Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Yes, so you are aiding your enemy. The killer of Solemani and Khamenai Sr. And tens of other Iranian officials. For what are you giving your enemy such a gift?



Listen I’m not sure if you have ever done a business deal or hell sold something to someone. But if they tell you I will give $100 today and then the rest in a month or two. Guess what you will NEVER see the rest. It’s just a formality.

So the first 60 days Iran can act like a boss. But once the middle lane opens up then Iran is really just a mall cop with no powers.

And when Iran tries to secure a permanent deal then, Trump will play hardball and Iran will have to choose with closing the strait and going under an economic blockade or meekly trying to get some face saving concessions and giving up the strait.

This is Iran’s fault. They are the ones who made their red line the FULL control of the strait of Hormuz. And now once again they will let that redline be violated like the rest of the redlines they have set the past 30 years.
Arguing about this deal, any deal is a waste of breath. Because no deal will be honored. Iran can not be allowed to exist as an independent nation with any power. They will chip away until they get what they want. Two steps forward, one step back. Reload and repeat. With the this leadership in Iran they are on track.
 
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Qalibaf bends on Trump's demand and Trump humiliates him every chance. This agreement will inflict damage on Iran that dwarfs the Islamabad MoU. Watching this slow motion trainwreck is agonizing.
40+ years of non-stop humiliation, sanctions, sectarianism, widespread deaths, suffering and poverty for it to all come down to this stupid showdown. Iranian history in the 20th-21st century has just been plain pathetic and weird.
 
idk man, all the sunnis i know of admire Iran but indeed it is also true that all the Sunni nations are ruled by western puppets.
We are waiting for the day that Noble Sunnis overthrow their Zionist royalties and stop being Vassels for the Greater Israel Project. I know that they have terrible Secret police that butcher any opposition but we Iranians had to deal with SAVAK and we still overthrew the Pahlavi dictatorship.
 
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We are waiting for the day that Noble Sunnis overthrow their Zionist royalties and stop being Vassels for the Greater Israel Project. I know that they have terrible Secret police that butcher any opposition but we Iranians had to deal with SAVAK and we still overthrew the Pahlavi dictatorship.
What do you mean by 'we'? What goes in in other Sunni majority countries is their business, nor is it our duty to drag ourselves into their problems. Funny how you also mentioned SAVAK when I can name you countless elements within the IR that oppresses people. And trust me that is not a route you want to take.
 
Yes, so you are aiding your enemy. The killer of Solemani and Khamenai Sr. And tens of other Iranian officials. For what are you giving your enemy such a gift?

And the alternative is?
One cannot sit in an open ended conflict. Iran can now do reciprocal sanctions just because it controls the straits. The same companies that didn't do business or do business with Iran, do not get access. Ones who comply against Iran and want in...

I don't think you're thinking it through. This was the very leverage that US used to stifle competition... choke off dollars or dollar denominated transactions was and is essentially to choke energy of those states. Found in abundance in some places and not in others... with GCC complying and leveraging petro dollar... US stopped sale of Iranian oil by blocking the transactions... not the ships inbound through the straits.

This choke essentially ends that monopoly. Besides not allowing US or any allied warships access through the straits...

Of course, it will take time to consolidate and become systemic. What orange needs is a face saver he can sell...

Listen I’m not sure if you have ever done a business deal or hell sold something to someone. But if they tell you I will give $100 today and then the rest in a month or two. Guess what you will NEVER see the rest. It’s just a formality.

So the first 60 days Iran can act like a boss. But once the middle lane opens up then Iran is really just a mall cop with no powers.

And when Iran tries to secure a permanent deal then, Trump will play hardball and Iran will have to choose with closing the strait and going under an economic blockade or meekly trying to get some face saving concessions and giving up the strait.

This is Iran’s fault. They are the ones who made their red line the FULL control of the strait of Hormuz. And now once again they will let that redline be violated like the rest of the redlines they have set the past 30 years.

Iran has 60 days to institutionalize it's hold. There is no way any paper signed or any "truth social" meme going to dictate another burning bulk carrier in the straits. During that time it can arrange the chess board while keeping the eyes on the ball. Orange is teetering on the brink... saving the bond market right now by buying useless Yens!!
Trying to avert an energy crisis and global recession. Running debt like never before with empty coffers... and amongst the highest yields ever... remember last year treasury under Bessent was buying longterm bonds and converting them into short term ones... because they were relatively cheaper... in hopes that once the interest rates drop ... they'd swap them back on to longterm. It has backfired... they've a lot of short term reaching maturity, while longterm are peaking. You don't get it...
Oil markets are manipulated... in hopes that paper will never meet reality. This is not a permanent gamble.... the GCC money is on knifes edge... together with their western investments and now needs at home... they bet the wrong horse... and orange didn't bother with their losses... favoring himself over everyone else. Well, that means they for once are in a spot of bother as well... what to do when they never invested in a backup. Chinese economy is built on global demand... they don't want to burn the house down... they want to take ownership. They're learning on the fly as well... about their prospects.

So, yes... and there is much unsaid... needless to say... it only gets more complicated from here...
 
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And the alternative is?
One cannot sit in an open ended conflict.
Has deterrence been established?
Iran can now do reciprocal sanctions just because it controls the straits.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry. How many times do we have to go through this? When did they honor a deal with Iran? Trump just threated decapitation. He is still demanding the Strait be "opened."

The same companies that didn't do business or do business with Iran, do not get access. Ones who comply against Iran and want in...
With the current political reality in Iran,

شتر در خواب بیند پنبه دانه گهی لپ لپ خورد گه دانه دانه


Iran has 60 days to institutionalize it's hold.
Wasn't that the signed and sealed plan in the Islamabad MoU? Is this deja vu?
Oil markets are manipulated...
I mean, what do you base this on? There is barely any gap between supply and demand at this point. Any risk is factored in the increase in today's price compared to Feb 27. Looks like reasonable valuation to me.
 
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Also keep in mind Trump will wait till after midterms then say if Iran tries to close the SoH or charge tolls he will bomb them again. Iran will have little leverage. In 3-4 months, US will produce ~400-500 PAC-3’s and reload their defenses ready for another pathetic skirmish by Iran.

There is something about what you’re saying that doesn’t add up. It was Trump who pushed for that agreement, not the other way around.

Furthermore, I don’t agree that using the central or northern corridor is a bad idea. That would be tantamount to admitting that Iran would have maritime traffic within artillery range.

Finally, pending publication of the text, it appears to be an agreement concerning only Hormuz. This implies that during those hypothetical three or four months, Iran will have a free hand not only to rearm with missiles but also to enrich more uranium and advance its military nuclear program.
 
Has deterrence been established?
Who wants to have the straits opened by giving Iran ownership?
Of course Iran can keep the choke on... or, perhaps they want to have their oil sailing to China again as well.
The fight past the straits is not one Iran can sway... not now.

So the deterrence you're talking about doesn't exist. However, one that stops any attack on Iran needs Iran to finally go nuclear. The MAD has to be established to deter that...
And nothing less.

for everything else control of the Straits is enough.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry. How many times do we have to go through this? When did they honor a deal with Iran last? Trump just threated decapitation. He is still demanding the Strait be "opened."
Don't go by him...
But consolidate on gains... for that you have to know that the control of Hormuz is a material change from what existed before.
Of course, orange clown would want to claw back to status quo ante... but that isn't Iran's job to stop him from saying or doing what he does!
You cannot trust him... but you cannot surrender on what you hold now either... that is difference between physical and abstract.

With the current political reality in Iran,

شتر در خواب بیند پنبه دانه گهی لپ لپ خورد گه دانه دانه



Wasn't that the plan in Islamabad MoU? Trump signed it and all? Is this dejavu?
As long as Iran will keep standing up for is it's...
A piece of paper is meaningless against reality on the ground. The reality will follow around to it...

Some on these pages wanted MoU understood at length. Well, something got defind, right?

Again, never trust the one who means you harm... but wants to keep own prospects in order as well. Orange didn't attack Iran for nukes... that is what he said or says publicly... what they wanted or want is the collapse of the state itself... for the benefit of zion... which is why the smug Mileikowsky had his best meeting yet with orange. With Iran staying intact... it can go nuclear.... i don't think there is a choice now.

I mean, what do you base this on? Crude oil supply volume is barely reduced at all at this point. Any risk is factored in the increase in today's price compared to Feb 27. Looks like reasonable valuation to me.

Why are the reserves dropping? While European and US are still dropping. Japan has recovered some... Chinese dropped their purchase... of course the disruption has been managed and not widespread to cause immediate pain at the pumps of energy shortages... and that is the purpose os having reserves... but paper prospects can be managed outside of coming risk... in hopes of resumption of sale again. The chokes on global shipping don't only hold energy supplies... they impact upstream as well. For now the markets are liquid enough... and that is a gamble itself... which is why orange tweets and banks on messaging. It sells...
Thus far... much of these concerns are indirect to US itself... which is why orange could gamble with European, or east Asian energy supplies... make Europe buy more of the US instead as Condy Rice once said... but that is not Iran's concern... which is to remove a hostile power from across the globe to move away from it's shores and borders. The region around it is itself energy deficient. Iran has to pursue it's own markets outside of manipulation from across the globe. The prospects of people in the region depend on it.
 
If Ukraine can’t restock air defense interceptors because the US depleted those stocks on Iran the US could end up losing two wars for the price of one.
 
If Ukraine can’t restock air defense interceptors because the US depleted those stocks on Iran the US could end up losing two wars for the price of one.
Moreover, Spain bought 4 Patriots batteries (I would prefer Aster, but Government bought Patriot). None of them have been delivered and delays will increase sine die.

But must be frank at this point. 400 or 1000 Pac3 missiles won't change much. Irán has developed techniques to supress the batteries with Kheybar shekan and Fattah 1 missiles. So even if US will use this time to produce more interceptors the equation won't change in a meaningful way.
 
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Lol. Inventory count of weapon systems are one of the most classified info in US military and Hegseth already denied this report and using CNN as a source that has been caught in many lies......
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Actually tending to agree with this perspective nowadays.

Media reports regarding civilisation ending bombing runs and negotiations being close to completion are summarily treated as market manipulation and nothing more. Why on earth would we treat press releases about supposedly depleted inventories any differently?

US is most probably well stocked. Iran needs to find different levers to pull to gain a genuine strategic edge.
 

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