (Daniel) Zaken, and I am a proud Israeli citizen who has worked in journalism and covered developments in the region and around the world, including our country's relations with the great US, for many years.


And from where I sit, near Jerusalem, the eternal capital of the people of Israel since the days of the kingdoms of David and Solomon, I say to you: You made a colossal mistake. You failed by signing a surrender agreement with a murderous and cruel terror regime. You severely harmed American interests and the democratic and human values of the enlightened world, and you turned over the hourglass toward the next war, which your successors will have to deal with in the years to come.

In doing so, you sealed the fate of many thousands of people: civilians, women, children and the elderly, whom the regime in Iran will torture and murder, just as it murdered more than 40,000 of them at the beginning of the year; citizens of neighboring countries whom Iran and its terrorist proxies will murder; fighters who will be killed in the war against Iran and the terrorism it operates. And yes, many Americans too, just as Iran and its emissaries have murdered throughout the years of the mullahs' regime. You did all this in violation of every promise you made, in contradiction to the path you had followed until now, and against the values of America, which was supposed to return to greatness and has now been humiliated into the dust.



You could have been the greatest president of all in this era, alongside Woodrow Wilson, who won World War I and created the foundation for the international framework of the new world; alongside Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who defeated the Nazis and Japan; and behind George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. Then you would have deserved not only the Nobel Prize you covet, but eternal recognition and respect from everyone in the world who mocked you, and there are many such people.

You could have been that president, as you claim to be, but you failed. You missed the opportunity. Instead, unless you change course against the advice of your vice president and envoy, you will be remembered forever as the president who brought about the humiliation of great America and gravely damaged its strategic power and its leading status in the world. And the contempt for you suddenly seems so justified and logical. The broad smile on former President Barack Obama's face contained so much mockery toward the man who had described his agreement as the worst ever. Would you believe that many of Iran's enemies, your friends, now miss that agreement?

I was in Washington during the most recent election campaign, which brought you back for a second time to sit behind the Resolute Desk in the Oval Office and determine the fate of individuals and entire nations. I saw how radical perceptions were taking hold in the rival Democratic Party, and how that affected the ordinary person in the street, the one with common sense, pushing him in your direction because you offered relative normality instead of deranged progressivism. You brought original and bold thinking and placed the good old America at the center. And that understanding among ordinary citizens, who forgave your flaws, earned you a sweeping victory, also because the masses across America believed you could lead the world better, in a way that would advance American perceptions, interests and, no less important, American values.

When you were elected, there was a huge sigh of relief here in Israel, after more than a year of a difficult war and following a terrible massacre, one of whose causes was the mistakes of past American presidents, those who tried to impose an arrangement and brought terrorism. In your first term, you showed that you were different. Not only pro-Israel, but someone who said all the truths that your predecessors, in their hypocrisy and by turning a blind eye, were afraid to say, about the Jewish right to the land of Israel, about Palestinian and Islamic terrorism, about the disgraceful conduct of world leaders and the UN toward Israel, and more.

I wrote about you then that the fact that you had not come from Washington's usual sources, and that you had out-of-the-box views, allowed you to state the simple truth, both on domestic issues such as immigration, and especially on foreign affairs. You correctly diagnosed Europe's decline in the face of Islamic influences, and of course, in the Middle Eastern context as well, you hoped that conflicts could be resolved through economic prosperity. And you did not only talk, you acted. You moved the US Embassy to Israel's capital. You withdrew from the disgraceful 2015 nuclear agreement, the one that brought Iran to the level of a regional and global terror power. You wisely understood the atmosphere in the Middle East following the agreement with Iran and your ties in the Gulf, and you led the groundbreaking Abraham Accords. You were not far from another breakthrough with the Palestinians as well, but they, as always, failed to understand the situation.

Immediately after your election, you did the moral and right thing and lifted the quiet embargo that the Democratic administration had imposed on Israel in the middle of a war, an embargo that cost us soldiers' lives and caused enormous difficulties on the battlefield in Gaza. Later, thanks to your strength and in contrast to the weakness of your predecessors, you led the countries of the region to force Hamas to return the Israeli hostages, that bleeding and painful wound of ours that we carried for two years, until the last hostage came home. For that, we will be eternally grateful.

A year ago, in June, you heard from Israel's prime minister about the intention to launch a war against Iran. The same Iran that was racing toward a nuclear bomb, that threatens all its neighbors with missiles and terrorism, that foments wars and backs Islamic terrorism throughout the world. You gave your blessing, but waited to see what the results would be. When you saw Israel's extraordinary success, our immense operational and intelligence capabilities, then you joined in, and with the big bombers and bunker-busting munitions, you delivered the final blow to the nuclear facilities.

The whole world was amazed at how Israel had persuaded you to join the war, given America's appeasing and problematic conduct for years toward the terrorist regime in Iran. That is why we swallowed our pride when you took all the credit for that war and minimized Israel's role. Well, he likes honor, we said. A small price for the strategic change we had created together.

Six months later, in direct continuation of that war, you met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and with security and intelligence teams from both sides, and you reached the clear and unequivocal conclusion: An even more intense war was needed to mortally harm the regime and remove the existential and daily threat to the Middle East, first and foremost Israel, to American interests and to universal values and morality. In one of the meetings, you, Mr. President, you, set the strategic supreme objective: the fall of the regime. You said the massacre the regime was carrying out against its citizens in those very days must not be repeated, that those brave citizens had not died in vain, and that there was only a maximalist solution to the Iranian problem.

Everyone who took part in the meeting knows that you were the one pushing for this with full force. Mossad Director David Barnea and the prime minister's military secretary, Roman Gofman, presented a practical plan for it, but their assessment was cautious and stated that such a move would take many long months and that patience would be required, as well as work with regional leaders. "Patience" is a key word. To your credit, when Israel haters in the American media and elements around you spread the claim that Netanyahu had dragged you into war and into the goal of toppling the regime, you dismissed it and emphasized that it had been entirely your decision. I hope you will not change that truth now too. The citizens of Iran believed you and waited for you. And indeed, on Feb. 28, together with Israel, you launched one of the most just wars in human history.

And the war worked excellently. You let us do the work against the leadership, thanks to our terrifyingly precise intelligence and the capabilities of the elite Israeli Air Force, while at the same time your excellent people, led by Secretary Pete Hegseth and Adm. Cooper, did an insane job of wearing down Iran's missile array.

The plan to weaken the regime on the way to toppling it, the one presented to you and approved by you, stipulated one intense military stage lasting two months, followed by tighter sanctions and an economic blockade. The blockade of Hormuz came a little late, not terrible, but it did its job effectively. You dealt with domestic criticism over the rise in oil prices with the correct and justified argument that we need to suffer a little now for a much better future.

Over the past two weeks, you received the intelligence reports and the new assessments on the regime's condition. You saw Iran's economy deteriorating toward disaster, but more importantly, you saw the pressure inside the regime, reflected in quarrels, arguments and threats, the beginning of disintegration. More and more reports from Western and Gulf intelligence organizations pointed in that direction. And then suddenly you made a U-turn that cannot be explained by any logical analysis.

It must be said: The warning signs were there even earlier. All kinds of statements that contradicted the policy up to that point, the cancellation of tanker escorts in the strait, the permission you gave Qatar to pay Iran secretly in order to get its tankers through, and more.

Two weeks ago, someone in your circle made sure to leak the sharp conversation you had with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. And I deliberately emphasize the full title. He is not "Bibi." He is the elected prime minister of the independent and sovereign State of Israel, as would be anyone else sitting in his chair. And you not only failed to downplay the importance of that difficult conversation, you added to it in conversations with journalists, while spreading falsehoods, about how "I saved his ass from prison." No, sir. The trial is continuing, and the independent court or the other competent authorities will determine that, not you. And the megalomaniacal statement that without you, Israel would not exist? Well, Israel existed before you and will exist long after you, you have just now made that a little more difficult. Your ambassador to Israel, Mike Huckabee, rightly said: Without Israel, America would not exist. And behind him stand millions of Christian believers, good American citizens, who feel exactly the same way.

Two weeks ago, I wrote, "Of his honey and his sting," a paraphrase of a Jewish saying about accepting a situation for better and for worse. Because the good was still more significant. What I did not understand was that the change was already underway.

Your attempt to prevent Israel from attacking Iran after it fired missiles at us was astounding in its audacity. The prime minister did well to attack despite your words, but not before making clear to you in a conversation that the meaning of not attacking would be bad for America. But you did not internalize that statement. You did not understand the message that, with Iran, negotiations must only be about surrender, and must be conducted from a position of strength, not apology. You continued acting as though Iran were the global superpower pressing on your neck, and not the other way around. You illustrated the Iranian, Chinese and Islamic thesis, which holds that the decadent West lacks the ability and courage to deal with difficulties, and will always, always try to compromise.

Because the strategic significance of this is enormous, and to the detriment of great America. A quote from sane Lebanon, which is trying to reach an agreement with Israel: "Trump gave Hezbollah a shot in the arm at the organization's most difficult moment and sold our future." Similar things are being said about you in the Gulf states. Except for Qatar, your good friend. You sold out the United Arab Emirates, the brave country that went with you to the Abraham Accords and broke through the path, the country attacked by Iran more than any other, your new bestie. Bahrain will face growing coup attempts fueled by Iran. All the Gulf states, except Qatar, which has already bribed Iran too, will receive ultimatums from Tehran, because you allowed the mullahs the legitimacy to control Hormuz and did not fulfill your promise to ensure the removal of the Iranian threat to the oil wells and facilities.

And I am trying, and failing, to understand what caused this absurd change of direction, so contrary to everything you have said and done until now. The midterm elections are a flimsy excuse. You are in your second term, and the surrender memorandum of understanding will hurt the Republicans more than it will help them. Economically too, the excuse you are leaning on does not work. Perhaps oil prices will fall now and the stock market will rise temporarily, but what will happen when Iran uses, and it will use, the power you so rashly granted it and restricts movement through Hormuz? You weakened America. It will no longer be great during your term, and others will have to repair the damage after you. Yes, yes, your vice president as well, who pushed for the agreement, if he is elected after you, will run into the same troubles and crises and wars and murdered people that you brought about with your own signatures.

And one last word from an Israeli. We feel betrayed, nothing less, because your heart was, it seemed, in the right place, with all your flaws. You acted against it. You lost your patience and your moral and leadership compass. Only if you walk this back and avoid reaching a final agreement with Iran might there be a correction.
 
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I know our first instinct is to beat our chests when we feel we have won something


I genuinely think we/Iran need to PLAY SMARTER

As much as I think it's natural to try and crow about your victory

I don't think this is the correct time to rub Americans face in it

Many many Americans have woken up to the stupidity of this war,
They have turned on Israel and Trump
And their is significant economic fallout still occuring


Israel and U.S are attacked at the hip and they are not yet divorced
We don't want to needlessly antagonise the American people



Instead we need to play smart and EXPLAIN WHY, the U.S finds itself in this situation and now Israel is the cause
How much damage Israel has caused American standing
Economy
Morality

And how Israel firsters and supporters need to be thrown out of politics


The war is still ongoing and won't stop till all the Zionists have been completely expelled from the middle east
 
So in the Gaza war thread, I had repeatedly warned that the Trump presidency would be really bad for the Middle East and that better to vote for Harris. That much has come true. BUT some in that thread had posted that Trump would be so bad in the Middle East that he would destroy the existing order and there would be a new Middle East. And that is indeed happening, too!

The genocide was already in place, but the war in Iran and its failure will change the face of the middle east and it has accelerated the demise of Israel's reputation and influence on the USA itself directly. On balance ( and I appreciate a lot of Iranians have died unfortunately and a lot of economic damage to Iran, so I know the depth of what I am about to say ) is this outcome better for long term peace in the middle east, or not ? Was it worth the cost? Iran may have broken the deadlock on the sanctions that were throttling the economy, abraham accords are dead, new security framework and alliance is being built that sees Israel as the threat to the region and not Iran, etc..
 

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