Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[unconventional]

@ShapurII

You are clearly arguing emotionally for the sake of arguing. You have not provided any rebuttals to any of my points, sidestepping; moving goalposts and not being to provide objective statements; whereas I engaged with your posts directly and rebutted them giving concrete and verifiable facts and counterpoints.

I see you have no counter for the remaining stockpile of ballistic missiles for Iran vs interceptors for the US/Israel. The production of Iranian missiles (monthly rate) was the only objective statement you provided, the rest of your posts are pure emotional conjecture.

 

[VCheng]

So, this whole idea that Iran can overmatch both Israel and the US has not been proven to be true yet.

And yet, we are forced to accept that Iran has already won, and therefore we must accept its victory right now.

 

[VCheng]

The US seriously lacks a cheap solution to a cheap but very plentiful problem.

USA has never worked that way.

I am reminded of spending a huge amount to develop a zero gravity pen for the astronauts, while Russian just used pencils, back in the day. Similarly, we will now produce million dollar missiles to shoot down thousand dollar drones.

US taxpayers FTW!

 

[unconventional]

And yet, we are forced to accept that Iran has already won, and therefore we must accept its victory right now.

No one is forcing you, you are free to believe anything you want.

But it is clear to everyone impartial who won this, and it’s reflected in the analyses of most international observers; and reflected even in the terms of the MOU.

We have to remember, the only concession Iran had to give in the (documented) MOU was opening up the straits, the rest were all concessions by the US. There was no mention of Iran’s nuclear program/assets.

 

[VCheng]

No one is forcing you, you are free to believe anything you want.

But it is clear to everyone impartial who won this, and it’s reflected in the analyses of most international observers; and reflected even in the terms of the MOU.

We have to remember, the only concession Iran had to give in the (documented) MOU was opening up the straits, the rest were all concessions by the US. There was no mention of Iran’s nuclear program/assets.

Of course. Of course.

The 60 days mentioned in the MoU are not important, I take it?

 

[Master Chief]

And yet, we are forced to accept that Iran has already won, and therefore we must accept its victory right now.

The best policy tends to be to simply let people believe what they must, for it matters not to any of us.

 

[VCheng]

The best policy tends to be to simply let people believe what they must, for it matters not to any of us.

Of course. Of course.

But then again, some posts are summarily deleted, while others are not. So, it does matter to the mods what is said, which, of course, is their duty to enforce.

No worries. What is said matters not to reality, and the reality will continue over the next 60 days, as well as thereafter.

 

[unconventional]

Of course. Of course.

The 60 days mentioned in the MoU are not important, I take it?

I think you’re quite knowledgeable on the subject, so just wanting to understand from you. Why 60 days and not 90 days? Or 6 months? Why any deal at all with terms like these (in the MOU), when the US/Israel had the upper hand, and Iran was on the brink of complete collapse?

What will happen after 60 days from a US calculation standpoint if the 60 days do not result in a long term negotiated settlement?

 

[VCheng]

What will happen after 60 days from a US calculation standpoint if the 60 days do not result in a long term negotiated settlement?

I cannot predict the future as well as most here. Please ask them this question, since I am content to be patient and see the end result of the negotiations.

 

[unconventional]

I cannot predict the future as well as most here. Please ask them this question, since I am content to be patient and see the end result of the negotiations.

But when we talked about the terms of the MOU favoring Iran, you seemed to be alluding that the 60 days was something important from a US strategic calculation standpoint. Now you’re saying you don’t know the significance of the 60 days, and what would happen if a long term negotiated agreement isn’t reached in 60 days.

 

[VCheng]

Now you’re saying you don’t know the significance of the 60 days

LOL. Nowhere did I say that.

I only said I cannot predict what might or might not happen after the 60 days. And I say that only because the MoU itself mentions the many things that will be negotiated during that time period.

It is others here who think that the MoU has decided everything that Iran needs to declare victory.

Obviously, Iran must therefore has won by consensus, it is agreed. And no one can disagree.

what would happen if a long term negotiated agreement isn’t reached in 60 days.

I do not know what would happen in that case. Do you?

 

[Lulldapull]

This means less Iranian oil for China, which is good, because China took advantage of Iran a bit by buying a ton of its sanctioned oil at unfair prices.

A bit?.....How bout for the last 40 odd years no?

 

[unconventional]

LOL. Nowhere did I say that.

I only said I cannot predict what might or might not happen after the 60 days. And I say that only because the MoU itself mentions the many things that will be negotiated during that time period.

It is others here who think that the MoU has decided everything that Iran needs to declare victory.

Obviously, Iran must therefore has won by consensus, it is agreed. And no one can disagree.



I do not know what would happen in that case. Do you?

I am confused, so what was the point about the 60 days then?

About the MOU, can you point out in the text (specifically stated in the text) what the obligations on Iran are; and what concessions Iran will be getting? Please keep it strictly to the text of the document.

Also, can you show the exact words in the MOU about what Iranian topics specifically (if anything) will be discussed after the 60 day period?

 

[VCheng]

I am confused, so what was the point about the 60 days then?

About the MOU, can you point out in the text (specifically stated in the text) what the obligations on Iran are; and what concessions Iran will be getting? Please keep it strictly to the text of the document.

Also, can you show the exact words in the MOU about what Iranian topics specifically (if anything) will be discussed after the 60 day period?

You can look up what you seek in the MoU itself just as easily as anyone else. I can copy it for you as you ask, but I cannot comprehend it for you.

 

[Lulldapull]

Do rupay k Gulfy (Colluddzz toady) sucking off da US in desperation.........

This is just unbearable to watch gents.

Iran's totally incharge as evident from last nights missile attack on a ship that refused ta listen:

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Oh he's tryn'a reassure em that he's got their back and there ain't nothin to worry bout.....lol

I want Iran to attack Indian ships now cuz they are just as bad as these Gulfy's. Biggest sucka's out there are Indians.