Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[krash]

You're the one who thinks being on CNN, BBC and Al-Jazeera matters because you lack real reasons for being proud of your country.

Yup, that and the fact that we have everything that Iranians wish they had today in this conflict. Of course, by that I only mean a forum of your own to discuss your war and cope with your insecurities. Mentioning everything else would be a low blow at this moment, and jeopardize our next 15 min of fame through Iran.

Iran is isolated because of the wrong policies by the Islamic Republic, but at least the Iranians know how to be proud of Iran without resorting to such political meetings for national pride.

Iran is isolated because of itself? Well, that fixes it.

Must've been an especially proud moment when lowly Pakistanis had to protect your delegation in your own air space after that meeting.

A normal country does not celebrate a meeting like that as if it were some sort of historic event, particularly a meeting of such low importance that wouldn't even be mentioned 2 years later, let alone 20 years later.

Totally embarrassing. We were just thrown off by your leaders calling it 'historic'. Of course, now that it's blown up in your face, it's not historic. It was nothing actually, Iranians never really cared for it anyway.....

Pezeshkian calls US MOU ‘historic document'​

I can assure you 100% that the number of Iranians that have ever waved a Pakistani flag is not even one tenth of Pakistanis that have waved our flag. Maybe not even 1%

Well consider myself assured. Them Pakistanis waving Iranian flags to show support in your time of hardship......pfft....pathetic. Iranians though, proudly magnanimous while waving Pakistani flags in thanks.

It does actually. I am not responsible for your comprehension issues. Saudi Arabia has actively allowed the USAF to use their air space for launching attacks on Iran, lobbing missiles at us, and yet Saudi Arabia has never declared war on Iran. That does fit the definition. And the US has fired HIMARS from Kuwaiti territory on Iran.

I thought your problem was that you didn't know the definition. I didn't know even if I gave you the definition from a dictionary, you still wouldn't be able to get it

Ah, repeated empty statements of having already won the argument followed by strawman and strained attempts at wit...never fails. Helps you get through it too.

Open war as defined by Thesaurus:A state of armed conflict between states, irrespective of a declaration of war. - Shapurll

What arms have the Saudis and Kuwaitis used against you in this conflict? - Krash

 

[HAIDER]

Pakistan and Turkey right now:

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Pak-Turkey has to protect the interest of who .......Major gas and petrochemical processing facilities in Jubail, Saudi Arabia, are primarily owned by the state-owned oil giant Saudi Aramco, often in joint ventures with major U.S. companies like The Dow Chemical Company (Sadara) and Chevron Phillips Chemical, rather than being wholly owned by a U.S. entity.

 

[RzA]

Won't be long until Qatar and Egypt join the pact. They won't lift a finger against Israel, that's for sure. We'll see how things shape up overtime but there are indications that this security pact will be aimed at the resistance inevitably. Things could get real ugly soon.

 

[RzA]

 

[RzA]

 

[BananaRepublic]

Remember when Putin continued his disastrous foreign policy and sold S-400 to Turkey and said he would sell SU-35 and SU-57 if Turkey requested it?

Meanwhile Turkey supplied TB-2 in the early days of war that killed hundreds of Russian soldiers before Russia properly set up air defenses?

Now Turkey once again is aiding Ukraine.

Meanwhile Russia has refused for years to provide Iran high ticket weapon systems. What does one call this level of incompetence in foreign policy? Why is Putin still allowed to lead Russia?

Putin is extremely reliant on Zionist oligarchs.

Putin’s money is also tied up with Jewish money men.

For that reason Iran is red line for him.

Russia is a geopolitical pigmy because they succumbed to the Zionists.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Yes, I know that the overwhelming majority of Pakistanis are pretty friendly and warm people who do not hate Iran or Iranians, but that small minority is sometimes pretty loud and maybe even influential.

Not just Pakistan. We have the same Saudi funded retards in Bangladesh as well.

They have influence over the brainwashed low IQ Madrasa educated bigots.

But are despised by ordinary people.

Ordinary Muslims are 100% with Iran.

 

[mangekyo]

You can't deploy the new systems extensively in between the war when your production halls are bombed out .

Hundreds of Missiles are knocked out of sky, total Naval and air dominance .Even Kuwait and Bahrain haven't been subdued (They are still firing Himars & Atacms from their territory) simply because Ballistic Missiles are getting intercepted at a rate unsustainable for Iran due to technology the US is able to field.

Moreover, Evacuation is not a right term .US has repositioned its assets making the targeting difficult for Iran while US can enjoy with its strike compaign unchallenged.

If that was true, we wouldn’t have such a long pause and the Saudis wouldn’t beg for another defence alliance to protect them better than the Americans.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Who is this retard on Twitter?

Iran war is not surviving beyond Trump.

Iran’s Nixon to China moment is coming.

The first candidate to say they’ll stop funding Israel and stop the Iran war - will win the White House.

 

[mangekyo]

The Makkah Agreement is doing what I think is in Iran's strategic national interests, and it amazes me that Iranians here don't understand this or is it because I don't understand Iran's true objectives?? This framework, will allow for the pushing out of the USA from the region with an alternate security framework to ensure the stability of the middle east. A security framework that is not hostile to Iran, and one day Iran could also join.

If Iran's intention is to lord over the middle east with its own hegemony to replace the American hegemony, then yes this constrains Iran's ability to achieve that ability. If Iran's intention and desire is to have the Americans leave the middle east entirely, then this Makkah Agreement will help achieve that, and that is in Iran's national interest and Iran should support that goal.

So, what is Iran upset about? Is it that the Americans are leaving, or that they cannot replace American role in the middle east ?????????

Irans interest is to kick Zionism out of the region, not just «The US» replacing US with Israel junior is not exactly Iran’s objective..

 

[Master Chief]

I agree, let's think logically about it.

When Pakistan signed the initial pact, Iran and Saudi Arabia were not directly involved in war against each other, right? So, there was no reason for the initial pact to impact Iran in any reasonable way. But now that Iran and Saudi Arabia are involved in hostilities, what do you think a second pact implies?


Because they see this as an opportunity to destroy Iran while Iran is at its weakest fighting the US and Israel. And why do we assume that's true? Well, MBS has literally threatened Iran with destruction when he came to power in 2018, and even before that, a decade before him, the Saudis constantly pressured Obama to "cut the head of the snake". MBS literally created propaganda videos about attacking Iran and publicly said that they would bring war to Tehran.

The war is over, certainly in terms of its hot phase. If any pact was intended to hurt Iran, it would have been inked AND acted on months ago.

It actually loathes me to say it's over because I really wanted Iran to obliterate US-Israeli hegemony. I don't wish to see zios and neo-pahlavists bring their vile ideologies to your country (which is also our western flank).

Tehran performed admirably in certain phases but you have never once enjoyed the air superiority required to enforce your will, defend yourselves, move assets around even your own country to where they are needed, or even to capture a stricken enemy airman lying semi-conscious on some rocky outcrop. You have little to no ability to harm enemy naval vessels and have limited ability to impact defenceless merchant vessels. US is also not falling into the trap of sending in battalions of infantry to be ground into pulp by your drones - credit where it's due, they're smart enough to avoid a disaster. Meanwhile, your leadership is picked off almost on a whim by the dreaded decapitation attacks.

Beyond these local difficulties , more has occurred over the last 3 years that has clipped the wings of Tehran's rise - Hezbollah cannot be helped by Tehran because of Jolani playing a high block and Hamas are literally no more.

Did MBS actually achieve any of that all by himself from his little palace in the desert?

I may well be wrong but I would like to think Iran can still walk away with some marginal win by extracting a SoH toll and that Iran then takes its time and rebuilds, quietly, and avoids some of the mistakes made in terms of "realpolitik" (a term many here seem to like!) such as the overreach described above.

I find MBS's rhetoric vile and reprehensible but rhetoric alone really doesn't bring any actual harm to Iran.

 

[Flotilla]

Saudi Arabia can’t handle Houthis alone there has been a lot of hype that the Saudi military is the primer military of the Middle East a rag tag group like the Houthis should be no problem they need a many countries to protect their land,sea and air from attack I guess Saudi Arabia is no better capabilities than Kuwait Bahrain Qatar UAE or Jordan if they need multiple countries to protect their territory from big bad Houthis…..I just had to seriously night

Good grief, what a historic farce! Reading news like this, one understands the Saudi interest in striking deals with just about anyone who comes knocking.

 

[Master Chief]

“belligerent parties”?

That implies Iran is belligerent?

If anyone thinks Iran is belligerent over SoH - they have clearly been brainwashed by Zionist media.

The Arabs facilitated the destruction of Iran - SoH is the means to raise the money for rebuilding.

I don't think you understand the meaning of the word. I never suggested Iran started this conflict, not even once. I have not even suggested Iran was the party that broke the terms of the MoU.

 

[BananaRepublic]

No they didn’t.

US broke it by trying to create a separate corridor.

Interim deal was to only use Iran’s approved route.

And US did not comply with any of its obligations e.g. releasing frozen funds.

 

[Flotilla]

Tehran performed admirably in certain phases but you have never once enjoyed the air superiority required to enforce your will, defend yourselves, move assets around even your own country to where they are needed, or even to capture a stricken enemy airman lying semi-conscious on some rocky outcrop. You have little to no ability to harm enemy naval vessels and have limited ability to impact defenceless merchant vessels. US is also not falling into the trap of sending in battalions of infantry to be ground into pulp by your drones - credit where it's due, they're smart enough to avoid a disaster. Meanwhile, your leadership is picked off almost on a whim by the dreaded decapitation attacks.

While It is completely true that Irán doesn't have even a minimum Air force to keep even any local control, let's be honest. Irán fought admirably well with just one hand and the other tied.

By the way. Irán didn't show all antiship arsenal, few antiship ballistic missiles have been used, and just once did a saturation attack over a Carrier with a criptic "laundry fire" achievements.

But I agree in the rest of your post.
We need Irán. It is the only obstacle to Zionism. Neither Turkey, Pakistán or EU. Nobody has shut Up the mouth to them.

Unfortunately.