Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[RescueRanger]

Not really. In terms of imbalance of power and economy, yes, but it is the brain that sits on top for strategic thinking which matters in any case.

I too empathize with them, especially considering they have been the only one putting their necks out for the hapless Palestinians with great costs to themselves!


India is poor. It reflects everywhere in their society. Their large GDP may look good on paper but that's the extent of that. Anyway, it is for another discussion.



I actually admire the Mosaic defense system of Iran. But I don't equate that with a unified chain of command. The Mosaic system is more tactical and could be even strategic if all the decision makers were to be on the 'same page'.

I mean we can argue about this till we are both blue in the face, fact of the matter is Iranians are fighting the war, they have a better grasp on the nuts and bolts of this then us sitting here on PDF.

 

[030292]

Saudis aren't exactly known for their critical thinking lol.
By their standards, this was a smart move.

Here's hoping my country is watching the events closely. Hint: stay out of this mess Pakistan.

Sadly with each passing day it seems they specifically hired us as mercenaries to fight their meaningless wars with full support and backing from america and zionists.

I hope our decision makers were not that stupid to tie our country in endless middle eastern wars just get a few barrels of oil and start attacking anyone who ksa/israel deems an enemy and there are contingency plans.

 

[Hazard]

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Pakistan should avoid getting into this mess (Jewish scheme) AT ALL COSTS.

Though contact should be done with Iranians/Houthis to keep it low when it comes to Saudis...

Also keep an eye on Israeli false flags - in Middle East and in Washington.

No, Saudis need to be taught a lesson. Take a step back and simply sit it out. Open the defence pact document, read it thoroughly, find a loophole and simply issue a statement. Saudis decided to go on an adventure, let them continue the journey on their own.

 

[tsunset]

Could you please explain what is this "principle of control" in Article 5 of the MoU that you claim? Thanks.

Not that it matters now, but perhaps understanding language can help us all to understand better what the terms of the final settlement, whenever it finally happens, are in reality.

The US has no business in the region

They should protect their own coasts from drug cartels that are killing MILLIONS of Americans before going 8000km away from their coast trying to bully other nations

 

[ShapurII]

Saudis paid Pakistan in oil. Iran could have attempted instead Iran built relationship with India (muslim haters) and Russia (who according to Putin majority are russian speakers and follows Russia can not contemplate any agrresion against them)

Don't even go there. Pakistan hasn't finished its side of the pipeline since 2015, even though we have a contract. You signed a contract and broke it, and we can act on it and ask for reparations + interest for 11 years.

We can sue Pakistan for billion dollars in damages and we have not done that yet. Consider that to be our payment. Now let's see what will Pakistan do in return for that payment. Because the ceasefire and the MoU you mediated have been disastrous.

 

[Aryan_B]

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Pakistan should avoid getting into this mess (Jewish scheme) AT ALL COSTS.

Though contact should be done with Iranians/Houthis to keep it low when it comes to Saudis...

Also keep an eye on Israeli false flags - in Middle East and in Washington.

Muslim leaders are stupid and will give Israel what they want which is war between Muslim countries.

How stupid the GCC piglets to allow troops to attack Iran from their lands and pretend they neutral. Its inevitable that Muslims countries are being goaded into attackng each other

 

[Aryan_B]

Don't even go there. Pakistan hasn't finished its side of the pipeline since 2015, even though we have a contract.

We can sue Pakistan for billion dollars in damages and we have not. Consider that to be our payment.

If Iran made the oil cheap enough to allow to take into account for sanctions that would inevitably follow against Pakistan (because of Iran/america relations) am sure it could have been done.

But paying market rates for oil that would result in sanctions is mad and btw I always beena supporter of IP pipeline

 

[ShapurII]

If Iran made the oil cheap enough to allow for sanctions that would inevitably follow against Pakistan am sure it could have been done.

But paying market rates for oil that would result in sanctions is mad and btw I always beena supporter of IP pipeline

We do not need to make oil cheap enough for you. You signed a deal, knowing the price. You signed a contract, you broke it. As simple as that.

You have to realize that if the regime of Iran is changed, the contract you have broken will be grounds for reparations. Billions of dollars of reparations + interest.

 

[VCheng]

Article 5 recalls UNCLOS and UNCLOS say "safe passage" decide by coastal country,

and US is not a coastal country. US is it an ALLIEN ILEGAL and IRGC is ICE taking out ALLIEN ILEGAL from Persian Gulf.

Period.

Isn't Oman a coastal country too? So how does Iran get to decide what Oman can do in its coastal waters?

Besides, the exact language of the MoU Article 5 is quite clear to comprehend, and none of it allows what happened with the traffic in the first 60 days.

 

[Ali_Baba]

damned saudis emboldened no doubt by Pakistani military

The Saudi's make stupid retarded decisions all the time, and this is another one of them.

Will we see a full restart of the Yemen war, and does this mean that Yemen will now go after Saudi's oil infrastructure on the red sea ? Saudi's had a level of immunity from the Hormuz because of these facilities.

 

[VCheng]

The US has no business in the region

They should protect their own coasts from drug cartels that are killing MILLIONS of Americans before going 8000km away from their coast trying to bully other nations

That may be true, but your response has nothing to do with the question I asked, Sir.

 

[ShapurII]

Isn't Oman a coastal country too? So how does Iran get to decide what Oman can do in its coastal waters?

Besides, the exact language of the MoU Article 5 is quite clear to comprehend, and none of it allows what happened with the traffic in the first 60 days.

Iran isn't a signatory to the UNCLOS. Besides that, the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz are too shallow for international navigation laws to kick in.

Also, even if we accept the UNCLOS as a basis for defining the territorial waters of Iran and Oman, since the strait is too narrow, our territorial waters overlap.

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

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Pakistan should avoid getting into this mess (Jewish scheme) AT ALL COSTS.

Though contact should be done with Iranians/Houthis to keep it low when it comes to Saudis...

Also keep an eye on Israeli false flags - in Middle East and in Washington.

Supporting the regimes that support the genocidal yankees and zionists for money and power is even worse than supporting Satan

 

[Flotilla]

Isn't Oman a coastal country too? So how does Iran get to decide what Oman can do in its coastal waters?

Both are, but NOT US. And if Oman plays dirty with a NON coastal country, they play fire.

They opened a waterway that is dangerous, against international maritime traffic and just designed to void the control agreed by BOTH countries.

But BOTH countries are IRAN and OMAN, NOT US.

I think it is not that much difficult to understand, man!.

 

[VCheng]

Iran isn't a signatory to the UNCLOS. Besides that, the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz are too shallow for international navigation laws to kick in.

Also, even if we accept the UNCLOS as a basis for defining the territorial waters of Iran and Oman, since the strait is too narrow, our territorial waters overlap.

All of these points need to kept in mind for any future negotiations, of course.