Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[PakistanLVR]

I came to the realization that maybe investing in fighter jets is not the way to go for Iran.

The missile barrages did considerable damage to Israel. Let's say if Iran had a strong air force prior to the surprised attack, from what we now know about the massive infiltration of Mossad in Iran, these planes would undoubtedly been targeted just as easily as the AD. If by any chance these planes are able to contribute, how will they fly from Iran across Iraq, Syria, and Jordan to conduct air strikes against Israeli targets? Israel through the US and her Arab allies has access to the air space to reach Iran as shown. Even if the Iranians do get permission, how will you contend with US Air Power that's based across these nations? The ballistic missiles did their jobs and the optic of them coming down fast and hard into Israeli cities were priceless from a PR perspective.

Right now, Iran needs to do the following because there will be another round no doubt:

1. Search and destroy all infiltrated foreign agents i.e. Indians, Afghans, and Persians working for the enemy
2. Outside the box thinking and promote younger officers
3. loosen some of the more stricter Islamic laws and have the whole population buy in to the government. Iranians have unified under the flag and government - IR govt should take advantage of this. This will go a long way to root out the troublemakers as right now they can swim within the large portion of the population and hide well
4. Maybe they have or don't but need to take advantage of the size of Iran and maybe use Eastern Iran for C2 and other vital weaponry.
5. Get AWACs to see further out West to detect enemy planes more efficiently.

I understand Iran's predicament and its easier said than done. I think throwing a bone to Pakistan via throwing the Indians would be a start. With Pakistan, you will get China. Make your point to the Chinese and help them understand if Iran were to fall, what the outcome will be for China. The Indians need to go - all of them. I was banned from the Persian mod when I said giving Indians the visa free policy was going to hurt the Iranians, and the Persian banned me. We Pakistanis know the mentality of these gutter minded Hindus and their behavior. They are incorrigible.
Russia is not a all-weather ally. It has literally dithered since the early 2000s in helping Iran. They refused to sell modern AD and took their time in building the nuclear plans.

 

[Hack-Hook]

How unstable do you think the ground is in Frodo? Or do you believe that despite all the seismic shock from the MOPs it is fine to re-enter?

If it was zagross mountain in south of Iran I'd have said pretty unstable but it's alborz mountain in north I say I doubt that bombing will affect the mountain itself that much.

 

[j_hungary]

While I find the article on diluting interesting. It is still a false equivalence and the argument does not hold. While I do not disagree that dilution is much easier, you have to remember as well that that project was spread across continents, involved inter-governmental agreements, IAEA oversight, shipping logistics, and safe handling over time, not urgency. Iran, by contrast, is likely operating in a tightly controlled, centralized, and high priority military-industrial context, potentially with far fewer procedural slowdowns.

Even if your theory holds true, then the only way U.S. intelligence could claim that Iran's nuclear program was set back by just a few months is either because the assessment is entirely fabricated, or because they have yet to uncover other clandestine facilities where enrichment may still be ongoing. The latter seems more aligned with US intelligence assessments based on Iran having the knowledge, expertise and even , infrastructure at black sites locations.

hence I said, it's too many unknown, I am just raising this example to show you it was never plug and play, this have no indication that Iran is going to need 20 years to get the cake back up and running. As I said I don't know.

 

[Hayabusa]

hence I said, it's too many unknown, I am just raising this example to show you it was never plug and play, this have no indication that Iran is going to need 20 years to get the cake back up and running. As I said I don't know.

Nevertheless, we can both agree that only time will tell.

Thank you for the insightful conversation.

 

[ShapurII]

Let's say if Iran had a strong air force prior to the surprised attack, from what we now know about the massive infiltration of Mossad in Iran, these planes would undoubtedly been targeted just as easily as the AD.

Not really. We have underground air bases. Look up Oghab 44, for example. You can't hide a radar under the ground, but you can keep jet fighters underground.

If by any chance these planes are able to contribute, how will they fly from Iran across Iraq, Syria, and Jordan to conduct air strikes against Israeli targets?

We don't need to fly to Israel. All we needed to do was to intercept Israeli jet fighters over Iraqi air space, preventing them from getting close enough to launch ALBMs/ALCMs deep inside Iranian territory.

 

[Fatman17]

 

[NationalistPKDude132]

these persians have balls of steel if this is true. Straight up slap to the west's face.

 

[tman786]

Trigger warning

 

[HAIDER]

Excellent Urdu-English mix analysis

 

[HAIDER]

Trigger warning

sick SOB.....

 

[ShapurII]

Trigger warning

Then they will cry victim when a new Jewish holocaust starts soon.

 

[Pakistani Dragon]

So why should not Iran do the same and persist in its quest to get such weapons too? That is the point considering that it was advised above to Iran to simply give that up.

Iran should get it and for whatever reason, they're not getting it and even giving Fatwa against it.

So either get it or just totally give up everything remotely linked to the nuclear program, even if its peaceful.

 

[Master Chief]

Trigger warning

Bastard. I wish I could crucify this man myself.

I cannot believe what I just saw.

 

[Hack-Hook]

So far, no one have adequately explain what is Iran's needs for %60 enrichment of U-235. The fact that none came forth only adds suspicion and further support the belief that the US/Israel air strikes were necessary.

That is simple
Its bargaining chip . In jcpoa Iran agreed on a much lower level of enrichment. it was usa that left the deal and began imposing sanction .
In these round of negotiation iran also stated that it's open to the discussion on the level of enrichment and protocol that put in place to make sure the program won't deviate . But not to zero enrichment in Iran.


It was USA that was not interested in an agreement.

Under the current NPT terms, I do not need centrifuges. I can get %5 enrichment for energy from the international community.

Under current not agreement Iran is entitled to 10% of eurodif production . How much Iran get?
Where was that NPT protocol when tehran research reactor were running out of fuel ?who gave us fuel for the reactor. We had to enrich the uranium to 20% ourself and master the fuel production for it to keep the reactor working and avoid a disaster for more than 1 million of Iranian patients whom their only option for survival and treatment was that reactor.


So please stop that nonsense it has zero buyer here.

Aircraft carriers
- Submarines
- Missiles

Currently, only those three items can use %90 enriched U-235. We know Iran do not have aircraft carriers and subs that requires long duration energy sources, aka nuclear reactors. That remains nuclear weapons or item 3. Am sure YOU are logical person.

Not only those you can build a research reactor to use more than 90% enriched uranium . You must be aware of it after all you yourself built one of those reactors for us.

 

[HAIDER]

Iraq arrests commentator over online post on Iran-Israel war​

Iraqi authorities have said they arrested a political commentator over a post alleging that a military radar system struck by a drone had been used to help Israel in its war against Iran, AFP reports.

The court issued a warrant against him for posting content online that included “incitement intended to insult and defame the security institution”.

In a post on X, which was later deleted but has circulated on social media as a screenshot, Ardawi told his more than 90,000 followers that “a French radar in the Taji base served the Israeli aggression” and was eliminated.

The Iraqi defence ministry said that Ardawi’s arrest was made on the instructions of the prime minister, who also serves as the commander-in-chief of the armed forces, “not to show leniency towards anyone who endangers the security and stability of the country”.

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