Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Flotilla]

Well, by now, even the sympathizers of Iran are learning about the absolute role a religious cleric like the Ayatollah plays, and then there is the IRGC, and then the Reformists. When the ARAMCO attack in Saudi Arabia happened, the official Iranian position was to disown that but the IRGC claimed that. Even the very sympathetic Pakistani analysts were scratching their heads.
There is already Israel doing all it can to engineer a conflict between the regional countries. If there is any truth in Mossad co-opting Ahmadinejad, as NY Times is posting today, then that is very problematic. Iranians shouldn't help Israel with their goals. Speak in one voice. One voice. Have a solid chain of command which even poor countries like India and Pakistan have.

You may be aware that attacks to civilians ships have happened not just last week. During all MOU, few days later of Versailles, the first attack came, and it was because they´re using a south corridor that is trying to void the principle of control of article 5.

Yes, maybe the hardliners are in charge right now, but it should not be a secret that there are a sense of unity in these actions. The strategy it is the same, make unusable that "south corridor" that are just few hundreds meters from riffs and cliffs.

Thinking that there are not a common strategy in iranian actions recalls me the days of the revolts promoted by Israel and US. They thought people would overthrow the Regime and was clearly expossed that they were a minority.

It is another mistake.

 

[Aryan_B]

I mean was he wrong?

Of course not but it woudl have been better to butter them up until you in a position to destroy them why make enemy when you cant do anything about their actions

 

[Hazard]

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What was Saudi thinking? Wasted 10 expensive Storm Shadow bombs on an empty runway to stop a plane which just landed in an adjacent airport instead. And now invited missile strikes on its own airport.

Very stupid.

Saudis aren't exactly known for their critical thinking lol.
By their standards, this was a smart move.

Here's hoping my country is watching the events closely. Hint: stay out of this mess Pakistan.

 

[Aryan_B]

And who do you think can pay them better? Iran? Or Saudi Arabia and the US?

Saudis paid Pakistan in oil. Iran could have attempted instead Iran built relationship with India (muslim haters) and Russia (who according to Putin majority are russian speakers and follows Russia can not contemplate any agrresion against them)

 

[Aryan_B]

Saudis aren't exactly known for their critical thinking lol.
By their standards, this was a smart move.

Here's hoping my country is watching the events closely. Hint: stay out of this mess Pakistan.

Bit late dont ya think with our troops sitting in Saudi but i hope they are restrained and only to be used agaist Jews

 

[VCheng]

the principle of control of article 5.

Could you please explain what is this "principle of control" in Article 5 of the MoU that you claim? Thanks.

Not that it matters now, but perhaps understanding language can help us all to understand better what the terms of the final settlement, whenever it finally happens, are in reality.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

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Pakistan should avoid getting into this mess (Jewish scheme) AT ALL COSTS.

Though contact should be done with Iranians/Houthis to keep it low when it comes to Saudis...

Also keep an eye on Israeli false flags - in Middle East and in Washington.

 

[Aryan_B]

Could you please explain what is this "principle of control" in Article 5 of the MoU that you claim? Thanks.

Not that it matters now, but perhaps understanding language can help us all to understand better what the terms of the final settlement, whenever it finally happens, are in reality.

To tell ya truth many things in that MOU flew in the face of the protagonists position or were vague to the nth degree

 

[Hazard]

damned saudis emboldened no doubt by Pakistani military

And who didn't see this coming? They'll ignite the fire, and take a step back, and let cheap Bakistani blood flow. Whilst they sit in their air conditioned palaces and f*#k hookers.

This is precisely why I'm vehemently against this stupid one sided defence pact. When will our people stop selling their souls for mere few $$s?

Honestly can't get my head around this. Close to a million slaughtered by the Zios in the last 3 years and not a single word from these lot...and now they are so offended by an airplane landing in a SOVEREIGN country, that they decide to bomb their airport?!?!? You couldn't make this s*#t up. Yemen has a right to defend itself.

 

[Flotilla]

Could you please explain what is this "principle of control" in Article 5 of the MoU that you claim? Thanks.

Article 5 recalls UNCLOS and UNCLOS say "safe passage" decide by coastal country,

and US is not a coastal country. US is it an ALLIEN ILEGAL and IRGC is ICE taking out ALLIEN ILEGAL from Persian Gulf.

Period.

 

[RescueRanger]

Not really. In terms of imbalance of power and economy, yes, but it is the brain that sits on top for strategic thinking which matters in any case.

I too empathize with them, especially considering they have been the only one putting their necks out for the hapless Palestinians with great costs to themselves!


India is poor. It reflects everywhere in their society. Their large GDP may look good on paper but that's the extent of that. Anyway, it is for another discussion.



I actually admire the Mosaic defense system of Iran. But I don't equate that with a unified chain of command. The Mosaic system is more tactical and could be even strategic if all the decision makers were to be on the 'same page'.

I mean we can argue about this till we are both blue in the face, fact of the matter is Iranians are fighting the war, they have a better grasp on the nuts and bolts of this then us sitting here on PDF.

 

[030292]

Saudis aren't exactly known for their critical thinking lol.
By their standards, this was a smart move.

Here's hoping my country is watching the events closely. Hint: stay out of this mess Pakistan.

Sadly with each passing day it seems they specifically hired us as mercenaries to fight their meaningless wars with full support and backing from america and zionists.

I hope our decision makers were not that stupid to tie our country in endless middle eastern wars just get a few barrels of oil and start attacking anyone who ksa/israel deems an enemy and there are contingency plans.

 

[Hazard]

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Pakistan should avoid getting into this mess (Jewish scheme) AT ALL COSTS.

Though contact should be done with Iranians/Houthis to keep it low when it comes to Saudis...

Also keep an eye on Israeli false flags - in Middle East and in Washington.

No, Saudis need to be taught a lesson. Take a step back and simply sit it out. Open the defence pact document, read it thoroughly, find a loophole and simply issue a statement. Saudis decided to go on an adventure, let them continue the journey on their own.

 

[tsunset]

Could you please explain what is this "principle of control" in Article 5 of the MoU that you claim? Thanks.

Not that it matters now, but perhaps understanding language can help us all to understand better what the terms of the final settlement, whenever it finally happens, are in reality.

The US has no business in the region

They should protect their own coasts from drug cartels that are killing MILLIONS of Americans before going 8000km away from their coast trying to bully other nations

 

[ShapurII]

Saudis paid Pakistan in oil. Iran could have attempted instead Iran built relationship with India (muslim haters) and Russia (who according to Putin majority are russian speakers and follows Russia can not contemplate any agrresion against them)

Don't even go there. Pakistan hasn't finished its side of the pipeline since 2015, even though we have a contract. You signed a contract and broke it, and we can act on it and ask for reparations + interest for 11 years.

We can sue Pakistan for billion dollars in damages and we have not done that yet. Consider that to be our payment. Now let's see what will Pakistan do in return for that payment. Because the ceasefire and the MoU you mediated have been disastrous.