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[Persian Gulf]

They did waste missiles initially like launching 200 in one go on extremely defended military targets. It seems like they learned very quickly and changed their tactics to

(A) Tit-for-Tat which surprisingly worked massively since same nature of targets were never chosen again by Israelis pointing to establishment of deterrence.
(B) Chose more sensitive targets where you dont need huge volleys but damage was enough to bring enemy to a ceasefire.

In the next war they will need this tactics from the beginning.

Shamkhani said today we will strike Tel Aviv

so IRI learned soft targets are most effective and no point wasting missiles with 100-500m CEP on huge and sparse military bases

 

[Persian Gulf]

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first photo of new Mi-28 helicopters in Iran

can be useful to intercept drones and to hunt terrorists in border regions

 

[Shags101]

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first photo of new Mi-28 helicopters in Iran

can be useful to intercept drones and to hunt terrorists in border regions

is it me or weird thing to be delivered at this time should have been kept out of sight in mountain bases odds are anything new and shiny if war does erupt they will want to destroy but curious these helicopters are coming in im curious if they have delivered anything that can counter an air attack or these are just sent quickly as show of solidarity

 

[Persian Gulf]

is it me or weird thing to be delivered at this time should have been kept out of sight in mountain bases odds are anything new and shiny if war does erupt they will want to destroy but curious these helicopters are coming in im curious if they have delivered anything that can counter an air attack or these are just sent quickly as show of solidarity

they were ordered years ago and now the first images of them in Iran leaked

not much more to it

 

[Immortals]

Shamkhani said today we will strike Tel Aviv

so IRI learned soft targets are most effective and no point wasting missiles with 100-500m CEP on huge and sparse military bases

You won’t win a war by terrorizing cities. Especially Israel that has a bomb shelter on every street. Hitler didn’t the war with V2 rockets that way and Saddam didn’t win the war with Iran using Scuds that way.

We were fed lies by this government that with a few hundred missiles they could eliminate the airbases of the opponent rendering their airforce advantage null and void. The moto “you may take off but you will find nothing to land too” Many here believed that and even I believed suppression of air sorties could occur.

Now we are giving up on that strategy?

If Iran’s cheap missiles were not good enough to breach the shield then they should have been upgraded to the point they were. If the satellite tracking was the problem than an ASAT missile should have been made that could take down that capability or dilute it during existential war.

What the hell were these guys doing for past 25 years? It looks like pocketing much of the defense budget for themselves or blowing it on contracts with friends within the corrupt system. Because the results were inexcusable. Air Defense branch performed worse than Iraq 2003. The missile defense couldn’t keep a high firing rate for long. So where did the money go? where did 25B USD go a year?

Something doesn’t add up. The math is not mathing.

Also keep in mind in missile/rocketry typically 10-40% missiles can fail a launch or en route. And I have a video someone filmed that shows during 12 day war a missile failing shortly after launch.

So you have:
a % that fail on launch/reach the target
a % that get intercepted
a % that miss (>500m CEP)
a % that hit their target within the CEP (<50m)

So you have to ask yourself how many long range missiles does Iran have? If it’s 10,000 then if all 10,000 were fired, how many would actually hit their target? 500? 1000? 2000?

If inventory is 5,000 missiles then there is no point in even doing the calculation because that’s not enough to win a war of attrition.

 

[OldTwilight]

Russia is not giving su35 till all of military that's on Iran are gone

 

[ToddE]

You won’t win a war by terrorizing cities.

Your whole argument is wrong because if we go strike for strike, Israel never touched the critical targets again after receiving response on similar nature target inside its own territory.

Fajr Alam Oil field Vs Bazan oil field
SPND vs Weizmann
SPND vs Gav Yam Negev Park
Tehran vs Beersheba, Soroka, Eshkol etc

Why did not they cripple IRI's oil by targeting Kharg? I mean they tried with Fajr Alam plant so intention was there but after Bazan attack they just did not touch any infrastructure again for next 8 days until ceasefire. Why leave SPND's related HQ spread in North west? Why did Israelis agree to a ceasefire after their population started getting harrased without achieving 0% of their designated goals (half a tonne HEU, missile capability neutralized, regime change, khamenei's assasination etc)

We were fed lies by this government that with a few hundred missiles they could eliminate the airbases of the opponent rendering their airforce advantage null and void. The moto “you may take off but you will find nothing to land too” Many here believed that and even I believed suppression of air sorties could occur.

Now we are giving up on that strategy?

On the contrary, it is better to go for softer targets when you are fighting a war against worlds best layered ABM/AD shields. Commanders have to calculate the % kill chances for every target. Going after massively guarded ABs will waste hundreds of missiles and enemy wont still agree to ceasefire because government is still feeling no pressure from inside to stop the war they started. Rememeber Ceasefire happened only after IRGC started harrassing the civilian population. The initial 200+ missile strong strike should have been towards the same targets like Soroka, Beersheba, Eshkol etc IRGC learnt the trick during the war.

 

[ToddE]

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first photo of new Mi-28 helicopters in Iran

can be useful to intercept drones and to hunt terrorists in border regions

Mi-28 is a waste of money. I see no actual utility except for fighting chimp level stupid insurgent pockets here and there. A UCAV is more useful in that role.

I hope SU-35S does not arrive until this war business is settled. I dont want to see the fleet turned to rubble on ground by ALBMs/SOWs. There is no defence to modern attack weaponry.

 

[Persian Gulf]

You won’t win a war by terrorizing cities. Especially Israel that has a bomb shelter on every street. Hitler didn’t the war with V2 rockets that way and Saddam didn’t win the war with Iran using Scuds that way.

the logic is that Israel is a small advanced country which cannot tolerate major daily strikes on its biggest city every day for too long

I agree they lied about the airbase strategy, or it failed. Qasem Basir might help, if produced in large numbers.

 

[OldTwilight]

the logic is that Israel is a small advanced country which cannot tolerate major daily strikes on its biggest city every day for too long

I agree they lied about the airbase strategy, or it failed. Qasem Basir might help, if produced in large numbers.

without satellite real time observation and guidance we can not use BM for tactical purpose against Zions

 

[BigMela2onin]

Mi-28 is a waste of money. I see no actual utility except for fighting chimp level stupid insurgent pockets here and there. A UCAV is more useful in that role.

If they were useful, Russia would not have agreed to sell them. I am still betting on the Su-30/35s ending up as vaporware or going the S-300 route with deliveries delayed to the 2030s.

 

[Flotilla]

the logic is that Israel is a small advanced country which cannot tolerate major daily strikes on its biggest city every day for too long

I agree they lied about the airbase strategy, or it failed. Qasem Basir might help, if produced in large numbers.

You won’t win a war by terrorizing cities. Especially Israel that has a bomb shelter on every street. Hitler didn’t the war with V2 rockets that way and Saddam didn’t win the war with Iran using Scuds that way.

We were fed lies by this government that with a few hundred missiles they could eliminate the airbases of the opponent rendering their airforce advantage null and void. The moto “you may take off but you will find nothing to land too” Many here believed that and even I believed suppression of air sorties could occur.

Now we are giving up on that strategy?

If Iran’s cheap missiles were not good enough to breach the shield then they should have been upgraded to the point they were. If the satellite tracking was the problem than an ASAT missile should have been made that could take down that capability or dilute it during existential war.

What the hell were these guys doing for past 25 years? It looks like pocketing much of the defense budget for themselves or blowing it on contracts with friends within the corrupt system. Because the results were inexcusable. Air Defense branch performed worse than Iraq 2003. The missile defense couldn’t keep a high firing rate for long. So where did the money go? where did 25B USD go a year?

Something doesn’t add up. The math is not mathing.

Also keep in mind in missile/rocketry typically 10-40% missiles can fail a launch or en route. And I have a video someone filmed that shows during 12 day war a missile failing shortly after launch.

So you have:
a % that fail on launch/reach the target
a % that get intercepted
a % that miss (>500m CEP)
a % that hit their target within the CEP (<50m)

So you have to ask yourself how many long range missiles does Iran have? If it’s 10,000 then if all 10,000 were fired, how many would actually hit their target? 500? 1000? 2000?

If inventory is 5,000 missiles then there is no point in even doing the calculation because that’s not enough to win a war of attrition.

The shelters of the israeli bases are armored beyond usual standards, you will need probably a direct hit with penetrator warhead to damage the inside aircraft.

For damaging land stripes would eventually need dozens of them just to achieve a direct hit over that land strip.

Also if those aircrafts are allowed to la d safely in Jordania or even Egypt/Cyprus means that destroying the entire Air bases consume too much missiles.

Probably IRI reached the conclusion that with less missiles you can hit non armored desired static targets in Big cities.

Finally, did Israel take care about collateral damage?. Let me be clear. If Irán kills some hundreds of israelis in a retaliatory strike probably more than 60% of europeans will celebrate if not more. Not kidding. We are literally no care about It.

Even Macron discarded to consider IRGC a terrorist group.

 

[mulj]

The shelters of the israeli bases are armored beyond usual standards, you will need probably a direct hit with penetrator warhead to damage the inside aircraft.

For damaging land stripes would eventually need dozens of them just to achieve a direct hit over that land strip.

Also if those aircrafts are allowed to la d safely in Jordania or even Egypt/Cyprus means that destroying the entire Air bases consume too much missiles.

Probably IRI reached the conclusion that with less missiles you can hit non armored desired static targets in Big cities.

Finally, did Israel take care about collateral damage?. Let me be clear. If Irán kills some hundreds of israelis in a retaliatory strike probably more than 60% of europeans will celebrate if not more. Not kidding. We are literally no care about It.

Even Macron discarded to consider IRGC a terrorist group.

Well europe will be europe burning the bridges until rude awakening. This kind of licking jews balls will not be recognized as enough by americans who will continue to screw them, meanwhile Iran got another impulse to ditch western world completely for having any relationship with it,

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[shapurzolaktaf]

Well europe will be europe burning the bridges until rude awakening. This kind of licking jews balls will not be recognized as enough by americans who will continue to screw them, meanwhile Iran got another impulse to ditch western world completely for having any relationship with it,

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[Immortals]

Well europe will be europe burning the bridges until rude awakening. This kind of licking jews balls will not be recognized as enough by americans who will continue to screw them, meanwhile Iran got another impulse to ditch western world completely for having any relationship with it,

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You guys are emotional and not thinking this thru.

For how long do you not plan on having significant economic relations with EU/America/Canada/South Korea/Japan/Australia/India?

As I have said time and time again, long term it is not sustainable for Iran this path it is on. Iran is the one in trouble right now, not EU, Not Israel, Not US, not India.

There is no rehabilitating this current governments image with the U.S. or EU at this point. It’s only matter of time before people take to the streets again because surviving in that country is hard due to economic strangulation by the west.

What’s the plan here? Turn into North Korea economically and have zero nukes to show for it?