Iran Plans to Buy Chinese J-10C Instead of Russian Su-35

[Reichmarshal]

Oh bhai please.......everybody knows the reality here no?

High school level comment? Are you kidding? China would need US permission to transfer anything to Iran. Is that clear? or do we hold your hand?

Evidently, they're far ahead of you militarily no? (the Iranians).......

Unbelievable you had the guts to type up that comment?

nah ker lull.....tum yaar Pakistani defence forum say damag ke lasi bana rahay ho.

when i say they missed the bus as far as their AF goes then you of all the ppl should know better, that of all the three arms of a country's armed forces AF is the hardest, financially demanding and the most time-consuming.
So isreal is all set to attack iran in a matter of months n this time with the u.s. how the fu@#k iran intends to induct new ac and make them operational in a matter of months.
for starters they need quality ac right now at the very least 4.5 gen. so the ac need to come out of the stock of PLAAF. which i dont see happening.
them if AVIC by some superhuman miracle delivers the ac in say 6 months ( which in my analysis would be too late for iran). Then Iran needs to grapple with pilot training, which for a AF coming from legacy 3rd gen ac tp 4.6 gen ac will be impossible to achieve in months. this in addition to developing training manuals, service manuals, tactics, pilots/air crews familiarization with the ac etc.

this in addition to developing a whole eco sys, like the radars, awacs, sam sys etc as 40 ac alone would just be shot out of the sky on the first day without support

All the above takes time lull bhai, something iran does not have.

As for ur second part, the american tankers were refueling the isreali war plane in iranian airspace during the whole time. hope u get the ans.

ps the above steps to follow if u want to build a quality AF which would be able to go toe to toe with the best...now that takes time....baki if u want to build an AF in which pilots only know how to land n take off the u can certainly do that in a matter of months.

one example i repeat again n again ie SSG was to be expanded from a brigade strength to a Division plus strength. it took them more than a decade to go from 4 battalions to 9 battalions. Even then, the 9th was a company or 2 short.
This happens when u dont want to compromise on quality.....if PA just wanted to increase strength, then it could have done that in days....but quality takes time

 

[Lulldapull]

I made this point on another thread, currently Iran is a revolutionary state with the mandate to export the Revolution?

Am I wrong?

In effect Pakistan potentially might be a target

Then on Indian double spies, I'm not sure what is exactly confirmed but it cannot be surprising and in fact why on earth is Iran taking the risk?

Ignorance is not an excuse


Lull/doc will simply just reply with how bad Pakistan did and how great Iran has done, and something about Iranian shopping malls

but Iran fought both the US and Israel off no? incurring substantial damage.......sure......but they don't rely on nobody.

You saw this?

Didn't you?

Could we have pulled this off? had we been subjected to a similar level assault?

We saw what happened when the Indians performed a very similar attack on us no? just the last month?

Lets not kid ourselves here man? We were literally done in..... in just a few hours, if that!

Munira needs to be fired along with all the Pak army leadership.

Our defense is a joke and dependent upon US intervention, just like Israel's no?

 

[r3alist]

but Iran fought both the US and Israel off no? incurring substantial damage.......sure......but they don't rely on nobody.

You saw this?

Didn't you?

Could we have pulled this off? had we been subjected to a similar level assault?

We saw what happened when the fukking Indians performed a very similar attack on us no? just the last month?

Lets not kid ourselves here man? We were literally done in in a few hours, if that!

Munira needs to be fired along with all the Pak army leadership.

Our defense is a joke and dependent upon US intervention, just like Israelis no?

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Why would Pakistan need to pull it off?
Pakistan is not a revolutionary state committed to wild rhetoric. Israel militarily is a small state, India is much much bigger

That being said, please explain if Iran were that good how come their defense took an apparent big blow on day one?


Iran did not take on the US any point, they were infact very careful to avoid the USA, which is sensible , you are being weirdly silly

Do you think iran's nuclear program took no damage

How exactly were Pakistan done in a few hours? Indian jets were terrified to even take off, but Pakistan was done? If the USA is a lever for de-escalation, what's the big deal?

 

[MH.Yang]

This was to be expected as soon as the sanctions were relieved or this purchase permitted.

China did a $400 billion dollar investment agreement with Iran that was frozen for a few years. It will now go active as we know Trump will soften or lift sanctions. In that contract, Iran would buy Chinese weapons also and China will invest in Iran's vast oil (SHALE oil) resources for its market. So good business for both sides coming.

The freeze on the $400 billion 25-year deal was not due to U.S. sanctions; Chinese SOEs have never cared about U.S. sanctions, and the Chinese government surely took U.S. sanctions into account when it signed the deal. The real reason is Iran's failure to honor the prerequisite terms of the 25-year deal.

First of all, the prerequisite for China to provide armaments was for the Iranian military to completely abandon GPS in favor of China's Beidou, but Iran has not done so. Secondly the prerequisite for the $400 billion investment was ports and oil traded in CNY, but Iran gave the ports to India and only part of the oil trade was switched to CNY.

the Iranian government is in chaos internally, and there are very large forces that are preventing cooperation with China. It is difficult for China and Iran to cooperate until Iran cleans up the internal surrenderists and Mossad.

 

[Lulldapull]

@Lulldapull also sir, this might just be an opening salvo, and therefore there is much more potentially to the battle, so better not too presume a Victor

It feels like the battle is set so one regime stays or the other, binary

Man who called Iran victor?........I don't believe anybody here ever did.

All I said is it took the harami russians a decade to supply the Iranis with watered down/ degraded S-300's, only after Obama told Imam Putin to do so?......and they didn't perform anyway.......Likewise, for the luv of god........China wouldn't sell a bullet to Iran unless Trump officially blesses it.......

Is this being anti-Pakistani?

 

[Developereo]

When have I ever insulted Pakistan?

I don't want to take the thread off topic and don't have time to go through your entire post history, but just a couple of recent examples that promote the Indian narrative that Pakistan's weapons were outclassed by India's and Pakistan lost the war last month.

Why?.......you know the facts no? What can you do? substandard C-grade munitions and Temu toys you believe are weapons?

Didn't you see what happened last month? to us?

And your other rubbish is talking up Chinese weaponry here. When we were holding it all up and got insulted. Just the last month.

 

[MH.Yang]

Man who called Iran victor?........I don't believe anybody here ever did.

All I said is it took the harami russians a decade to supply the Iranis with watered down/ degraded S-300's, only after Obama told Imam Putin to do so?......and they didn't perform anyway.......Likewise, for the luv of god........China wouldn't sell a bullet to Iran unless Trump officially blesses it.......

Is this being anti-Pakistani?

China is still supplying weapons to North Korea, Sudan, Cuba, etc. without US permission.

The root of the problem is not the United States at all, but the Iranian government!

If China really cared about US sanctions, the Chinese government wouldn't have signed the deal in the first place. China even cut off the supply of rare earths to the US for military use, what does it care about its sanctions?

 

[That_Guy]

Su-35s were supposed to be delivered by Russia by early 2023, but that didn't happen.
Where else can Iran get modern jets that it needs so urgently.

Me.

I call this model, the Totally not an F-16, or TNAF-16 for short.

Only $12 million dollars!

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Evidently, they're far ahead of you militarily no? (the Iranians).......

Iran has decent ballistic missile capability, but its no match for Pakistan, a nuclear state with region's one of best airforces, Pakistan too has Ballisitic Missiles but Pakistan do not rely entirely on ballistic missiles. You need serious military build up in every domain from fighter jets to AWACs to EW warfare to submarines to modern warships to CMs and BMs. Iran only focused on BMs because Iran is under sanctions for decades. Iran didn't had much choice. Iran relied on whatever they could with in-house resources. They tried to make copies of F-5s and also tried to make new planes but ofcourse their technology is many decades old. Iran had one of best airforces of the region during Shah's time when it had latest fighter jets. Iran survived and repelled Saddam's invasion attempts with massive help from its airforce. Iranian tomcats massacred iraqi fighter jets because of better systems / missiles.

Today, Iranian airspace is completely open for attack. Any country can go and fly over Tehran and drop bombs. Only ballistic missiles cannot make you strong. I supported Iran 100 % in their war, I appreciated their attacks on Zionists but whole world knows Iran's weakness is no protection against enemy airforce. This is MASSIVE weakness. No matter whatever kind of missile defense Iran buys, it can never replace an airforce. Just imagine, if Iran would have had a capable airforce that would have shot down even 3 or 4 F-16s or F-15s right in first days of war. Then Israel could have not attacked so openly, easily and persistently. Israeli aircrafts were coming without any air to air missiles, they only used to come with ground attack weapons.

As a well wisher of Iran and knowingly that Israel - Iran war will erupt again in future, I wish Iran could have means to procure a small but modern and balanced airforce. 2-3 AWACS, 40 J-10Cs, 20 J-35s all spaced out in multiple bases towards eastern Iran. The depth of Iran allows Iran to have airbases that can be out of range of Israeli jets + SOWs. This much fleet is more than enough to put up a serious challenge against enemy fighters who use to come with full freedom and no challenge as if Iranian airspace is theirs.

But question is if China is willing to sell all this gear to Iran or not. Selling modern jets to Iran may raise concerns in other middleeast countries too incl KSA. China has business interests with rich middleeastern countries. So all is not that simple.

 

[Lulldapull]

nah ker lull.....tum yaar Pakistani defence forum say damag ke lasi bana rahay ho.

when i say they missed the bus as far as their AF goes then you of all the ppl should know better, that of all the three arms of a country's armed forces AF is the hardest, financially demanding and the most time-consuming.
So isreal is all set to attack iran in a matter of months n this time with the u.s. how the fu@#k iran intends to induct new ac and make them operational in a matter of months.
for starters they need quality ac right now at the very least 4.5 gen. so the ac need to come out of the stock of PLAAF. which i dont see happening.
them if AVIC by some superhuman miracle delivers the ac in say 6 months ( which in my analysis would be too late for iran). Then Iran needs to grapple with pilot training, which for a AF coming from legacy 3rd gen ac tp 4.6 gen ac will be impossible to achieve in months. this in addition to developing training manuals, service manuals, tactics, pilots/air crews familiarization with the ac etc.

this in addition to developing a whole eco sys, like the radars, awacs, sam sys etc as 40 ac alone would just be shot out of the sky on the first day without support

All the above takes time lull bhai, something iran does not have.

As for ur second part, the american tankers were refueling the isreali war plane in iranian airspace during the whole time. hope u get the ans.

ps the above steps to follow if u want to build a quality AF which would be able to go toe to toe with the best...now that takes time....baki if u want to build an AF in which pilots only know how to land n take off the u can certainly do that in a matter of months.

one example i repeat again n again ie SSG was to be expanded from a brigade strength to a Division plus strength. it took them more than a decade to go from 4 battalions to 9 battalions. Even then, the 9th was a company or 2 short.
This happens when u dont want to compromise on quality.....if PA just wanted to increase strength, then it could have done that in days....but quality takes time

Bro........listen to me........

Unless Sindhoor is avenged like how these pagal Irani avenged their own sindhoor.......tussi bhool jao looking for justice......for us......don't fool yourself.

Our deterrent lies in tatters!

This unacceptable bro.......

 

[tower9]

You need Trump's permission to supply even a single bullet to Iran.

Have a long hard think about that buddy. Its the same drama with Putin.

If you don't trust me, you can ask the following Iranians if I'm bullshitting or not. So far you are only allowed oil trade no?

@shapurzolaktaf @Hack-Hook @Persian Gulf @mangekyo @ShapurII @Mehdipersian @vsdoc @Tijani @Kyussis

Are you talking about China?

What are you even going on about? Living in a typical Hindutva delusion.

China buys 90% of Iran's oils despite sanctions. China has built a railroad to Iran despite sanctions. China signed a $400 billion trade and investment deal with Iran four years ago despite sanctions.

You're literally just making up fairytales and spinning them as facts, typical Hindutva.

 

[ety]

If you can enlighten us on what exactly military arms China has transferred to Iran, we are happy to stand corrected.

Why should China had ? it needs the agreement of both sides for the transactions to happen.

 

[muhammed45]

Russian era of aerial supremacy is already over. Its a fact. China at least in the electronic sector is ahead of Russians. Heck even Russia buys electronic parts for its jets from China.

There is no doubt Chinese companies will leave Russian Sukhoi behind in every area.

Once China was importer of Soviet technology, nowadays, they have their own versions. Deserves respect

Problem with J-10 is that it doesn't have the required duration. It cannot remain in sky for a long period and needs to refuel. An other problem is that it cannot do much against a combination of F-35 and F-22 assisted by AWACS.

We have to go for Chinese J-31 or the naval version J-35. If Chinese government restricts foreign export of these items then we have no choice but to pursue a local project. Even if eventually, it becomes inferior to Chinese ones, good point would be that it can be manufactured at will. It can be upgraded whenever deemed necessary.

Plus, Iranian defense minister's visit to China was due to SCO meeting. There maybe negotiations held about defense cooperation but no one knows about it. Its just an scheduled meeting of SCO and the defense ministers. Rest is rumor

 

[Beijingwalker]

If you can enlighten us on what exactly military arms China has transferred to Iran, we are happy to stand corrected.

It depends on Iran, not China. US doesn't allow anyone to buy Iran oil but China buys every last drop of it, this is how much China listens to US.

 

[Beijingwalker]

I just asked the question.......easy buddy.......let Beijing walker answer.......we're waiting......

You sound like China desperately tries to sell weapons to Iran, it's Iran who needs modern weapons so badly now, not China, China is never in a hurry, many terms must be met before Iran can get its hands on top Chinese military gears.