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40-60 Bavar 373 LR battalions with Sayyad 4B should be enough to cover all Iranian territory, 5-10 S-400 battalions would also be great to mix the systems like China does

Bavar 373 is likely still a while away from mass production with leadership likely waiting for second generation. We are finally seeing first prototype deployment (Tehran). I wouldn’t expect Iran to hit 40+ battalions anytime soon. It is also an expensive system, regardless of cost advantages Iran has a country over others. Even the US with its unlimited budget cannot produce as much Patriot and THAAD as it wants. The costs with these systems is very high.

I agree another foreign order is needed to supplement. I would skip S-400 and go to S-500 as S-400 doesn’t add much additional value where as S-500 has prototype Hypersonic interception capabilities.
 
Come on.

This works if BVR is extremely short distances say less than 25 KM following a relatively simple trajectory (as your example shows).

At distances of 100KM+ the pilot has 180 degrees of open space in front of him and the equivalent in latitude to use to lose the BVR. No BVR in the world or onboard computer can simulate an interception point based on that many variables.

In case of Iranian SU-35S pilot can dive downward into mountain valleys or get lost among ground noise. He only needs to lose lock for a very short term time for the A2A missile to go off by a large distance as it travels at 1.3KM/S

It’s even harder than a ground based interceptor trying to calculate an interception point on an HGV. Same concept of a ballistic trajectory (simple) going to a more random altering trajectory.


Also let’s be real, in case of 5th/6th gen air warefare you are not maintaining a lock on .01m2 or .001m2 object at 100KM nor is the seeker on BVR. Just not happening, you know it. I know it. The lord knows it. BVR is set to become even more irrelevant in 5th and 6th Gen warfare. IFF tech is poor just look at how many friendly fire incidents happening in since PGulf War I or even in Ukraine vs Russia war. You aren’t shooting BVRs at long distances in dense contested airspace, the risk is very high you might hit your own guy due to magnitude of reasons.

You need support assets next gen-UCAV or AWACs or ground based radars or other forms of ISR along the airspace in question to find and provide you updated tracking to “catch” a VLO fighter. Or if you are alone you have to get VERY VERY close (ie visual range) somehow. Again Not my words, but words from a study published on air warfare till 2040 based on significant data points, pilot interviews, military engagement protocols .

LASLT, THERE IS HUNDREDS IF NO THOUSANDS OF CASES OF DOCUMENT GROUND BASED INTERCEPTION PERFORMANCE OF AIR DEFENSE SYSTEMS AGAINST PLANES/DRONES/HELICOPTERS SINCE 1990. THIS CAN BE CALCULATED AS FACTUAL WAR TIME DATA.

YOU CAN COUNT ON 1-2 HANDS THE AMOUNT OF BVR ENGAGEMENTS SINCE 1990 AND THE RESULTS ARE SHORT OF EXPECTATIONS BY A LARGE MAGNITUTDE.

THIS IS FACT. I WONT DEBATE THIS. I WONT DEBATE THEORTICAL INTERCPETION OR HIGHLY CONTROLLED WAR GAMES! READ THE STUDIES I POSTED! STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSES MOUTH!


[NOTE: ACTUAL WAR TIME IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WITH HUNDREDS OF UNKNOWN VARIABLES. WE SAW THIS WITH A2A PERFORMANCE IN WVR DROP SIGNIFICANTLY IN VITENAM AND OTHER CONFLICTS COMPARED TO HIGHLY CONTROLLED EXPERIMENTS.]
In April 1994, an air target was successfully hit at a record range of 304 km by a (K-37, RVV-BD) air-to-air. Don’t know how valid this claim is, the launching aircraft probably was a MiG-31x...

An R-37M took down a Ukrainian Sukhoi-27 from a range of 217km.

An F-15C fired an AIM-120 AMRAAM (Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile) at a BQM-167 subscale drone, resulting in the longest known air-to-air missile shot ever. I assume it was an120D-3.

F-14-AIM-54A Phoenix. Longest range shot against a target - 200km.

Thus, regarding the F-14-AIM-54A record above, I posit that the often mentioned ~160km range of AIMD-3 is over 200km.

I make the assumption that the AIM-120D-3 at least, may have been aided by Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC).

Such long-range shots will depend on a myriad of factors, so I assume they were undertaken in ideal conditions.

More realistically, a Hail Mary max range shot to distract enemy pilots in a strike package or, hope for some modicum of success against targets with a massive RCS such as IFR tankers and AEW&C aircraft.

Piet.
 
Fighter/UAV integration on Kosbar:

 
Fighter/UAV integration on Kosbar:

There was news in the past about the interaction between drone and Kowsar combat aircraft which is constantly improving. Iranian engineers have reached a very high level of science. The continuous production of Kowsar which improves with each production line is pure genius. Why take 15 years to manufacture a new plane when you can produce it continuously by continually improving the plane at the lowest possible cost.

Each aircraft produced is used in combat. This is the best strategy to do. They are making the kowsar a very technologically advanced aircraft. It's the best strategy to do, they couldn't do better despite the sanctions. And very soon will present the first kowsar squadron and others will follow with new technology and functionality
 
Fighter/UAV integration on Kosbar:

Does it say which uavs have been integrated?,I`m assuming that they`re either talking about some sort of ability for the crew to control the drone from the cockpit,ie loyal wingman,or perhaps something a lot more basic,ie datalinking from the drones optronics/sensors so the crew can see what the drone is seeing.
I tend to be very dubious as far as the iriaf and its drones are concerned as it was the last adopter of the tech and has the least capable drone force [male class drones] of the iranian military.
 
Does it say which uavs have been integrated?,I`m assuming that they`re either talking about some sort of ability for the crew to control the drone from the cockpit,ie loyal wingman,or perhaps something a lot more basic,ie datalinking from the drones optronics/sensors so the crew can see what the drone is seeing.
I tend to be very dubious as far as the iriaf and its drones are concerned as it was the last adopter of the tech and has the least capable drone force [male class drones] of the iranian military.
they have access to the fastest drones in Iran arsenal (Karrar Drone) and if we are going to build a loyal wing-man thats the only possible one as its the only one that can keep up with the aircraft.
my guess is they are using it to develop the subsystem and integrate them so when a more suitable more maneuverable with lower rcs drone was developed the needed subsystem be ready ti integrate with it ..
 
they have access to the fastest drones in Iran arsenal (Karrar Drone) and if we are going to build a loyal wing-man thats the only possible one as its the only one that can keep up with the aircraft.
my guess is they are using it to develop the subsystem and integrate them so when a more suitable more maneuverable with lower rcs drone was developed the needed subsystem be ready ti integrate with it ..
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IRAN’S AIR POWER ON DISPLAY​

  1. Aviation Features
  2. Iran’s air power on display


By Babak Taghvaee 27th December 2018
FEATURE

Babak Taghvaee provides an overview of this year’s Iranian air show held at Kish Island
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IRGCAF Su-22UM3, serial number 15-2462, performing a manoeuvre on the third day of the show.
Sergey M
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Upgraded IRGCNA Bell 412EP, serial number SN-2201, was officially handed over to the service on the first day of the show, fitted with medical equipment for the medevac and air ambulance role.
Manuch Manteghi
THE INTERNATIONAL airport on the island of Kish in the Persian Gulf was venue to Iran’s latest air show between November 26-29. Drawing 19 participants from the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (IRIAF) and seven from the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Air Force (IRGCAF) some of which were involved in flying displays. Elsewhere at the event the Iranian Aviation Industries Organization unveiled new products, new capabilities, and delivered a Bell 412EP and a Shahed 278 light utility helicopter to the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy Aviation.
Reborn
One big announcement at the show made by IRIAF authorities was work on programmes to form two aerobatic demonstration teams; one operated by the 23rd Tactical Fighter Squadron with F-5E Saeghes, and the second operated by the 81st Tactical Fighter Squadron with F-14 Tomcats.
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One of three IRGCAF EMB-312 Tucano training aircraft involved in the daily aerobatic display.
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The IRIAF’s Industrial Research and Self Suiciency Centre has designed and produced smoke generators using rocket pod canisters for installation on Saeghe and Tomcats for future aerobatic demonstration teams.
Ali Naderi
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Two F-5E Saeghe ighter jets perform a lyby at Kish air show.
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To help realise the programmes, the IRIAF’s Deputy of Industrial Research and Self-Suiciency has designed and produced smoke generators to be installed on F-5E Saeghe centreline pylons, and the pylons carried on station 1A and station 8A of F-14 Tomcats. Examples of the smoke generators involved were on display in the main exhibition hall.
Before Iran’s Islamic Revolution in 1979, the Imperial Iranian Air Force operated an aerobatic demonstration team named the ‘Golden Crown’ equipped with eight F-5Es assigned to the 2nd Tactical Fighter Base. The team was one of the best from Asia but was disbanded by order of the Grand Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini who believed the team represented the Pahlavi dynasty; the ruling house of the imperial state of Iran.
After the death of Khomeini, the IRIAF’s Commander-in-Chief Brigadier General Mansour Sattari ordered the reforming of two teams, one using PC-7s and one using F-5As. However, the plan was cancelled after a PC-7 crashed into the Gavkhuni Wetland near Isfahan in 1991, killing its pilot who was practising aerobatic manoeuvres.
According to the IRIAF’s latest plan, the experience of surviving members of the Golden Crown team will be used to create training publications for use by new display pilots on three types of aircraft; the PC-7, the F-5E Saeghe and the F-14A Tomcat. The PC-7 will be used for a solo display, the F-5E Saeghe for a formation display with five to six aircraft, and the F-14A with two aircraft.
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The highlight of this year’s Kish air show was a flypast of the world’s sole operational KC-747 tanker escorted by three F-4E Phantoms and two F-14A Tomcats on the last two days of the show.
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Two F-5E Saeghes, serial numbers 3-7367 and 3-7368 from the 23rd TFS, of a total of six in service, were deployed to Kish with the sole two-seat F-5F Saeghe II, serial number 3-7182.
The two single-seat Saeghes were both used to perform aerobatic displays during the show. One of two PC-7s, serial numbers 7-9912 and 7-9913, assigned to the 82nd Undergraduate Pilot Training Squadron also performed aerobatic displays at the show; the aircraft deployed from Isfahan.
Kish air show was not all about aerobatic teams and solo displays; before those displays, the IRIAF provided formation flybys featuring Boeing 707-3J9C tanker (KC-707, serial number 5-8304) escorted by three 91st TFS F-4E Phantom IIs and two 81st TFS F-14A Tomcats, After the formation flypast, the fighter aircraft separated from the tanker only to return in two formation flights before returning to the 9th Tactical Fighter Base at Bandar Abbas International; their operating location. Change to the formation flypast was made on the final two days of the show when the KC-707 was swapped for the IRIAF’s sole operational Boeing 747-131F tanker; KC-747, serial number 5-8103.
Displays were not limited to aircraft operated by the IRIAF, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Air Force (IRGCAF) provided Su-22 Fitters and EMB- 312 Tucanos. Three Fitters from Seyyed al-Shohada Air Base in Shiraz, Su-22M4 15-2472, Su- 22UM 15-2460 and Su-22UM3 15-2462 deployed to Bandar Abbas, two of which performed a display each day. Three EMB- 312s, 15-2403, 15-2405 and 15-2415, assigned to the IRGCAF’s Flight Academy at Badr Air Base, Isfahan staged a three-ship formation display.
Defence industry
Iranian defence companies, mostly under the control of the Iranian Aviation Industries Organization (IAIO) and the Iranian Defense Industries Organization (IDIO) displayed at the show in a bid to find domestic customers for their products.
The Iranian Helicopter Support and Renewal Company (IHSRC) displayed Bell 412EP, serial number SN-2201, with a heavily modified cabin for medical evacuation and air ambulance roles to provide emergency medical service for Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy Aviation units and civilians operating from the service’s heliport on Kish Island. The Bell 412EP was unveiled at a ceremony attended by Iranian Minister of Defence, Brigadier General Amir Hatami on November 26, and is the first of five ordered by the IRGCNA.
IHSRC also displayed Mi-171, serial number SN-2103, an IRGCNA machine, fitted with an instrument panel compatible for night operations, which the company upgraded three years ago. In addition, Iranian Navy Aviation ASH-3D Sea King, serial number 8-2313, was also on display featuring a similar instrument panel and a service life extension during its last depot maintenance. Each helicopter was presented to foreign defence delegations including Pakistani officials as cost-effective solutions to upgrade Pakistan Navy SH-3 Sea Kings and Pakistan Army Mi-17 helicopters.
Elsewhere, the Iranian Electronics Industries company from Shiraz displayed its modernised APQ-120 radar used by the IRIAF’s F-4Es. Under the modernisation, radar units receive a new Pulse-Doppler antenna to replace the original antenna, and new more capable electronic boards to replace the older boards, tripling its detection range for sea surface targets, and enabling the aircraft to track large ships within 200km; a significant increase over the original 60km detection range. At least five IRIAF F-4Es have received the modernised radar; more will follow as part of the second phase of Project Dowran underway with the Iranian Aircraft Industries Company in Tehran.
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F-5E Saeghe serial number 3-7368 taxiing to its parking location after a display.
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IRGCAF Y-12II, serial number 15-2245, carried IRGCNA paratroopers for a daily parachute jump display.
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Three 91st Tactical Fighter Squadron F-4E Phantoms, serial numbers 3-6665, 3-6535 and 3-6673 make a stylish break.
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Two of the most important products displayed by the Iranian Aircraft Manufacturing Industries Company were the Mohajer 6 unmanned air vehicle and the Shahed 278 light utility helicopter.
The Mohajer 6 is a military type unmanned air vehicle modified for the civilian market to perform aerial cartography and topography using Danish made Phase One iXU-1000 highresolution cameras.
An Iranian clone of the Bell 206 Jet Ranger but featuring a composite fuselage, the Shahed 278 light utility helicopter on display, was sold to the IRGCNA at the end of the show to be used beside its two other Shahed 278s for pilot training at Bandar Abbas.
Both the IRIAF and the IRGCAF had a stronger presence at this year’s show compared to two years ago with fewer civilian operated aircraft and helicopters on display, showing perhaps, that the organizers have realized that visitors are more interested to see military aircraft rather than civilian ones.
Kish 2018 provided an opportunity for Iranian defence companies to find new middlemen and contractors to help them circumnavigate sanctions and win new customers to sell products for civilian markets such as the Mohajer 6 for aerial cartography.
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Reported to be the first ASH-3D Sea King in service with the Iranian Navy Aviation with an upgraded avionic system for night time operations.
Sergey M
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Mi-171, serial number SN-2103, is equipped with a night time compatible avionic system fitted by the IHSRC and remains the only Hip of the five in service with the IRGCNA in dark grey camouflage.
 
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Formation flyby of two 81st Tactical Fighter Squadron F-14A Tomcats, serial numbers 3-6029 and 3-6052. Aircraft 3-6029 is painted in a colour scheme applied during an overhaul undertaken 23 years ago!
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Originally published in AIR International Magazine​

 

Despite Turkey’s fighter jet having substantial key foreign parts and assistance (engines, largest 3D titanium laser printer in world, etc) it really is disappointing after 25 years playing around with F-5 and the disaster propaganda project that was F-313 we are no where close to an actual domestic fighter jet line.

Even with foreign assistance, this is a big accomplishment to get a fighter jet to maiden flight so quickly. Turkey still has a long journey ahead, but so far they have hit key milestones in their Air Force with their UCAV fighter jet and now this 5th gen fighter.

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Air Force has been the biggest disappointment for Iranian armed services. From drones (non-IRGC) to munitions to fighter/trainer projects
 

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