Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

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Pakistan should avoid getting into this mess (Jewish scheme) AT ALL COSTS.

Though contact should be done with Iranians/Houthis to keep it low when it comes to Saudis...

Also keep an eye on Israeli false flags - in Middle East and in Washington.

Muslim leaders are stupid and will give Israel what they want which is war between Muslim countries.

How stupid the GCC piglets to allow troops to attack Iran from their lands and pretend they neutral. Its inevitable that Muslims countries are being goaded into attackng each other
 
Don't even go there. Pakistan hasn't finished its side of the pipeline since 2015, even though we have a contract.

We can sue Pakistan for billion dollars in damages and we have not. Consider that to be our payment.
If Iran made the oil cheap enough to allow to take into account for sanctions that would inevitably follow against Pakistan (because of Iran/america relations) am sure it could have been done.

But paying market rates for oil that would result in sanctions is mad and btw I always beena supporter of IP pipeline
 
If Iran made the oil cheap enough to allow for sanctions that would inevitably follow against Pakistan am sure it could have been done.

But paying market rates for oil that would result in sanctions is mad and btw I always beena supporter of IP pipeline
We do not need to make oil cheap enough for you. You signed a deal, knowing the price. You signed a contract, you broke it. As simple as that.

You have to realize that if the regime of Iran is changed, the contract you have broken will be grounds for reparations. Billions of dollars of reparations + interest.
 
Article 5 recalls UNCLOS and UNCLOS say "safe passage" decide by coastal country,

and US is not a coastal country. US is it an ALLIEN ILEGAL and IRGC is ICE taking out ALLIEN ILEGAL from Persian Gulf.

Period.

Isn't Oman a coastal country too? So how does Iran get to decide what Oman can do in its coastal waters?

Besides, the exact language of the MoU Article 5 is quite clear to comprehend, and none of it allows what happened with the traffic in the first 60 days.
 
damned saudis emboldened no doubt by Pakistani military

The Saudi's make stupid retarded decisions all the time, and this is another one of them.

Will we see a full restart of the Yemen war, and does this mean that Yemen will now go after Saudi's oil infrastructure on the red sea ? Saudi's had a level of immunity from the Hormuz because of these facilities.
 
The US has no business in the region

They should protect their own coasts from drug cartels that are killing MILLIONS of Americans before going 8000km away from their coast trying to bully other nations

That may be true, but your response has nothing to do with the question I asked, Sir.
 
Isn't Oman a coastal country too? So how does Iran get to decide what Oman can do in its coastal waters?

Besides, the exact language of the MoU Article 5 is quite clear to comprehend, and none of it allows what happened with the traffic in the first 60 days.
Iran isn't a signatory to the UNCLOS. Besides that, the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz are too shallow for international navigation laws to kick in.

Also, even if we accept the UNCLOS as a basis for defining the territorial waters of Iran and Oman, since the strait is too narrow, our territorial waters overlap.
 
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Pakistan should avoid getting into this mess (Jewish scheme) AT ALL COSTS.

Though contact should be done with Iranians/Houthis to keep it low when it comes to Saudis...

Also keep an eye on Israeli false flags - in Middle East and in Washington.

Supporting the regimes that support the genocidal yankees and zionists for money and power is even worse than supporting Satan
 
Isn't Oman a coastal country too? So how does Iran get to decide what Oman can do in its coastal waters?

Both are, but NOT US. And if Oman plays dirty with a NON coastal country, they play fire.

They opened a waterway that is dangerous, against international maritime traffic and just designed to void the control agreed by BOTH countries.

But BOTH countries are IRAN and OMAN, NOT US.

I think it is not that much difficult to understand, man!.
 
Iran isn't a signatory to the UNCLOS. Besides that, the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz are too shallow for international navigation laws to kick in.

Also, even if we accept the UNCLOS as a basis for defining the territorial waters of Iran and Oman, since the strait is too narrow, our territorial waters overlap.

All of these points need to kept in mind for any future negotiations, of course.
 
Both are, but NOT US. And if Oman plays dirty with a NON coastal country, they play fire.

But Oman can do what it wants within its coastal waters, fire or not, right? Or am I missing something?
 
We do not need to make oil cheap enough for you. You signed a deal, knowing the price. You signed a contract, you broke it. As simple as that.

You have to realize that if the regime of Iran is changed, the contract you have broken will be grounds for reparations. Billions of dollars of reparations + interest.
contract can be set aside in law. Neither of us has seen terms of contract so meaningless to talk about breach of cntract

The point I am making is that Iran should have made the deal so good that Pakistan had no choice but do it

we agree Pakistani leaders can be purchase So you think Saudis can buy Pakistani leaders but Iranians cant or wont pay the price required
 
Good points.

I disagree though that Iran broke the MoU. The timeline of events is evident in itself.

Your first point is based on an assumption that Israel was destined to break the terms and that Iran should have predicted this. The MoU was arbitrated by Pakistan et al in good faith. Why should Iran have assumed it would be immediately and recklessly contravened by Israel? Yes, they should have been prepared for that eventuality, which they likely were, but when an agreement is signed and brokered, it is entirely reasonable to assume that the parties will be beholden to it.

The MOU was signed between the US and Iran. The US did not break its part. Did Iran expect Israel to raise its hands as soon as it was signed? Did it not see the increasing friction between the US and Israel on it, the first time ever? Instead, it attacked those vessels and flung the US exactly where Israel wanted it. Foolishly threw the baby out with the bathwater. How did that serve Iran? I keep repeating this to emphasize that your premise is faulty. The question is not what Iran is justified to do but what will serve it best?

Regarding Omani waters, I never said that I believe that Iran should control them or seek control of them. I said that events in the SoH are not bound by an already broken treaty,

Not what I argued against, either. Morality, or even any treaty, holds no sway on the matter.

Iran knew exactly what the US response would be. Yet, it went ahead with it. To What End? The day that Iran has the means to pull this off, it can go back and do whatever it wants. Premature attempts will only delay it from achieving those means and make its people suffer needlessly.

so belligerent powers will have to work in their own interests from that point onwards.

Within their means while not jeopardizing what has already been achieved.

The very question itself requires inversion. What did Oman think would happen if they took Iranian business away from them almost literally from under their noses and handed that business to all and sundry?

Who would you have picked to oppose, Iran or the US?

If Iran believes it can enforce its interests in SoH, why shouldn't they do just that?

That exact belief is my contention. Iran cannot, to the extent that its hardliners and its posse here wish it could. Their political leadership knows this and was guiding them through it remarkably well until those vessels were hit.

It is essentially a war between cartels out there, fighting for economic supremacy. Siding with one cartel exposes you to the other. You speak of broadly of naivety as though those taking ANY sides in such a mess are somehow any different.

They are, in power. One geriatric manchild can kill dozens of innocent Iranian children with impunity on a vile whim. The naivety is in pretending it's anything different. Taking sides is natural based on personal and national interests. The naivety of personal interests is another matter.

The strong undercurrent is a demand for respect and equality, which is very understandable.

(Except that such things are earned geopolitically, never demanded.)

But naive. Leaves us throwing hissy fits after futile attempts to force it.
 
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