Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[samejjangir]

Two gas-turbines have already been exported, confirmed by Russian newspapers. You can ask Russian members on here if you wish. This discussion is also over.

These are not the turbofan engines used in planes but pipeline turbines and are vastly different.

Why did you purchase French Rafales when you could invest in Tejas instead? Why isn't the backbone of your air force Indian? Why didn't you use Tejas in Operation Sindoor?
I mean no offense to India, but India doesn't really have a golden history of winning wars. And your Operation Sindoor was a defeat for you.

India manufactures Su30 completely in house. But India has its own strategic needs to buy foreign jets for various reasons. Naturally, being a new jet, India would have liked to test Rafale's capabilities and fielded it in the frontlines. Tejas & Su30 have too many Indian technology which can be leaked if it falls in enemy territory. This is another concern for not using then in frontlines but only from a distance. India hasn't lost any wars. So, I don't understand your point of not winning any

So, you think Arabs control the Chinese economy more than the US? China's export to Saudi Arabia is about $50 billion dollars. One-tenth of the volume of China's exports to the US. You're downplaying the amount of influence the US has over world economy through the US dollar, financial institutions, banking, UN, etc. If you knew anything about the amount of influence the US has over the world's economy, you would've never made such a ridiculous statement that Arabs have more influence over China than the US.

The numbers don't tell everything. If Arab oil flows stop, other industries will also stop. So, it is the criticality of oil supply rather than the dollar figures. Also, the Arab oil is not really priced at $70 but there are indirect agreements to share some surplus trade wealth to Arabs so that they get more than $70 for oil but doesn't put direct price burden on manufacturers & involves risk sharing. Similarly, USA is likely required to print some dollars and hand it to offshore accounts of Arabs as part of petrodollars. Due to secrecy, none of the details will be given out.

In short, yes, Arabs have greater control on on Chinese economy due to the actual value of oil being $200+ per barrel in terms of its utility. This is also how Saudis & GCC states maintain trillions in PIF after doling out investments, remittance etc to dozens of countries like India, Egypt, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Africa etc despite surplus balance of payments not accounting to that much.

 

[Olympus81]

Sincerely hope Iran Pakistan gas pipeline comes to fruition.

That will help both countries.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Well if china did decide to go ahead with it if they are even discussing it but they need dozens upon dozens of planes of all types air defenses as well even if china is selling at below cost to American weapons it’s going to take 10s of billions of dollars over the next several years

If China is prepared to take payments in oil, then quite doable. China has an opportunity to pull Iran into its orbit and secure its south western borders alot with Iran on side.

China/Iran recently made operational a trainline for delivering oil :

HISTORIC! First Freight Train From China Wheels Into Iran, Flying In The Face Of American Sanctions

In what could only be termed as a geopolitical coup, the first freight train from China rolled into Iran this week. Flying in the face of the US sanctions aimed at crippling Tehran’s oil trade and isolating Beijing, the rail line will not only boost trade between the two countries, but would...

www.eurasiantimes.com

 

[Cash gk]

I don't know. It's hard to count on foreigners to operate your air force for you.
A foreigner feels no patriotism or moral obligation to defend your country when shit hits the fan.
Do you think a foreign soldier would risk his life to fight for Iran against the Israeli Air Force? When the odds are against him.

Pakistanis fighter pilots are always ready to help their brothers. Look in turkey

 

[Cash gk]

Well if china did decide to go ahead with it if they are even discussing it but they need dozens upon dozens of planes of all types air defenses as well even if china is selling at below cost to American weapons it’s going to take 10s of billions of dollars over the next several years

Who is that guy?

 

[mulj]

I don't know. It's hard to count on foreigners to operate your air force for you.
A foreigner feels no patriotism or moral obligation to defend your country when shit hits the fan.
Do you think a foreign soldier would risk his life to fight for Iran against the Israeli Air Force? When the odds are against him.

Against israel airfforce especially you can count that pakistani pilots would rush in if given chance and under suitable inteligence conditions.

 

[German Angst]

Serves the Ummah chummah members right

Ummah only exists in Pakistan

 

[PakFactor]

It took china 30 years to built a "modern" air force from their first purchase of Russian SU-27's. PAF already had decades of US training and tactics including fighters so Pakistan can buy fighters from non-western nations and won't take them long to integrate and are more than good enough to take on India's air force. PAF does more with less because of their western centric training and tactics.

Problem for Iran is even if they decided to only focus on having a modern-ish air force for past two decades and Russia happily sold them flankers it doesn't guarantee its air force can survive against IAF. You can see how competent the Russian air force is in Ukraine a nation with no air force.

I do not believe that, in the long run, J-10CEs or JF-17s will survive with the advent of stealth fighters. Even for the Pakistan Air Force, I think the J-10CE was a stopgap until we acquire a 5th-generation platform. The same will be true for Iran; they should see if China would be willing to offer them the J-35.

More importantly, before anything is done, the Iranians need to clean their foreign policy. I also do not feel that even if the Iranians go for the first two mentioned platforms, they would be willing to export while their relations with India are maintained, and with the infiltration that has taken place.

 

[sutton9999]

How about

Iran gives up enrichment (handover to Russia)
Israel withdrew from Gaza ( unarmed GAZA policed by Arab states)
Iran keeps BM program ( dirty bomb BM farm as last resort deterrence)
West lifts sanctions

 

[PakFactor]

Against israel airfforce especially you can count that pakistani pilots would rush in if given chance and under suitable inteligence conditions.

In agreement, we did it once before, I believe, in the Arab-Israeli 1965 war. Now, it will be even more crucial to see how the Israelis work and deploy their platforms.

 

[nang2]

How about

Iran gives up enrichment (handover to Russia)
Israel withdrew from Gaza ( unarmed GAZA policed by Arab states)
Iran keeps BM program ( dirty bomb BM farm as last resort deterrence)
West lifts sanctions

Not going to happen. Iran will give up enrichment. The sanctions will continue and so will Israeli occupation of Gaza.

 

[Liquidator]

Serves the Ummah chummah members right View attachment 131648

Ummah only exists in Pakistan

Ummah is a direct commandment.
You should fear your emaan for publicly advocating against it.
If you are smart, you will stop now.

 

[vmro]

How about

Iran gives up enrichment (handover to Russia)
Israel withdrew from Gaza ( unarmed GAZA policed by Arab states)
Iran keeps BM program ( dirty bomb BM farm as last resort deterrence)
West lifts sanctions

This is good for Iran because it is not damaging to actual state on the field...just my speculation, but somehow I have growing suspicious of the kgb role in process of compromising and sabotage of Iranian sensitive assets, spiritual leaded together with the other Russian speaking state... ballistic program is with Koreans, so out of their reach...

Just my opinion

 

[PakFactor]

The numbers don't tell everything. If Arab oil flows stop, other industries will also stop. So, it is the criticality of oil supply rather than the dollar figures. Also, the Arab oil is not really priced at $70 but there are indirect agreements to share some surplus trade wealth to Arabs so that they get more than $70 for oil but doesn't put direct price burden on manufacturers & involves risk sharing. Similarly, USA is likely required to print some dollars and hand it to offshore accounts of Arabs as part of petrodollars. Due to secrecy, none of the details will be given out.

In short, yes, Arabs have greater control on on Chinese economy due to the actual value of oil being $200+ per barrel in terms of its utility. This is also how Saudis & GCC states maintain trillions in PIF after doling out investments, remittance etc to dozens of countries like India, Egypt, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Africa etc despite surplus balance of payments not accounting to that much.

Not the right thread for this, but it's a two-way street, the Arab's can't alienate the Chinese either. Over the last decade, China has been diversifying its oil purchases from Brazil, Russia, Africa, and other countries that the West has sanctioned. While the volume of oil from the GCC has risen, its total relative share has remained flat or declined. The GCC peaked around 2010 at 40% imports and has now fallen to 30%. This is in part due to Russian oil, and soon we will see new facilities from Central Asian nations.

But we should also not forget to factor in the renewable and EV investments the Chinese are making.

Remember, the adage in business is that the customer does not need us; we need the customer. China's size and diversified economy offer long-term economic stability and volume, as well as leverage through investment in downstream projects; it serves as the anchor client in the relationship.

 

[KingQamaR]

I don't know. It's hard to count on foreigners to operate your air force for you.
A foreigner feels no patriotism or moral obligation to defend your country when shit hits the fan.
Do you think a foreign soldier would risk his life to fight for Iran against the Israeli Air Force? When the odds are against him.

Ukraine has got thousands of foreign contractors working in Ukraine operating their systems while they train up their own peoples during a brutal war . It’s working for them I don’t see why not for you, you’re not even at war.